Unsolved Gerard Ross - Abducted Kent st Rockingham WA 1997

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“..with the children’s parents receiving a call from the rapist on their nanny’s phone warning them not to contact police.”

P.S: It ain’t Stephen Ross. Oh, hang on..
How would the rapist get the nannys phone mobile number to ring the parents on that phone?

How would he know the number?
 

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How would the rapist get the nannys phone mobile number to ring the parents on that phone?

How would he know the number?
I can see why I didnt comprehend that. Surprised police havent busted him at all driving around with the nannys phone.

How did he know who to ring out of the 30 numbers probably in the phone?
Rang everyone.

Pure genius driving around with the police tracking device.

The car is relatively unique with black mag wheels on hyundai. The car last seen Padbury from memory. Maybe borrowed from a family member or friend and did the crime.

Surprised they havent got him. Probably career criminal that knows the ropes.
 
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Must be a common look as it was a pretty good identikit picture and still no one arrested.
Not sure about a common look - fairly unattractive nugget IMO of a violent predatory rapist.

Agree with you regarding a pretty good identikit - you’d think they would mask their appearance somehow in public given this ID.

Hats and glasses perhaps?

Wonder what other physical descriptors were provided?
 

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Not sure about a common look - fairly unattractive nugget IMO of a violent predatory rapist.

Agree with you regarding a pretty good identikit - you’d think they would mask their appearance somehow in public given this ID.

Hats and glasses perhaps?

Wonder what other physical descriptors were provided?
Im going with NFA (no fixed address). Even if police knew who he was they couldnt find him.

The other is, he cant be on any criminal DNA database after raping the German au pair.

The rapist commits a rape and police have not found anything through familial DNA.

There would have been rapist DNA all over the house and the victim.

The rapist drove off with the phone.

No one recognises the identikit?
May not be a Western Australian?

The car was last seen in Padbury. Gob smacked this hasn't been solved.
 
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Why familiar DNA? No clear that they got DNA from the scene. He may have been experienced at not leaving any.

Did the taxi driver give his DNA when all the taxi drivers were compelled to Smarty?
Walk into someone's premises with flowers and commit rape without leaving any DNA, no fingerprints?

Familial DNA database searching flanks the perpertrator so even though he may not be on the criminal database they will find the perpertrator by near match.

For example, my cousin was DNA tested because he was rubbing shoulders with Ciara at the bar in the 20 minutes or so she was in the pub.

DNA is also used to eliminate non suspects.

If I were CSK or any other perp, they would have found a match on the database for existing crimes even though it wasn't the purpose of the search. Even though neither my cousin nor I are on the criminal database or committed felony crimes for that matter.

Its like a pyramid scheme for wankers but not everyone gets to go home.

Its like End of Days where the alien spaceship of justice floats along beaming people up into the flying correctional facility in the sky at random.

You or your cousin dont have to be on the criminal database or you given a sample.

 
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I find the whole dog hairs at the Ross site interesting.
Maybe someone had a dog but it could also be a wild dog or passing.

Maybe police found a genetic dog match from the hair to the owner.

Its a brave new world and Id love to be the RDBM of that dataset.

With the economy of scale in price points for DNA processing, attaching a DNA string to the animals uID microchip means your pussy might dob you in by defacto.

Even if it was not your immediate dog. It could be mummies.

Here puppy puppy!
 
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Even with current data modelling, Google and Facdbook algorithms are getting better by the week of predicting who you are by a dog you own.
With the dog hairs at the Ross site much now and in the future will predict your profile.
Much much more if pooch has been rolling around on your lap or couch or in your car.

Your metadata says more about you than what you say
 

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Who murdered the 12 year old child Gerard, Ross?

Any ideas?

Who can say when it falls.
I haven't read much about the case but I've been to the comic shop as a kid after softball .... I
Who murdered the 12 year old child Gerard, Ross?

Any ideas?

Who can say when it falls.
I don't know who but lived in the area and went to the comic shop as a young fella , used to play softball, on a sat .
I wouldn't mind the info in the file would make a extremely good read....
Never made it to coroner??
 

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Walk into someone's premises with flowers and commit rape without leaving any DNA, no fingerprints?

Familial DNA database searching flanks the perpertrator so even though he may not be on the criminal database they will find the perpertrator by near match.

For example, my cousin was DNA tested because he was rubbing shoulders with Ciara at the bar in the 20 minutes or so she was in the pub.

DNA is also used to eliminate non suspects.

If I were CSK or any other perp, they would have found a match on the database for existing crimes even though it wasn't the purpose of the search. Even though neither my cousin nor I are on the criminal database or committed felony crimes for that matter.

Its like a pyramid scheme for wankers but not everyone gets to go home.

Its like End of Days where the alien spaceship of justice floats along beaming people up into the flying correctional facility in the sky at random.

You or your cousin dont have to be on the criminal database or you given a sample.
The interesting thing with the familial and my cousin donating DNA for touching Ciaras shoulder at the bar inside her 20 minute visit is that under familial testing even though the cousin is not on the criminal database for a felony, entire families are being tested around him.

In that case one test would have checked somewhere in the facility of 12+ males for a match.

Obviously none of them brought a match to any crime.

So police are testing swathes of peripheral families against the criminal database for familial matches to crimes.

How cool is that!
 
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The interesting thing with the familial and my cousin donating DNA for touching Ciaras shoulder at the bar inside her 20 minute visit is that under familial testing even though the cousin is not on the criminal database for a felony, entire families are being tested around him.

In that case one test would have checked somewhere in the facility of 12+ males for a match.

Obviously none of them brought a match to any crime.

So police are testing swathes of peripheral families against the criminal database for familial matches to crimes.

How cool is that!
Nah, they aren't testing your relatives because your cousin's DNA was on Ciara's clothes/body, you're making that up. They already have your cousin's DNA, what purpose would there be in testing his family or "entire families around him"?
 

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Nah, they aren't testing your relatives because your cousin's DNA was on Ciara's clothes/body, you're making that up. They already have your cousin's DNA, what purpose would there be in testing his family or "entire families around him"?
They can run the cousins DNA as familial which is just a partial match.

They took the DNA to eliminate it. I thought had tested everyone.
I hadnt queried him but passing comment we were drunk, he said it was Sarah and the police were going through the video identifying people at the bar.

This time a little more sober he said it was Ciara and police had only tested him because was next to Ciara at the bar.

They can run the familal test DNA against him and know its a near family member.

His wife confirmed men in black had come side gate. I hadnt pry into to it further which is the info was incorrect first time around.

Police took his DNA to eliminate him as a process.

Familial is latin for family I think.
* relating to or occurring in a family or its members.
 
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They can run the cousins DNA as familial which is just a partial match.

They took the DNA to eliminate it. I thought had tested everyone.
I hadnt queried him but passing comment we were drunk, he said it was Sarah and the police were going through the video identifying people at the bar.

This time a little more sober he said it was Ciara and police had only tested him because was next to Ciara at the bar.

They can run the familal test DNA against him and know its a near family member.

His wife confirmed men in black had come side gate. I hadnt pry into to it further which is the info was incorrect first time around.

Police took his DNA to eliminate him as a process.

Familial is latin for family I think.
* relating to or occurring in a family or its members.
They don't 'run the cousin's DNA as familial', it's not how it works.

1. They have the killer's/suspect's DNA.
2. They find someone during testing of suspects or people of interest, or whatever, that's a close but not exact DNA match.
3. If it's a close match to the killer's DNA they then check the DNA of close relatives of that person.

I can't think of any reason they'd be checking relatives of your cousin after testing him unless their DNA is on Ciara's body (seemingly as well as his because he touched her on the night, allegedly). None.
 

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I haven't read much about the case but I've been to the comic shop as a kid after softball .... I


I don't know who but lived in the area and went to the comic shop as a young fella , used to play softball, on a sat .
I wouldn't mind the info in the file would make a extremely good read....
Never made it to coroner??
Interestingly it never has made it to the coroner, despite calls from Daniel Morcome's Dad. Morcome was convinced that a Coroners Inquest would bring all the information out and the best way to finally solve the crime. Cops have always resisted.

After BRE was arrested cops appealed for anyone with information in Gerard's murder to come forward (increased the reward around this time?) and seemed to have fresh interest in this case.
 
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Interestingly it never has made it to the coroner, despite calls from Daniel Morcome's Dad. Morcome was convinced that a Coroners Inquest would bring all the information out and the best way to finally solve the crime. Cops have always resisted.

After BRE was arrested cops appealed for anyone with information in Gerard's murder to come forward (increased the reward around this time?) and seemed to have fresh interest in this case.
What's the chances ? I wonder why it wouldn't go to a coroner ? It's only a lil boy snatched and killed go figure .......
 
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