Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt2

[cats_09]

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[Pure_Ownage]

Huge coin in front of Mr sports bet .

Hes already on 600 with the pies til 2023 they are just smoothing out the $.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Do you think the recently retired player we were after that was mentioned on here the last couple of weeks could have been Frawley ? Would make sense as Harry has retired and Wellsy did say today he would like another tall back.

Maybe i was hoping Rance tbh. We do need another key back and a decent ruck.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Hes already on 600 with the pies til 2023 they are just smoothing out the $.

Pies are paying overs .
Sucked in after hes breakout debut season.

 

[calder_daddy]

Hopefully we nail our first draft section or sections .
On ward and upward.

Not easy to nail pick 51

 

[rocker_oz33]

Not easy to nail pick 51

No pressure then.. .

 

[Del28562]

22 year old for a 33 year old. Fogarty’s best years are ahead whereas Higgins are behind. It’s a one year shot at a cup deal. We have given up on developing young players. Cup or disaster- no excuses!

I'm not sure of the decisions, are these additions going to propel us above Richmond? I say no, so why are we selling the farm for? We could have had 4-5 picks in the top 30 in the draft.
Higgins, smith, Selwood, henderson, Tuohy, possibly Rohan will retire after next year, yet we get rid of Fogarty and cocky just getting into their prime.

We have 13 guys over 30, to win a flag history shows your core group is 23-26 years old, not 30+. Who do we have in the 23-26 age bracket that are a graders?

 

[catempire]

“Selling the farm”!

*drink*

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Scott & Paddy have 2 years to finally get "their" cup. Obviously can't develop young talent. 2 years and we are the crows and kangaroos.

Scott has 3 of them already

 

[Del28562]

“Selling the farm”!

*drink*

Correct me if I'm wrong but we will only have 3 players aged between 23-26 on our list next year, if we keep narkle

 

[God Mode]

I'm not sure of the decisions, are these additions going to propel us above Richmond? I say no, so why are we selling the farm for? We could have had 4-5 picks in the top 30 in the draft.
Higgins, smith, Selwood, henderson, Tuohy, possibly Rohan will retire after next year, yet we get rid of Fogarty and cocky just getting into their prime.

We have 13 guys over 30, to win a flag history shows your core group is 23-26 years old, not 30+. Who do we have in the 23-26 age bracket that are a graders?

You're saying that adding 3 high quality players, all filling key areas of weakness and including a top 3 KPF isn't enough to propel the 2nd placed team to a flag? Righto. Didn't Richmond add 3 players that took them from 13th to a flag?

 

[cats_09]

I'm not sure of the decisions, are these additions going to propel us above Richmond? I say no, so why are we selling the farm for? We could have had 4-5 picks in the top 30 in the draft.
Higgins, smith, Selwood, henderson, Tuohy, possibly Rohan will retire after next year, yet we get rid of Fogarty and cocky just getting into their prime.

We have 13 guys over 30, to win a flag history shows your core group is 23-26 years old, not 30+. Who do we have in the 23-26 age bracket that are a graders?

Didn't Higgins & Smith sign multi-year deals to join Geelong, while Tuohy signed a 2-year contract extension - so those 3 won't be retiring after next year

Henderson looks to finally be getting a good run at things, so now we wait to see how long his contract extension will be. Selwood is most likely of that lot to retire next year, and question marks over the future of Rohan, that may be dependent on others

Cockatoo has played 2 senior games since 2017 - would like to actually see what he has to offer rather than speculating what he may bring, and if he's genuinely entering his prime or will he be adding to his retirement fund?

As for Fogarty, I would have liked to keep him but he's down the pecking order - he's best position is in the guts & the thick of things. It's unlikely that next year he's pushing out Parfitt, Guthrie, Selwood, Dangerfield (when he's in the middle) & probably also Duncan since Smith's likely taking a spot on the wing in front of him. There'd be a spot for him in a year or 2 after the retirement of Selwood & if Dangerfield starts playing more of a forward role than midfield, but with Fogarty out of contract next year, we get better value in a trade for him this year than next year when he's out of contract & potentially requesting a trade anyway

Then look at the next gen on the list - Constable will be pushing for an inside mid role, as well Stephens, and if Narkle re-signs then he's another one going for that role

We actually have a good number of young guys coming through who will be pushing for inside mid roles - so while losing Fogarty sucks, he gave us trade currency to get another deal done, and it's not like it's leaving us short for that type of player

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

We have to take a minimum of 3 picks at the draft. If as expected a couple of picks go to the giants tomorrow we’ll be left with 1 early pick and late picks.
In that scenario what do people think we might do with those picks? Look at more mature players from state league or who have come off a list? Upgrade a rookie?
I know our list spots are tight but we’ll still need to make some selections. And with the draft this year those really late picks would be huge gambles.
Maybe Browlness or Hendo come onto the main list.

 

[cats_09]

Correct me if I'm wrong but we will only have 3 players aged between 23-26 on our list next year, if we keep narkle

Do you mean the start of the season or at any stage of the season?

Because Henry, Close, Ratugolea, Simpson & Parfitt will all turn 23 during next season, as will Okunbor, Zach Guthrie & Narkle

 

[Turbocat]

You're saying that adding 3 high quality players, all filling key areas of weakness and including a top 3 KPF isn't enough to propel the 2nd placed team to a flag? Righto. Didn't Richmond add 3 players that took them from 13th to a flag?

Thats right Im not sure it will.

I will wait to see how it all comes together. Most would say our weakest link is ruck..we have not altered that. We have a questionable backline till we see how it works without Harry. When we let Rich get 22 points in front and we then cream them by 30 to 40 points ..i will get excited and more hopeful.

 

[cats_09]

We have to take a minimum of 3 picks at the draft. If as expected a couple of picks go to the giants tomorrow we’ll be left with 1 early pick and late picks.
In that scenario what do people think we might do with those picks? Look at more mature players from state league or who have come off a list? Upgrade a rookie?
I know our list spots are tight but we’ll still need to make some selections. And with the draft this year those really late picks would be huge gambles.
Maybe Browlness or Hendo come onto the main list.

I believe there's been some discussion that the 3 picks requirement for the ND may not apply this year, and could depend on list size numbers etc

Used to be able to upgrade a rookie with a late pick & have that count towards the selections - we've committed ourselves to retaining Close and now waiting to see what's happening with the rookie list. So worse happens we could always upgrade Close with a late pick if needed

 

[cats_09]

 

[rocker_oz33]

Contracts mean very little these days .

 

[Del28562]

You're saying that adding 3 high quality players, all filling key areas of weakness and including a top 3 KPF isn't enough to propel the 2nd placed team to a flag? Righto. Didn't Richmond add 3 players that took them from 13th to a flag?

We haven't got Cameron yet? And no I don't think those three will propel us to beat Richmond. You would think that Brisbane will improve again, tigers to stay the same, port to improve again.

My thoughts with higgins, will he play mainly on ball, and danger up fwd? Smith played about half a year this year, why bring him in?

If we keep narkle, we will only have 3 players in the 23-26 age gap, that's the key age bracket to have your core players, that will give you a 5 year run at the top.
Look at 2007 for example, list of 23-26 year Olds Ablett, Bartel, Kelly, hunt, Johnson, Chapman, ling, Enright, Corey, stokes, rhooke, brynes, Mackie that's the majority of the side.

 

[God Mode]

Thats right Im not sure it will.

I will wait to see how it all comes together. Most would say our weakest link is ruck..we have not altered that. We have a questionable backline till we see how it works without Harry. When we let Rich get 22 points in front and we then cream them by 30 to 40 points ..i will get excited and more hopeful.

I think we'll be right. We are moving our pieces into place. You don't simply add the players we are and not get better. Assuming no drop off in our key players from 2020.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

I believe there's been some discussion that the 3 picks requirement for the ND may not apply this year, and could depend on list size numbers etc

Used to be able to upgrade a rookie with a late pick & have that count towards the selections - we've committed ourselves to retaining Close and now waiting to see what's happening with the rookie list. So worse happens we could always upgrade Close with a late pick if needed

I believe you still need 3 picks that was confirmed at the start of trade period. But I guess it could change with negotiations around list sizes and cap space.

 

[God Mode]

We haven't got Cameron yet? And no I don't think those three will propel us to beat Richmond. You would think that Brisbane will improve again, tigers to stay the same, port to improve again.

My thoughts with higgins, will he play mainly on ball, and danger up fwd? Smith played about half a year this year, why bring him in?

If we keep narkle, we will only have 3 players in the 23-26 age gap, that's the key age bracket to have your core players, that will give you a 5 year run at the top.
Look at 2007 for example, list of 23-26 year Olds Ablett, Bartel, Kelly, hunt, Johnson, Chapman, ling, Enright, Corey, stokes, rhooke, brynes, Mackie that's the majority of the side.

I'm speaking under the assumption we get Cameron and that all 3 play good footy. Higgins with his elite disposal should play at half foward id have thought. Adding Smith allows Miers to move back into the fwd line predominantly. It also allows us to have less reliance on Rohan, if he can be our 5th best fwd that'd be great.

Look at how often the last couple of years we have lamented about not putting scores on the board when we have the run of play. It's because our fwd line outside of Hawkins is largely unreliable. This goes a long way to rectifying that.

 

[JohnZ]

Contracts mean very little these days .

Hence why the players need free agency and sooner, as well as 4 year contracts from the draft. Clubs have a lot of power over players atm.

Coaches only get a 6 month payout no matter how long the contract, so what's the point in signing for more than a year at a time?

 

[Turbocat]

I think we'll be right. We are moving our pieces into place. You don't simply add the players we are and not get better. Assuming no drop off in our key players from 2020.

Granted. But its not a fantasy side... part of the reason I felt we were better this year ..was there was hardly any disruptive inclusion. It will take time and games etc for it sync... and against the bets clubs its this lack of playing to gether that seems to show up. If Steven plays in 2021 I'd expect him to be better ..at time this year he looked like he was constantly trying too hard.
It only takes something unexpected and the whole thing turns to sand... so I will wait before I say we will be better. I will say we better be better or we have sold our future cheap.

 

[calder_daddy]

Just checked what picks we actually have for this years draft

13, 15, 20, 51, 96

At this point we might not even need to go

 

[Turbocat]

We have to take a minimum of 3 picks at the draft. If as expected a couple of picks go to the giants tomorrow we’ll be left with 1 early pick and late picks.
In that scenario what do people think we might do with those picks? Look at more mature players from state league or who have come off a list? Upgrade a rookie?
I know our list spots are tight but we’ll still need to make some selections. And with the draft this year those really late picks would be huge gambles.
Maybe Browlness or Hendo come onto the main list.

Its possible the afl set aside that requirement this year due to the compelled list reductions.