Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists... Part II

[Sire of Claude]

Holmes surprised me with his ability to get in and under and feed the ball out. He will be a very good player.

As for the flag, we might be having a crack but we have no chance of winning it. We need to focus on improving the team.

I agree with the Nick Stevens comment - in addition to kicking and making, he is quite quick. I want to see him in Rd 1.

 

[BORIS332]

Right now with pick 23 the Dogs only have a 135 point surplus on the picks they have if a bid comes at pick 2 (they will need 2014 to match)

So that means if they trade pick 23 (815 p) away they will need at least 680 points in 2021 to ensure they won't go into deficit next year.

As I suggested before a 23,52 (WB) for 32,34 and F3 (Cats) would be good for both teams.
- They could probably trade 32 down and into next years again with another team maybe Ess.

A bid won't come at pick 2, North have committed to Horne Francis, no one is bidding on Darcy ahead of Daicos. It will be pick 3 at the earliest, and if so they will have a 360 point surplus.

Edit: to add to this, Richmond have set the precedent for consolidating picks. They netted Collingwood and extra ~600 points. Imho, it's too expensive, unless we live trade on the night for a slider.

 

[Two Planks]

A bid won't come at pick 2, North have committed to Horne Francis, no one is bidding on Darcy ahead of Daicos. It will be pick 3 at the earliest, and if so they will have a 360 point surplus.

Edit: to add to this, Richmond have set the precedent for consolidating picks. They netted Collingwood and extra ~600 points. Imho, it's too expensive, unless we live trade on the night for a slider.

I think you underestimate the hatred between the Giants and the bulldogs.

 

[ShaunWDT]

I think you underestimate the hatred between the Giants and the bulldogs.

Honestly on pure list needs GWS would bid on Darcy before Daicos, would not be surprised if it happens if they keep their pick.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

I'm not certain of this. Is Schlensog realistically an upgrade on De Koning? Schlensog is 21, De Koning is 20. Both only played state level last year. Some people are talking about Schlensog as if he's going to come in and straight away be the 2nd tall KPD, that's unrealistic. At his age and experience it's unlikely he'll be an immediate plug and play.

Same can be said about SDK i guess.
Better having 2 options than one is my way of looking at it.
I'll give Schlensog his dues... played really well in the WAFL.
Changed his approach to off field conditioning & training by all reports.
Funny how the penny drops differently from player to player.
I do like our options going forward if we have him on our list TBH.

 

[Drunkcat]

We dumped Schlensog he mite tell Geelong he don't want to play for us

 

[ShaunWDT]

We dumped Schlensog he mite tell Geelong he don't want to play for us

Is what Im fully expecting to happen, why would you go back to an employer that has already given you the arse, will be plenty of clubs interested.

 

[Drunkcat]

Same can be said about SDK i guess.
Better having 2 options than one is my way of looking at it.
I'll give Schlensog his dues... played really well in the WAFL.
Changed his approach to off field conditioning & training by all reports.
Funny how the penny drops differently from player to player.
I do like our options going forward if we have him on our list TBH.

He looked good as a forward in a couple of games in the VFL in 2019 he had good hands, But like most 1st year players was inconsistent

 

[Drunkcat]

I am so looking forward to this year SDK will show glimpses of what he can do in the future, He will not play 20 games but he will get people excited

 

[ShaunWDT]

Ceglar Ready for Ruck Partnership

Jonathon Ceglar expects to work in tandem with Rhys Stanley.

www.geelongcats.com.au

 

[BigCat1]

A bid won't come at pick 2, North have committed to Horne Francis, no one is bidding on Darcy ahead of Daicos. It will be pick 3 at the earliest, and if so they will have a 360 point surplus.

Edit: to add to this, Richmond have set the precedent for consolidating picks. They netted Collingwood and extra ~600 points. Imho, it's too expensive, unless we live trade on the night for a slider.

But they would be silly to hold it. Clubs have worked out you will get more by incrementally trading it for points + Future picks over the course of trade week right up to the 30 seconds before the pick.

Coll has turned pick 22 with a series of trades into #38, #40, Freo F3rd & Rich F3rd.

Western bulldogs currently stand at trading pick 17 into #23, #44 and #45. If they turned around and traded with Geelong they’d turn 17 into all of the Darcy points, a usable pick for themselves at around #42 this year and a Future third. They could go again and try and trade say the pick 32 they get from Geelong.

It makes sense to just slide down a little each trade as clubs will keep coming for it and keep over paying for something that’s of no use to the owner.

 

[Warhorse]

So a player exceeding expectations is now evidence of poor player development? Clark yeah sure that's evidence of it. Cockatoo isn't evidence of anything either given the club didn't really get a chance to develop him.

You stated three names but it disguised the fact you only had one data point in there

Nice melt. And no, Holmes is not Dangerfield but with better kicking. I hope that's hyperbole on your part. If you truly think that you need to watch more football

I'm not certain of this. Is Schlensog realistically an upgrade on De Koning? Schlensog is 21, De Koning is 20. Both only played state level last year. Some people are talking about Schlensog as if he's going to come in and straight away be the 2nd tall KPD, that's unrealistic. At his age and experience it's unlikely he'll be an immediate plug and play.

Schlensog was much better than SDK this year but SDK a much better talent long term. Thing I like about him is he has a bit of campaigner in him. He actually reminds of Scarlett in that regard in which he is hated by the opposition and their supporters and he is always sledging and niggling. Thats from what I have seen anyway.

Personally don't think he is a great match for our list as it didn't work out last time. There are other younger state league players i would grab first.

 

[Cat Addict]

Honestly on pure list needs GWS would bid on Darcy before Daicos, would not be surprised if it happens if they keep their pick.

Agreed and there is no scenario where Dogs or Pies don't match anyway regardless of where the bid come, so smart teams will just look at the impact of bids at certain picks and play it that way.

Pies and Dogs are taking all of there other picks at the tail end of the draft, if there was scenario that would bring one team into deficit over the other I am sure the Giants would look at playing it that way. Giants have a fair few academy picks over the stretch so probably wouldn't want to put a target on there back either.

Reality is Dogs are challenging more than Pies right now so if you had to pick one to go hard at you would think it would be the Dogs as you are probably playing finals against them next year if your GWS.

 

[Kitcat]

We dumped Schlensog he mite tell Geelong he don't want to play for us

Is he from the area? He used to play for Grovedale Tigers. Might want to come home.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

We dumped Schlensog he mite tell Geelong he don't want to play for us

maybe... maybe not..

 

[St Francis of Kardinia]

Stanley at CHB? Put down the crack pipe.

Wouldn’t be the first time substances were at play within the coaching ranks

Whether or not the above is in poor taste I see merit in Stanley playing a kick behind the play or creative solutions to protecting SDK early

But I don’t know why we would be nervous having a first round third year key position back play key back with blitz, Henry and Stewart next to him


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[Footy Smarts]

Wouldn’t be the first time substances were at play within the coaching ranks

Whether or not the above is in poor taste I see merit in Stanley playing a kick behind the play or creative solutions to protecting SDK early

But I don’t know why we would be nervous having a first round third year key position back play key back with blitz, Henry and Stewart next to him


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The way to protect SDK (or another young key defender) early is return Blicavs to his role as a defensive winger/second ruck. His biggest asset is reading the play and getting back to defend quicker than anyone else. But he's not that great in 1 on 1 contests and makes bad blunders deep in defence.

With a mature defence led by Stewart and Henry with Blicavs being the first back as the extra number that's as easy a start to life as you can possibly give a key defender.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I'm not certain of this. Is Schlensog realistically an upgrade on De Koning? Schlensog is 21, De Koning is 20. Both only played state level last year. Some people are talking about Schlensog as if he's going to come in and straight away be the 2nd tall KPD, that's unrealistic. At his age and experience it's unlikely he'll be an immediate plug and play.

We need both because we lack depth in the kpd position.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

A bid won't come at pick 2, North have committed to Horne Francis, no one is bidding on Darcy ahead of Daicos. It will be pick 3 at the earliest, and if so they will have a 360 point surplus.

Edit: to add to this, Richmond have set the precedent for consolidating picks. They netted Collingwood and extra ~600 points. Imho, it's too expensive, unless we live trade on the night for a slider.

Caruso from gws said they were more likely to bid on darcy (a few weeks ago) than daicos as they need talls and talls are harder to find. I took that as almost an admission they will bid on darcy at 2.

I do agree the richmond trade was too expensive and i wouldnt want us to do that.

 

[CategoryCRookie]

I know we want midfielders, but the talk of Stanley as a KPD really shows how needy we are in the position. I'm really hoping we land Schlenslog as a DFA and then maybe take a second one in the rookie draft or with our last pick. I know we need mids, but right now, Blicavs and SDK are the only KPDs we have on the list. Kolo and Henry can play KPD theoretically against a Riewoldt type, but that doesn't hold up when you play against teams that have two taller KPFs.

I don't think swinging any of our other talls back makes any sense either. Sav could be run off his feet as a defender and Stanley doesn't read the ball well and is easily manoeuvred in contests despite his size and strength.

 

[Larry Donohue]

We took brown In hs draft at 24
No knevitt taken or Taylor taken yet at 30
Our picks would have been 33, 35, 37
Good chance we'd get one of the two in that mock draft.

 

[Shadow89]

We took brown In hs draft at 24
No knevitt taken or Taylor taken yet at 30
Our picks would have been 33, 35, 37
Good chance we'd get one of the two in that mock draft.

Herald Sun boys have no idea, lol. Mock BF Phantom is a lot closer to the mark IMO.

Knevitt or Taylor won't make it past 30, and would be very surprised if the former makes it to our first pick.

If we got Tom Brown though, I would not be complaining

EDIT: I think you missed it, but Hawthorn took Zac Taylor at 23 - which is about right IMO

 

[Larry Donohue]

Herald Sun boys have no idea, lol. Mock BF Phantom is a lot closer to the mark IMO.

Knevitt or Taylor won't make it past 30, and would be very surprised if the former makes it to our first pick.

If we got Tom Brown though, I would not be complaining

EDIT: I think you missed it, but Hawthorn took Zac Taylor at 23 - which is about right IMO

I did miss that. It appeared they had the bulldogs 23 pick, so that confused me a little

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Herald sun experts doing a mock top 30 draft today at 1pm

Just saw it... Meh... I reckon my daughter could've picked better.

 

[bombersboy]

Couldn’t disagree with a post more. Got wheels, got size and is excellent in close, can’t teach that. Will be a ripper. I think a few are dismissing him for all the reasons you mentioned due to a few rushed shots at goal. If he was available in this years draft he goes in single figures for me.
Hopefully I’m right and you are not

Agree wholeheartedly. I think Holmes will be elite within 2-3 years provided he does not get struck down by injuries. As we have mentioned before Lingy missed from the goal square early on. Holmes is obviously not an elite kick but trusting that it will improve markedly as he matures.