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Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists
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There is always a significant benefit getting into the top10..as always one would have to gauge a cost benefit.
He has lost value. bottom of the market?
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But if you don't know who should be in that top ten your picks are not actually top ten. Had we run the juniors as normal this year we would have maybe 50% different names in that top 10. I think it's probably accurate to say that outside of the first maybe 5 picks their next 30 picks would have a very flat value curve
Bar an odd exception the clubs know already who they like. Just like when we drafted Selwood off a non playing year.. they put so much time into them so they can assess futures. Geelong would not have trade they way they did unless they felt they understood the type of talent they would be able to access... Wells talked about it recently..
I agree some players do balloon in top age year, but I would say atm SW would have a substantial dossier on the projected players for this year draft because they start watching them several years out. Could they discern the difference between 10 and 20 ..perhaps that's more difficult when there are so many NGA's which complicate it.
My preference would be to perhaps look at moving a player and pick to get further up the draft..but I do not think they will do that based on recent years.
In draft its much easier to trade picks to move as one can see a player that you rate that has been missed..as we did to get Tahenny.
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This year’s under-18 national carnival could be cancelled, which would leave some players unable to push their cases to be drafted in November.
Wells said all clubs would like to see draft prospects in action again this year, but added none would be disadvantaged if the draft went ahead as planned because they are all working off the same information.
Wells also noted last year’s future pick trading had been done with an eye to this year’s draft, and the plans of many clubs would be thrown out of whack if the draft did not go ahead.
Geelong boast three first-round selections in 2020, including their own first- round pick, Gold Coast’s AFL assistance package pick (No.11) and a first-round pick tied to West Coast’s finishing position.
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Looks like they are now saying they expect some junior games in the 3rd quarter. So there should be at least some games to get a closer look at potential draft picks. Better than going in blind with no games in their senior year to judge them on.
something this year is better than nothing this year.
Pel thinks the afl should go to an active and inactive system. be very different...
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The plan involves each club having an active list of 35 players, who are eligible to play AFL in any given week, as well as an inactive list of 10, who can play in the club's secondary team.
Clubs would have unlimited opportunities to move players between their active to inactive lists.
Any player on an inactive list could be poached by a rival club during the home-and-away season, if that player was willing to leave and if the rival club put them on their active list.
There would be a limit on how many times a club could secure a player from an opposition side's inactive list.
"You can upgrade or downgrade a player at any time but if you are downgraded you can move to another club who can pick you up as a free agent," Pelchen said.
"If you want to protect a player who is injured you have to keep him on your active list."
A key plank would see clubs provided with one chance each season to bring a player – who has been overlooked in two or more drafts – from outside the AFL system.
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The plan involves each club having an active list of 35 players, who are eligible to play AFL in any given week, as well as an inactive list of 10, who can play in the club's secondary team.
Clubs would have unlimited opportunities to move players between their active to inactive lists.
Any player on an inactive list could be poached by a rival club during the home-and-away season, if that player was willing to leave and if the rival club put them on their active list.
There would be a limit on how many times a club could secure a player from an opposition side's inactive list.
"You can upgrade or downgrade a player at any time but if you are downgraded you can move to another club who can pick you up as a free agent," Pelchen said.
"If you want to protect a player who is injured you have to keep him on your active list."
A key plank would see clubs provided with one chance each season to bring a player – who has been overlooked in two or more drafts – from outside the AFL system.
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It looks like there will be games later in the year , perhaps some sort of champs series very late perhaps the draft in dec.
The concept of no draft, no football being good for the 18yo's .. is not something I had thought about before. Would some players present as better or worse than they would coming off a normal season is one discussion ..but to have players better by not playing is another. It sounds superficially ludicrous but then look at players like Joel Selwood who could not play in his top age year. Perhaps you have a point. If it was so , then do we have to then have to accept that far less football should be played each year. Perhaps in a way this feeds into the idea of making the NAB league an u19 comp. One could put limits on younger players.
If nothing else this year will supply fodder to feed the data cattle that live on the afl numbers. Id imagine we will be talking about the affect on players for years to come. Hoe many get picked who should not have and who missed out on getting picked (as happens each year) but this year it will be the corona conundrum , how much was because of not playing a normal season.
What I have a great fear about is the reduction in list sizes having an affect on players who are not ready to play... even harder to pick young rucks for eg.
The club would have an idea..seems they liked his stuff..
Shutdown period a blessing in disguise for gun draft prospect
Geelong Falcons prospect Tanner Bruhn is hopeful is run of bad injury luck is over
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I am no expert on the human body, but I do think that excessive weight training for example at a young age could stunt some growth. So playing a lot in cold conditions, with lots of weight activity at a younger age may not be the optimal path for more resilient bodies for later in their careers. Then again I am not an expert in sports science. I know some kids are playing excessive amounts of sports at young ages, and perhaps delaying some weight training and reducing playing activity maybe beneficial longer term for body resilience, but who knows.... I don't for sure.
Fair point. Balancing long term to getting drafted may be difficult. One only has to read that Bruhn article to see how much they push when not fit ,let alone fit and in the gym. Perhaps players having a less fanatical attitude when young like TomStewart inadvertently has allowed his body to mature, and now he benefits from that, balance that to how many never even get a chance and wear their bodies out playing for the local mud kickers.
The club aren't the only 1's to have seen this young man. A few articles rating him as a potential top 10 pick b4 the COVID delay.The club would have an idea..seems they liked his stuff..
Shutdown period a blessing in disguise for gun draft prospect
Geelong Falcons prospect Tanner Bruhn is hopeful is run of bad injury luck is over
Who here has actually watched him play.?
G'day guys, just curious if there would be any interest in Rhys Mathieson here? Not considering a trade, same situation as occurred with Jarryd Lyon, delisted with a year remaining on his contract, as he had a deal in principal with another club.
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With reduced lists coming i’d say zero.
What about L Fogarty 3rd year still not right to play always injured is he under pressure to keep his spot?
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If they reduce spots ..would have to be
Gold Coast may have a lot of players to remove from their list, perhaps 16 , if list drop to 35. I doubt they will do that by just dropping their bottom 16 players... they may have to package players to clubs willing to take multiples. List management in the next 12/24 months will require astute dexterity.
Of course the AFL may give them an exemption. They will have issues with aflpa.
The difficulty may be all clubs will have to remove a number of players. Common sense would be to do the reduction over time but just how dire will some clubs situation be. Reported that Geelong who was on the verge of being debt free will come out of covid19 10M in debt. I have to wonder about some clubs who were in a worse situation than we were.
The Gold Coast Suns would be forced to off-load 16 players if AFL list sizes were stripped back to 35.
Footy’s $250 million disaster club has a league-high 51 players on its list as a result of emergency concessions awarded by the AFL commission last year.
Clubs are bracing for an order to cull their lists from about 45 to 35 in 2021 in a bid to save costs.
Of course the AFL may give them an exemption. They will have issues with aflpa.
The difficulty may be all clubs will have to remove a number of players. Common sense would be to do the reduction over time but just how dire will some clubs situation be. Reported that Geelong who was on the verge of being debt free will come out of covid19 10M in debt. I have to wonder about some clubs who were in a worse situation than we were.
The Gold Coast Suns would be forced to off-load 16 players if AFL list sizes were stripped back to 35.
Footy’s $250 million disaster club has a league-high 51 players on its list as a result of emergency concessions awarded by the AFL commission last year.
Clubs are bracing for an order to cull their lists from about 45 to 35 in 2021 in a bid to save costs.
G’day guys,
Came to ask if there’d be any interest in Rhys Mathieson in these here parts, and read the last two pages to get the lay of the land.
If you don’t mind a couple of neutral comments.
From what I have read (mostly Caro and Niall from The Age, and Twomey on afl.com), both the salary cap, soft cap and list sizes will be cut for season 2021.
Figures I’ve read are salary cap possibly to drop from $13 mil to $10 mil.
Soft cap for off field staff to become a hard cap around the $6 mil figure.
List size to be reduced to 40 for 2021, with a gradual decrease to 35 players by 2023.
I’m not sure what has been discussed further back.
Something else I’ve heard from a podcast, where playing lists were analysed. Across the league, on average 31 players per list, play 95% of all games. The remaining 5% of games is played by the other 13 players on the list.
Anyway, back to Rhys Mathieson, would you guys have any interest in a hometown lad?
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G'day guys, just curious if there would be any interest in Rhys Mathieson here? Not considering a trade, same situation as occurred with Jarryd Lyon, delisted with a year remaining on his contract, as he had a deal in principal with another club.
What's up with the above quotes briztoon ? Second time you've tried to flog 'the beast' here in a couple of months
Came to ask if there’d be any interest in Rhys Mathieson in these here parts, and read the last two pages to get the lay of the land.
If you don’t mind a couple of neutral comments.
From what I have read (mostly Caro and Niall from The Age, and Twomey on afl.com), both the salary cap, soft cap and list sizes will be cut for season 2021.
Figures I’ve read are salary cap possibly to drop from $13 mil to $10 mil.
Soft cap for off field staff to become a hard cap around the $6 mil figure.
List size to be reduced to 40 for 2021, with a gradual decrease to 35 players by 2023.
I’m not sure what has been discussed further back.
Something else I’ve heard from a podcast, where playing lists were analysed. Across the league, on average 31 players per list, play 95% of all games. The remaining 5% of games is played by the other 13 players on the list.
Anyway, back to Rhys Mathieson, would you guys have any interest in a hometown lad?
Wannabe Draft Nuffie
G'day guys, just curious if there would be any interest in Rhys Mathieson here? Not considering a trade, same situation as occurred with Jarryd Lyon, delisted with a year remaining on his contract, as he had a deal in principal with another club.
What's up with the above quotes briztoon ? Second time you've tried to flog 'the beast' here in a couple of months
Old age and senility I guess.G’day guys,
Came to ask if there’d be any interest in Rhys Mathieson in these here parts, and read the last two pages to get the lay of the land.
If you don’t mind a couple of neutral comments.
From what I have read (mostly Caro and Niall from The Age, and Twomey on afl.com), both the salary cap, soft cap and list sizes will be cut for season 2021.
Figures I’ve read are salary cap possibly to drop from $13 mil to $10 mil.
Soft cap for off field staff to become a hard cap around the $6 mil figure.
List size to be reduced to 40 for 2021, with a gradual decrease to 35 players by 2023.
I’m not sure what has been discussed further back.
Something else I’ve heard from a podcast, where playing lists were analysed. Across the league, on average 31 players per list, play 95% of all games. The remaining 5% of games is played by the other 13 players on the list.
Anyway, back to Rhys Mathieson, would you guys have any interest in a hometown lad?
Wannabe Draft Nuffie
G'day guys, just curious if there would be any interest in Rhys Mathieson here? Not considering a trade, same situation as occurred with Jarryd Lyon, delisted with a year remaining on his contract, as he had a deal in principal with another club.
What's up with the above quotes briztoon ? Second time you've tried to flog 'the beast' here in a couple of months
Any player not in the best 22 at all 18 clubs will be hard pressed to hold his spot and will find it hard to find a vacancy in a situation where list have to be reduced to 35. If Gold Coast have to lose 16 players off their list there will be a flood and surplus of players, RM may have to push his case in the VFL...but if I was to select a club perhaps Ess might be a reasonable fit. As a bonus, his mate is there.
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