Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[CatToTheFuture]

I didn't realise we had that pick still but I think it must be our 2nd rounder so it isn't really going to be 24, if it is based on last year it will be like 35. Anything in the top 40 you need to use though.

With list reductions the number of draftees will be down. We probably have more late picked high risk kids that could be dropped then a lot of other clubs. A lot of clubs would pick like 1 kid, 2 at the most. If so then the draft ends in the 30s. If it looks like there'll be 35 taken then there's 5 sub 40s picks if you want to make room for them. Actually a good time to flip a list if you want to be ruthless

 

[Turbocat]

Better to burn some players than go insolvent. I guess it all depends on the playing list size we end up with. There are hard luck stories every year, this year the luck will be far harder

It depends on what players are willing to play for.. if they would be willing to play for an average wage.. we could have a 100 on a list and still save money.. but know that will not happen but if we take a step back in payment for player, turn down the payments in some areas of questionable spending like nga and overseas players , reduce coaching etc.. I think they will have saved enough money to keep list an appropriate size.

I totally agree that #1 focus is to run to the new bottom line. I suspect a lot of players on 300 may have to get used to 200 being the new 300 for eg.

 

[Johnny Cattery]

Better to burn some players than go insolvent. I guess it all depends on the playing list size we end up with. There are hard luck stories every year, this year the luck will be far harder


I'm not saying Kennerley wouldn't be a good player, I'm saying that we can't have as many development investments on the list with a smaller list.

Yeah, there's a comment about Kennerley above that I found off the wall; wasn't directed to you. We can't have as many development players, that's true, but what I'm worried about is the fact that if we just factor in achievement and don't think really hard about potential, the reflex act would be to just gut our younger players, e.g. Brad Close (who as a rookie would be on a year), anyone who hadn't played, etc.

My point is that I'd like to see the balance tipped a bit - not completely, but a bit - to keeping players who might not work out, than keeping someone like, say, Tuohy, who is out of contract this year, and who isn't going to get any better. I understand it's risky; but there's a greater and albeit much less obvious risk in mainly keeping players with games under their belt, who won't be there in three years. Then, with that smaller list and a bigger hole, you're in trouble, not helped by staying up the ladder with those older players and therefore having only a couple of mid range picks (say, 15 and 45).

 

[Larry Donohue]

If it is a list of 35
Definites to keep
Stanley
Parfitt
Clark
Kolo
Selwood
Ratagolea
Constable
Narkle
Duncan
Hawkins
Atkins
Miers
Dangerfield
Henry
Dahlhaus
O'Connor
Stewart
Blicavs

Players to consider yay or nay
Tuohy
Ablett
Cockatoo
Taylor
Jenkins
Steven
Rohan
Bews
Henderson
Menegola
Fort
Guthrie

Fringe players to consider yay or nay
Fogarty
Parsons
Simpson
Zuthrie

Young untried players
Jarvis
Stephens
Kreuger
DeKonning
Brownless
Kennerley
Evans
Tarca
Schlensog
Taheney
Okunbor
Close

11 of those players to go is harsh but if the cull is necessary, for mine
Tuohy
Jenkins
Bews
Henderson
Guthrie
Parsons
Zuthrie
Jarvis
Brownless
Okunbor
Evans

Still rate Cockatoo as a future star of the club
If a north dropped Goldstein I'd let fort go instead of brownless

 

[CatRiot]

If we need to clear 8 players or thereabouts, so we can use the 4 early picks... It would be something like this for me:

1. Zuthrie
2. Simpson
3. Parsons
4. Henderson
5. Brownless

Try to trade out:
6. Menegola - Future picks (even if its pick upgrades)
7. Guthrie - Future picks (even if its pick upgrades)

Delist or Trade if can find a better immediate replacement:
8. Fort - Ruck

-> Then probably leave it open for retirements to Taylor and GAJ.

 

[cats_09]

If there's a reduction in list sizes and being done as a means of reducing club spending, would think that means uncontracted players are in the firing line so to speak, while those already signed up for next year & beyond would be more secure - not sure paying out contracts would be seen as a smart use of reduced funds in the current environment

Could be a nervous few months ahead for the following guys who are out of contract:

OUT-OF-CONTRACT CATS

Gary Ablett
Bradley Close (R)
Nakia Cockatoo
Darcy Fort
Zach Guthrie
Tom Hawkins
Lachie Henderson
Jack Henry
Ben Jarvis
Jacob Kennerley
Nathan Krueger
Quinton Narkle
Brandan Parfitt
James Parsons
Blake Schlensog
Sam Simpson
Rhys Stanley
Jake Tarca
Harry Taylor
Zach Tuohy

 

[Live in hope]

If there's a reduction in list sizes and being done as a means of reducing club spending, would think that means uncontracted players are in the firing line so to speak, while those already signed up for next year & beyond would be more secure - not sure paying out contracts would be seen as a smart use of reduced funds in the current environment

Could be a nervous few months ahead for the following guys who are out of contract:

OUT-OF-CONTRACT CATS

Gary Ablett
Bradley Close (R)
Nakia Cockatoo
Darcy Fort
Zach Guthrie
Tom Hawkins
Lachie Henderson
Jack Henry
Ben Jarvis
Jacob Kennerley
Nathan Krueger
Quinton Narkle
Brandan Parfitt
James Parsons
Blake Schlensog
Sam Simpson
Rhys Stanley
Jake Tarca
Harry Taylor
Zach Tuohy

I presume that most of the young players on the club’s full list are at their parents home at the moment. Next year I wouldn’t be surprised if a number of the interstate players (including some we might want to keep) want to stay in their home state. The club may have pretty convincing ‘moral-suation’ to let them go.

 

[Turbocat]

I presume that most of the young players on the club’s full list are at their parents home at the moment. Next year I wouldn’t be surprised if a number of the interstate players (including some we might want to keep) want to stay in their home state. The club may have pretty convincing ‘moral-suation’ to let them go.

Who specifically? I suspect most fringe players will be happy to just be on a list. Every club will probably have to reduce numbers over multiple years, there will not automatically be a spot for them to go in states with only 2 clubs to play for.

 

[Turbocat]

If there's a reduction in list sizes and being done as a means of reducing club spending, would think that means uncontracted players are in the firing line so to speak, while those already signed up for next year & beyond would be more secure - not sure paying out contracts would be seen as a smart use of reduced funds in the current environment

Could be a nervous few months ahead for the following guys who are out of contract:

OUT-OF-CONTRACT CATS

Gary Ablett
Bradley Close (R)
Nakia Cockatoo
Darcy Fort
Zach Guthrie
Tom Hawkins
Lachie Henderson
Jack Henry
Ben Jarvis
Jacob Kennerley
Nathan Krueger
Quinton Narkle
Brandan Parfitt
James Parsons
Blake Schlensog
Sam Simpson
Rhys Stanley
Jake Tarca
Harry Taylor
Zach Tuohy

On your list Id say a lot depends on just how much we have to reduce player cost. I doubt CS will want to eat too much into his potential best22 or his potential best22 for the next couple of years. So a lot will depend on just how the MC see the players. Reducing numbers will mean a couple of player we have hopes for will probably go, some before they even get a real chance and a couple of dollar players will have to be moved on if they do not accept less money.

So I kept Kruger and let Schlensog go, Kept Kennerley but let Jacob go keep 2e, Fort but potential trade Parfitt, Stanley... and there will probably be so in contract players traded that are given a quiet word..to have a look around..like Varcoe was ( if you can get 3 years somewhere else we will do what we can to get you there).

OUT-OF-CONTRACT CATS

Gone
Gary Ablett
Lachie Henderson
James Parsons
Blake Schlensog
Harry Taylor

in the mix
Bradley Close (R)
Nakia Cockatoo
Ben Jarvis
Sam Simpson
Jake Tarca
Zach Guthrie

Keep
Darcy Fort
Tom Hawkins
Jack Henry
Nathan Krueger
Quinton Narkle
Zach Tuohy
Jacob Kennerley

Perhaps trade options
Brandan Parfitt
Rhys Stanley

 

[CatToTheFuture]

On your list Id say a lot depends on just how much we have to reduce player cost. I doubt CS will want to eat too much into his potential best22 or his potential best22 for the next couple of years. So a lot will depend on just how the MC see the players. Reducing numbers will mean a couple of player we have hopes for will probably go, some before they even get a real chance and a couple of dollar players will have to be moved on if they do not accept less money.

So I kept Kruger and let Schlensog go, Kept Kennerley but let Jacob go keep 2e, Fort but potential trade Parfitt, Stanley... and there will probably be so in contract players traded that are given a quiet word..to have a look around..like Varcoe was ( if you can get 3 years somewhere else we will do what we can to get you there).

OUT-OF-CONTRACT CATS

Gone
Gary Ablett
Lachie Henderson
James Parsons
Blake Schlensog
Harry Taylor

in the mix
Bradley Close (R)
Nakia Cockatoo
Ben Jarvis
Sam Simpson
Jake Tarca
Zach Guthrie

Keep
Darcy Fort
Tom Hawkins
Jack Henry
Nathan Krueger
Quinton Narkle
Zach Tuohy
Jacob Kennerley

Perhaps trade options
Brandan Parfitt
Rhys Stanley

It could go the other way. With a list this heavy with 30 year olds Scott may be thinking that the list will hit a wall at some point. If he's selective about who he wants to keep and just maintains a small leadership group/spine then this would actually be the the ideal time to turn the list over. Lots of promising kids from other sides dropped, a draft that we have three first rounders and as many picks after 40 as we can fit on the list. Then if you start getting pumped you can pull out the ready excuse that you had to turn the list over to keep the club afloat, knowing also that the club won't have the cash to terminate your long term contract.

High risk though. If you can get those kids winning games within three years then you've made it, if you can't you're out.

 

[Turbocat]

It could go the other way. With a list this heavy with 30 year olds Scott may be thinking that the list will hit a wall at some point. If he's selective about who he wants to keep and just maintains a small leadership group/spine then this would actually be the the ideal time to turn the list over. Lots of promising kids from other sides dropped, a draft that we have three first rounders and as many picks after 40 as we can fit on the list. Then if you start getting pumped you can pull out the ready excuse that you had to turn the list over to keep the club afloat, knowing also that the club won't have the cash to terminate your long term contract.

High risk though. If you can get those kids winning games within three years then you've made it, if you can't you're out.

To some degree this would make a lot of sense. Every club will have the same issues. The players moved on will not be the bottom of the list or the oldest.. so even trying to do what might have wanted to do, say cherry pick a kid from someone else might be easier. Certainly not much on the FA list that makes me feel we should be looking to go hard at play nows

2020 free agents unveiled, surprise Giant 'restricted'

Check out all the restricted and unrestricted free agents for 2020

www.afl.com.au

I suspect the list will lose 5 spots at the end of this year and then another 5 at the end of 2021. It means 8-12 players will be removed in the next two years considering a min of 3 draft spots pa. This is from every club. There will be a heap of players floating that I suspect will probably end up in a national 'VFL' comp..or what ever they wish to call it Perhaps AFL2. If every club has a AFL2 side that they can access to top up a shortfall... one might see the logic of players like a ZacGuthrie or Sam Simpson no longer be listed but be AFL2 top ups but I suspect middle types on the 300G-400G range may find they get squeezed by the cheap kid and the star player. Does a player like a 2e become a pro at the next level down on call, a bit like Black., something like this may be needed with on 34 on a list if we want to transition a list.


So much is just speculation till we know and hear some plans.

 

[Turbocat]

A very different NFL Draft today..... not like the movie that's for sure.

 

[Cataholic]

I think there's a real upside to this.

It's going to stop (for a while anyway) the pursuit of money as the virtual sole objective of footy. Budgeting will be king, and some perspective is being returned.

Reduced lists will reverse the dilution of their quality, and thereby improve the quality of the game on field.

I hope this reality check lasts a long, long time, and the game itself remains the master, rather than money being its god.

 

[Turbocat]

I think there's a real upside to this.

It's going to stop (for a while anyway) the pursuit of money as the virtual sole objective of footy. Budgeting will be king, and some perspective is being returned.

Reduced lists will reverse the dilution of their quality, and thereby improve the quality of the game on field.

I hope this reality check lasts a long, long time, and the game itself remains the master, rather than money being its god.

I think we could debate the 'bold', I suspect quality is such a broad term ..for eg. CS recently said modern football is much better or some such type statement.
To me def has become so proficient that it will never go back to being "quality' without drastic change.


there will be upside no doubt ..better football ..? Not sure

 

[Cataholic]

I think we could debate the 'bold', I suspect quality is such a broad term ..for eg. CS recently said modern football is much better or some such type statement.
To me def has become so proficient that it will never go back to being "quality' without drastic change.


there will be upside no doubt ..better football ..? Not sure

What I meant by that sentence is my belief in the theory that borderline players will be squeezed out, and only the best of the best will be retained on the reduced lists.

This would then produce a better standard of play on field.

Bigger playing lists eventually result in a player being retained that would otherwise be cut.

 

[dazbroncos]

A very different NFL Draft today..... not like the movie that's for sure.

Just glad to get some LIVE sport lol

Been fun to watch.

GO Catters

 

[Turbocat]

What I meant by that sentence is my belief in the theory that borderline players will be squeezed out, and only the best of the best will be retained on the reduced lists.

This would then produce a better standard of play on field.

Bigger playing lists eventually result in a player being retained that would otherwise be cut.

I understand the sentiment. The role players... the trouble is the way the modern players are overly controlled rather than their skill level (imo). The trouble (again imo) is that no matter how good the player.. they rarely are allowed to just put their talent into "Luke in the helmet" mode. They are so prescribed in the way they have to play, risk reduction means players too offensive get smothered.

In relation to this thread... I have heard the coach of rich say he would pick good tackler before someone who could do other aspects really well. Other aspect which Id rather watch. Other aspects id say are found in better players.

With all the old games being played it gives one a refresh. Recently while watching the Locket game on TV it seemed so obvious to me he would struggle to get picked these days. His qualities would not be valued. Tonight the 1994 dogs cats game is being recalled something tells me there would be a lot of players cut because wouldn't tackle.

So when we talk better standard etc... we have to change the criteria the coaches value or some role players will survive some footballers.

 

[The rabbi]

AFL draft state of play: Why clubs who’ll own the first round can breathe sigh of relief

Geelong: 3x first-round picks, 1x second-round pick, 1x fifth-round pick

No club has a better draft hand than the Cats, with three potential top 15 picks. The club has no NGA or father-son prospects, which could see the Cats potentially push some selections into next year’s draft pool. Victorian medium forward Archie Perkins could push his case as a first-round certainty with a strong season, while general defender Sam Collins has been likened to Tom Stewart by Champion Data. They’re bound to keep an eye on the local prospects, which are headlined by Falcons onballer Tanner Bruhn.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-afl-draft-2020-afl-draft-top-prospects-draft-order-geelong-north-melbourne/news-story/be1c9373cdef2c24790960f0af72fbbf?fbclid=IwAR3a14DO0YF19MLXJCSfw5T6uzONjChwldq-EWHxyTU3GDej2GHtYnSYDbQ

 

[rocker_oz33]

Hopefully wells nails those picks.

 

[Turbocat]

AFL draft state of play: Why clubs who’ll own the first round can breathe sigh of relief

Geelong: 3x first-round picks, 1x second-round pick, 1x fifth-round pick

No club has a better draft hand than the Cats, with three potential top 15 picks. The club has no NGA or father-son prospects, which could see the Cats potentially push some selections into next year’s draft pool. Victorian medium forward Archie Perkins could push his case as a first-round certainty with a strong season, while general defender Sam Collins has been likened to Tom Stewart by Champion Data. They’re bound to keep an eye on the local prospects, which are headlined by Falcons onballer Tanner Bruhn.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-afl-draft-2020-afl-draft-top-prospects-draft-order-geelong-north-melbourne/news-story/be1c9373cdef2c24790960f0af72fbbf?fbclid=IwAR3a14DO0YF19MLXJCSfw5T6uzONjChwldq-EWHxyTU3GDej2GHtYnSYDbQ

I hope they consider Walsh and Henry... but who knows what pick we will have by the time the nga's are taken. Bruhn sounds good , shame he is not a couple cm taller. If Holland slide because of his injury it would be tempting.

Trying to find his way thru the compromised picks will be SW main task I feel.

The 2020 AFL draft will be the most compromised ever. This is how clubs plan to beat it

The 2020 AFL draft will be the most compromised ever. This is how clubs plan to beat it

www.foxsports.com.au

I heard Perkins interviewed on a SEN recently
Sounds like a kid with his head screwed on.

Draft hopeful Archie Perkins on Dwayne's World - Wednesday 15th April

18 year old star Archie Perkins joins Dwayne Russell to talk through how he is handling the weird circumstances of this year.

player.whooshkaa.com

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

Just glad to get some LIVE sport lol

Been fun to watch.

GO Catters

Do you think the NFL will start on time ?, I do remember Trump mentioning it should start on time seem it's still a good couple of months away.

 

[Johnny Cattery]

If there's a reduction in list sizes and being done as a means of reducing club spending, would think that means uncontracted players are in the firing line so to speak, while those already signed up for next year & beyond would be more secure - not sure paying out contracts would be seen as a smart use of reduced funds in the current environment

Could be a nervous few months ahead for the following guys who are out of contract:

OUT-OF-CONTRACT CATS

Gary Ablett
Bradley Close (R)
Nakia Cockatoo
Darcy Fort
Zach Guthrie
Tom Hawkins
Lachie Henderson
Jack Henry
Ben Jarvis
Jacob Kennerley
Nathan Krueger
Quinton Narkle
Brandan Parfitt
James Parsons
Blake Schlensog
Sam Simpson
Rhys Stanley
Jake Tarca
Harry Taylor
Zach Tuohy

Thank you '09. if it is 38 on the list and we're making room for four draftees, then that is a lot of nervous Cats.
of that group, Parfitt, Henry and Narkle look like the obvious long term certainties, and you would guess they would want Hawk for at least another couple of years.

Kreuger, Schlensog and Kennerley for development - I would also say Jarvis;

Stanley and Fort because surely you can't just have one ruckman - & hard to bring in players when so many will have been cut, so an end to the annual ruck roundabout).

And that's about all there is room for, if it's a list of 38 ... yikes ....

 

[dazbroncos]

Do you think the NFL will start on time ?, I do remember Trump mentioning it should start on time seem it's still a good couple of months away.

so far yes... but lets not get too far OT in this thread with that.

Go Catters

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

so far yes... but lets not get too far OT in this thread with that.

Go Catters

Fair enough Daz, I'm not a huge fan of American football, But it's going to be great to have some live sport's back again sooner rather than later hopefully.

 

[Landgraft]

There are going to be so many AFL players cut from lists in most models, an ambitious list manager might really make something of it.

And an overly ambitious list manager might break his team in half chasing fools gold.