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I think now we are starting to see the effects of another failed finals campaign. We are a great club and have been a destination club for a few years now, but that can change very quickly and I think it has. One year you're a very attractive destination, but the next, no one wants a bar of you. Another two finals floggings, continued allegations of Scott being a poor people person and communicator (I have no idea how true this is) and the fact that Sel, Taylor, Hawk etc are getting older - I think prospective recruits are starting to look at us in a different light. It was bound to happen at some point. I do think we will bring some players in, just not the players we were hoping to.
 

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I think now we are starting to see the effects of another failed finals campaign. We are a great club and have been a destination club for a few years now, but that can change very quickly and I think it has. One year you're a very attractive destination, but the next, no one wants a bar of you. Another two finals floggings, continued allegations of Scott being a poor people person and communicator (I have no idea how true this is) and the fact that Sel, Taylor, Hawk etc are getting older - I think prospective recruits are starting to look at us in a different light. It was bound to happen at some point. I do think we will bring some players in, just not the players we were hoping to.
Then how do you explain Essendon being a "destination" club after they got smashed in their only final and we then comfortably beat their opponent?
 
I suppose my retort to that would be that if we were to top up with B or C grade talent, rather than the likes of Dangerfield, Henderson and Tuohy, then we are destined to be a mid table team. Whilst there is risk associated with drafting young kids there is also benefits:

1. You can develop a group of youngsters together such that they feel a bond together over time and have a common goal to achieve.

2. If you can get a group of talented kids together over a 2-3 year period then by the time they reach 50-100 games they all come through together in maturity giving you a strong list at this point of time i.e. our 1999 and 2001 drafts with Corey, Enright, Ling, Bartel, Kelly, SJ, G.Ablett

3. If we can get a strong group of kids over that aforementioned 2-3 year period then you can top up with any gaps via trade rather than doing it the other way round. That seems logically to be a better method to me.

Anyway, only my thoughts. I can understand why the club topped up in recent years. I'd be all for continuing it IF we were to land a couple of big fish like Stringer. But, if we can't, and at the same time lose talented guys like Motlop and Menzel, then I really think we only have one way to go.

Hasn't the last two Premiership shown that team chemistry rather than outright playing talent is what gets team to the podium in this era of Stalingrad football. Once that symbiosis has developed you then top it off with one or two players..like we did with Otto.
 
I think now we are starting to see the effects of another failed finals campaign. We are a great club and have been a destination club for a few years now, but that can change very quickly and I think it has. One year you're a very attractive destination, but the next, no one wants a bar of you. Another two finals floggings, continued allegations of Scott being a poor people person and communicator (I have no idea how true this is) and the fact that Sel, Taylor, Hawk etc are getting older - I think prospective recruits are starting to look at us in a different light. It was bound to happen at some point. I do think we will bring some players in, just not the players we were hoping to.

Some things have fallen into place for Essendon this off season so far. Especially regarding Saad, who seems like it's family and location that have driven his choice in Essendon.

Stringer, as far as i can tell, hasnt actually publicly announed a preferred destination, with just the media speculating at the moment. And we seemed to cool on Smith to the point that we havent even been mentioned as a potential club he could have landed at in the sports news tonight.

Destination club is a nebulous term, given how payers move now any club could be considered a destination at one point or another. I think it's telling that we have been linked with most players who are moving that we could be a destination, atleast early on in the speculation. Clearly players consider us as a potential option now, which is exactly where we want to be. Not that we need to get every player that comes out of contract.
 
Then how do you explain Essendon being a "destination" club after they got smashed in their only final and we then comfortably beat their opponent?

I never said they were a destination club. Clearly they offered more money and some would say they have a younger list and appear to be on the way up. We can't really judge them on one finals series anyway. Geelong on the other hand, we have won 3 out of 11 finals since 2011. Continually flopped in the last 5 finals series. Some would view us as just treading water and likely to fall off a cliff in the next year or two when age catches up with more guys. Not sure if I was an in demand player that I'd be picking Geelong at this time given where we are at. In 3-4 years we may be very attractive again.
 
I mentioned the kid coming off two knee injuries the other day....

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-05/bonar-turning-heads-with-stunning-combine-results

AIDEN Bonar has underlined his elite athleticism on day three of the NAB AFL Draft Combine, with the talented prospect equaling the all-time standing vertical jump record.

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Aiden Bonar in action during day two of the Combine


The Dandenong Stingrays forward, who returned to the field in the middle of this season after two knee reconstructions, jumped 89cm in the test, drawing him level with Jordan Gallucci from last year's combine (Gallucci was drafted by Adelaide at pick No.15 last year).

But Bonar's impressive efforts didn't stop there. He also recorded a 2.90-second 20-metre sprint, placing him equal second in the speed test.

The 18-year-old looms as one of the most interesting prospects to place ahead of next month's NAB AFL Draft on the back of his injury history, but he is strong, powerful and explosive, and has remained in clubs' thoughts during his time on the sidelines.

Some recruiters see him pushing into the top-25 despite his limited exposure because of his knee issues.

Bonar was beaten to the top of the list in the 20-metre sprint by Northern Knights speedster Jack Petruccelle, who ran at 2.87 seconds to highlight is electric turn of pace.

Petruccelle entered the event as the clear favourite and ran 2.88, 2.87 and 2.87 in his three attempts. Kane Farrell impressed at 2.90 seconds, while Ben Miller and Nick Coffield, who both ran at 2.91, were also among the best performers.

Bonar wasn't the only prospect to etch his name into Combine history on Thursday, with Kyron Hayden setting a new record for the running vertical jump after leaping 103cm.

His huge spring saw him overtake the record of 102cm previously held by Nic Naitanui (at the 2008 combine) and Jared Brennan (in 2002).

The excellent testing result came as something of a surprise from the West Australian midfielder, who stands at only 185cm.

He beat out Farrell and high-marking South Australian forward Jordan Houlahan, who both jumped 95cm, and ruckman/forward Hayden McLean (who jumped 92cm).

Farrell, a neat-kicking left footer from the Bendigo Pioneers, and Miller, a tall forward from Western Australia, shared the honours in the agility test by running 8.10 seconds.

Another Bendigo pocket rocket Brent Daniels performed well with his sharp movement to run the agility test over 8.11 seconds.
Great combine results, but I'm not convinced he's a natural footballer, he's probably stronger at athletics than footy. I mean, I could be wrong.

If I was a recruiter, I would probably focus a bit more on the kids in the draft that are consistent footballers and are usually in the Best (votes) most weeks. To me, this shows that they are natural reader's of the play. I think the Combine is good for just proving that certain players are not too slow, have some agility, stamina, perhaps the kicking and hands tests should be more viewed for their action rather than their results so much. I think some recruiters might get over-awed with these Combine results, they are good to a certain degree, but should be used for validation only after you have spotted a talent consistently performing on the park. Just my two cents.
 
Some things have fallen into place for Essendon this off season so far. Especially regarding Saad, who seems like it's family and location that have driven his choice in Essendon.

Stringer, as far as i can tell, hasnt actually publicly announed a preferred destination, with just the media speculating at the moment. And we seemed to cool on Smith to the point that we havent even been mentioned as a potential club he could have landed at in the sports news tonight.

Destination club is a nebulous term, given how payers move now any club could be considered a destination at one point or another. I think it's telling that we have been linked with most players who are moving that we could be a destination, atleast early on in the speculation. Clearly players consider us as a potential option now, which is exactly where we want to be. Not that we need to get every player that comes out of contract.

Yeah that's all very true. We have had similar luck with Danger and Hendo coming to us purely because of our geographical location. Scooter came because his brother is our captain. Smith came for opportunity. But we can't deny these finals failures will hurt our reputation and prevent us from landing players we may have got had we been more competitive when it mattered. Players move for money, but they also move to play in successful teams that are closing in on winning a flag..
 

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I mentioned the kid coming off two knee injuries the other day....

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-05/bonar-turning-heads-with-stunning-combine-results

AIDEN Bonar has underlined his elite athleticism on day three of the NAB AFL Draft Combine, with the talented prospect equaling the all-time standing vertical jump record.

558925-tlsnewsportrait.jpg

Aiden Bonar in action during day two of the Combine


The Dandenong Stingrays forward, who returned to the field in the middle of this season after two knee reconstructions, jumped 89cm in the test, drawing him level with Jordan Gallucci from last year's combine (Gallucci was drafted by Adelaide at pick No.15 last year).

But Bonar's impressive efforts didn't stop there. He also recorded a 2.90-second 20-metre sprint, placing him equal second in the speed test.

The 18-year-old looms as one of the most interesting prospects to place ahead of next month's NAB AFL Draft on the back of his injury history, but he is strong, powerful and explosive, and has remained in clubs' thoughts during his time on the sidelines.

Some recruiters see him pushing into the top-25 despite his limited exposure because of his knee issues.

Bonar was beaten to the top of the list in the 20-metre sprint by Northern Knights speedster Jack Petruccelle, who ran at 2.87 seconds to highlight is electric turn of pace.

Petruccelle entered the event as the clear favourite and ran 2.88, 2.87 and 2.87 in his three attempts. Kane Farrell impressed at 2.90 seconds, while Ben Miller and Nick Coffield, who both ran at 2.91, were also among the best performers.

Bonar wasn't the only prospect to etch his name into Combine history on Thursday, with Kyron Hayden setting a new record for the running vertical jump after leaping 103cm.

His huge spring saw him overtake the record of 102cm previously held by Nic Naitanui (at the 2008 combine) and Jared Brennan (in 2002).

The excellent testing result came as something of a surprise from the West Australian midfielder, who stands at only 185cm.

He beat out Farrell and high-marking South Australian forward Jordan Houlahan, who both jumped 95cm, and ruckman/forward Hayden McLean (who jumped 92cm).

Farrell, a neat-kicking left footer from the Bendigo Pioneers, and Miller, a tall forward from Western Australia, shared the honours in the agility test by running 8.10 seconds.

Another Bendigo pocket rocket Brent Daniels performed well with his sharp movement to run the agility test over 8.11 seconds.


Id recruit for the surname alone
 
Great combine results, but I'm not convinced he's a natural footballer, he's probably stronger at athletics than footy. I mean, I could be wrong.

If I was a recruiter, I would probably focus a bit more on the kids in the draft that are consistent footballers and are usually in the Best (votes) most weeks. To me, this shows that they are natural reader's of the play. I think the Combine is good for just proving that certain players are not too slow, have some agility, stamina, perhaps the kicking and hands tests should be more viewed for their action rather than their results so much. I think some recruiters might get over-awed with these Combine results, they are good to a certain degree, but should be used for validation only after you have spotted a talent consistently performing on the park. Just my two cents.

Im not advocating him for us...just that he was in some way a bit like NC5
 
Standout performers
Smartspeed 20-metre sprint
Jack Petruccelle 2.87 seconds
Kane Farrell 2.90
Aiden Bonar 2.90
Ben Miller 2.91
Nick Coffield 2.91
Ben Paton 2.95
Brent Daniels 2.95
Stefan Okunbar 2.95
Jaidyn Stephenson 2.95
Nicholas Shipley 2.97

Smartspeed agility test
Kane Farrell 8.10 seconds
Ben Miller 8.10
Brent Daniels 8.11
Trent Mynott 8.20
Nathan Kreuger 8.21
Aaron Naughton 8.22
Mitchell Podhajski 8.26
Oscar Allen 8.27
Stefan Okunbar 8.29
Matthew Ling 8.30
Callan England 8.30
Aiden Bonar 8.30
Andrew Brayshaw 8.30

Standing vertical jump
Aiden Bonar 89cm
Kyron Hayden 82cm
Ben Paton 80cm
Harrison Jones 79cm
Jordan Houlahan 77cm
Jordan Johnston 75cm
Jack Petruccelle 74cm
Noah Balta 74cm
Adam Sambono 73cm
Hayden McLean 73cm

Running vertical jump
Kyron Hayden 103cm
Kane Farrell 95cm
Jordan Houlahan 95cm
Hayden McLean 92cm
Noah Balta 89cm
Harrison Jones 88cm
Oscar Allen 88cm
Tom McCartin 88cm
Matthew Day 87cm
Nathan Kreuger 87cm
 

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Trade week hasn't even started yet and our own people are calling us a sinking ship.

Lighten up people, our list is primed for a flag.

What we do this offseason is obviously critical, but we aren't bottoming out because we'll probably lose Motlop.

Menzel and Mots are very, very good players but their respective deficiencies are as much a reason why we can't get over the final hurdle into the GF.

I'd like to keep both but if we lose them and add Gary "arguably the GOAT" freaking Ablett jnr. we are actually a better side than we were this season.

Half the board want to keep Menzel and Mots and the other half want games into Thurlow, Lang, Parsons, Buzza, Guthrie etc and remarkably half of them are the same posters!

We can't have both!!!

Stringer
Ablett
Watts
Impey

I would take any or all of these players.

Every single one would add to our team.
 
Standout performers
Smartspeed 20-metre sprint
Jack Petruccelle 2.87 seconds
Kane Farrell 2.90
Aiden Bonar 2.90
Ben Miller 2.91
Nick Coffield 2.91
Ben Paton 2.95
Brent Daniels 2.95
Stefan Okunbar 2.95
Jaidyn Stephenson 2.95
Nicholas Shipley 2.97

Smartspeed agility test
Kane Farrell 8.10 seconds
Ben Miller 8.10
Brent Daniels 8.11
Trent Mynott 8.20
Nathan Kreuger 8.21
Aaron Naughton 8.22
Mitchell Podhajski 8.26
Oscar Allen 8.27
Stefan Okunbar 8.29
Matthew Ling 8.30
Callan England 8.30
Aiden Bonar 8.30
Andrew Brayshaw 8.30

Standing vertical jump
Aiden Bonar 89cm
Kyron Hayden 82cm
Ben Paton 80cm
Harrison Jones 79cm
Jordan Houlahan 77cm
Jordan Johnston 75cm
Jack Petruccelle 74cm
Noah Balta 74cm
Adam Sambono 73cm
Hayden McLean 73cm

Running vertical jump
Kyron Hayden 103cm
Kane Farrell 95cm
Jordan Houlahan 95cm
Hayden McLean 92cm
Noah Balta 89cm
Harrison Jones 88cm
Oscar Allen 88cm
Tom McCartin 88cm
Matthew Day 87cm
Nathan Kreuger 87cm
Thanks!
 
Standout performers
Smartspeed 20-metre sprint
Jack Petruccelle 2.87 seconds
Kane Farrell 2.90
Aiden Bonar 2.90
Ben Miller 2.91
Nick Coffield 2.91
Ben Paton 2.95
Brent Daniels 2.95
Stefan Okunbar 2.95
Jaidyn Stephenson 2.95
Nicholas Shipley 2.97

Smartspeed agility test
Kane Farrell 8.10 seconds
Ben Miller 8.10
Brent Daniels 8.11
Trent Mynott 8.20
Nathan Kreuger 8.21
Aaron Naughton 8.22
Mitchell Podhajski 8.26
Oscar Allen 8.27
Stefan Okunbar 8.29
Matthew Ling 8.30
Callan England 8.30
Aiden Bonar 8.30
Andrew Brayshaw 8.30

Standing vertical jump
Aiden Bonar 89cm
Kyron Hayden 82cm
Ben Paton 80cm
Harrison Jones 79cm
Jordan Houlahan 77cm
Jordan Johnston 75cm
Jack Petruccelle 74cm
Noah Balta 74cm
Adam Sambono 73cm
Hayden McLean 73cm

Running vertical jump
Kyron Hayden 103cm
Kane Farrell 95cm
Jordan Houlahan 95cm
Hayden McLean 92cm
Noah Balta 89cm
Harrison Jones 88cm
Oscar Allen 88cm
Tom McCartin 88cm
Matthew Day 87cm
Nathan Kreuger 87cm

Can Kane Farrell play footy?
 
Yeah that's all very true. We have had similar luck with Danger and Hendo coming to us purely because of our geographical location. Scooter came because his brother is our captain. Smith came for opportunity. But we can't deny these finals failures will hurt our reputation and prevent us from landing players we may have got had we been more competitive when it mattered. Players move for money, but they also move to play in successful teams that are closing in on winning a flag..

And Richmond finished 13th last year before acquiring Prestia, Caddy and Nankervis, none of which were that committed to going to Richmond initially. Money and opportunity have a big say on where a player moves, especially if they are open to moving to multiple clubs. A clubs chances at potential success is a much harder thing to gauge. If you're looking at success as a measure of which club you should go to. Then only clubs that make the Prelim/Grand Final would be considered, as youd think those clubs have a much greater chance of success than a club that finished 13th the year before. Or put another way, im sure Deledio thought he was giving himself a much better chance at a flag moving to GWS than staying at Richmond another year.
 
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