Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists... Part II

[Couch Coach]

Seen the news about Collingwood trading Suns for picks 22,46,58.

Which would leave them: picks 22,36,41,43,46,48,58 = 2957 points...

Now they won't need 22, so I have been playing with a three way (Geel, Coll, WBD) trade that would suit all parties... Here goes.

- To work a trade for Darcy Fort for picks 50&60 is needed.

Geel IN pick 17 (WBD), 22 (Coll) - 1937 in points
OUT Kruger, pick 30, 32, 34, (above 50&60) - 2153 in point
Coll IN Lips, Kruger, pick 34 (542 points)
OUT pick 22 (845 points)
WBD IN picks 30, 32, 50, 60 (1611 in points)
OUT pick 17 (1025 points), Lips

In all Collingwood get 2 player for a cost of 303 points, they already have enough with the GC trade.
Geelong move up the draft and can take 17,22 and 54 to the draft (plus anything we get in a future deal with Clark)
WBD Increase points to 1611 would need 1787 points to match a bid at pick 3 so only 175 points short of that...

I thinks everyone walks away happy thoughts?

The only problem with this is the AFL's rule on stockpiling later picks.
Pies would need to have seven list spots open (34, 36, 41, 43, 46, 48 & 58) and WBD five list spots (30, 32, 50, 60 & 75)
Pies list OUT: Mayne, Greenwood, (Tohill a rookie)
Pies list IN: Lip, Kruger,
Cutting 7 from our OOC list: Cox, Sier, Lynch, Rantall, J Thomas, Pendles, D Cameron. This is a bit deep.

 

[catstorm]

We arent getting a top 10 pick for a bloke we've hardly played in 2 years, laughable counter deal really.

In a straight swap no way, but we could package together pick/s to get that pick back.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Players trade value depreciates a lot quicker than they appreciate, players who are a late first pick that spend 3 years on a list and still aren't best 22 can't expect a first round pick back. Again though is it really worth keeping him on the list for another 12 months just to move up 6 places in the draft order next year (that's only if he has a reasonable year) otherwise you're looking at 40+

That gamble works both ways if he plays 22 games next year at the level he played in his first year he will be worth a R1 and possibly more. Contending teams need all the good players they can get so we may be happy to take that gamble.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Or the club knows that Freo won’t cough that up and hence keeps Clark

It might be a tactic to get freo to go away so we can keep him. We know we will have the cap room to offer him a big extension in 12 months.

 

[JohnZ]

We arent getting a top 10 pick for a bloke we've hardly played in 2 years, laughable counter deal really.

It's not a genuine counter deal. It sets the boundaries for the discussion.

You (Freo) have two picks, and we want something better than 27 if you want Clarky. Either stump up 8 or get serious about finding us a pick in the teens, otherwise he stays.

 

[ShaunWDT]

It's not a genuine counter deal. It sets the boundaries for the discussion.

You (Freo) have two picks, and we want something better than 27 if you want Clarky. Either stump up 8 or get serious about finding us a pick in the teens, otherwise he stays.

Fully expect Freo to walk away, our demands are ridiculous in all honesty, near certainty they can get him in 12 months and would need an astronomical turnaround in output to have any trade currency whatsoever.

 

[Tackle_happy]

Fully expect Freo to walk away, our demands are ridiculous in all honesty, near certainty they can get him in 12 months and would need an astronomical turnaround in output to have any trade currency whatsoever.

Them stating 27 was enough was ludicrous too.

Geelong were right to call them on it.

 

[ShaunWDT]

Them stating 27 was enough was ludicrous too.

Geelong were right to call them on it.

Hardly ludicrous for a bloke youve shown zero intention to play, and when they have played they've been seriously average.

Anyone who isnt in a sides top 25 players isn't worth a top 20 pick.

Vast majority of this board has overrated Clark for the last 18 months though so nothing really surprises me anymore.

 

[foodles05]

Culture is thinning out with 3 assistants leaving. Cook leaving. Scott probably will leave too within next year. It’s not as stable as it has been. And decent FA’s want to play finals.

If you think the culture that represents the fabric of the club is lost when key people leave then that culture sucked in the first place. Unless shit people come in good culture survives key people leaving in any organisation. That's kind of the point of creating a good culture

 

[Tony Barber]

Ralphy suggesting Geelong have asked Fremantle for pick 8 for Clark. Love it.

Not a chance in hell.
Maybe 8 for 16 and Clark. (Assuming we have 16)

But even that is pushing it.
Let mummy boy go home I say.

Didn't handle the bubble last year. Never recovered.
Byeeeeee

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Fully expect Freo to walk away, our demands are ridiculous in all honesty, near certainty they can get him in 12 months and would need an astronomical turnaround in output to have any trade currency whatsoever.

I doubt we expect 8 but 27 is too low and they have no other (non future) picks. Its our way of saying either you give us some of what you get for cerra or you find us a late R1 via another club. Standard negotiating tactic. Also 12 months is no certainty..clark might play and stay and even if he doesnt wce will have the cap room to make it a 2 horse race that they dont now.

 

[catstorm]

Anyone who isnt in a sides top 25 players isn't worth a top 20 pick.

What do you think the doggies would take for Jamarra ugle-hagan then?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Hardly ludicrous for a bloke youve shown zero intention to play, and when they have played they've been seriously average.

Anyone who isnt in a sides top 25 players isn't worth a top 20 pick.

Vast majority of this board has overrated Clark for the last 18 months though so nothing really surprises me anymore.

I will draw your attention to the fact that the coach who didnt want to pick clark is gone. His 2022 may be very different from his 2021.

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

It's not a genuine counter deal. It sets the boundaries for the discussion.

You (Freo) have two picks, and we want something better than 27 if you want Clarky. Either stump up 8 or get serious about finding us a pick in the teens, otherwise he stays.

They can trade 6 for 14,18 from Brisbane. Keep 14, send us 18 for clarke. We can always send 34 as well to get their 2022r3 back.

 

[ShaunWDT]

I will draw your attention to the fact that the coach who didnt want to pick clark is gone. His 2022 may be very different from his 2021.

Thats on the proviso you believe the narrative that has gone around, which I have always found very hard to believe considering the head coach picks the side every week, I'm alot more likely to side with the notion that the guy just isn't that good and his form didn't warrant selection, also think its very unlikely that he'll suddenly have a change of heart when hes very close to his family and has wanted to leave 2 years in a row.

 

[Hamingja]

27 for Clark is fair IMO.

We've screwed the pooch with his development.

Putting him back to half back now is back to square one. We should have been spending the last 3 years improving the defensive side of his game instead of moving him around.

 

[foodles05]

Plus they are about to start playing finals for the next decade so why would he leave that and come play at a club who will not be playing finals post 2022. Carlton will offer him a godfather deal so he's certain to remain at Carlton.

This is pure gold. Carlton have been about to start playing ****ing finals for 30 years!!!!

 

[foodles05]

Not a chance in hell.
Maybe 8 for 16 and Clark. (Assuming we have 16)

But even that is pushing it.
Let mummy boy go home I say.

Didn't handle the bubble last year. Never recovered.
Byeeeeee

Emotion is a bad bad thing to add to a trade negotiation Tony. Just saying Im glad you aint handling it hahaha

 

[Tony Barber]

I will draw your attention to the fact that the coach who didnt want to pick clark is gone. His 2022 may be very different from his 2021.

Huh? Who didn't want to pick Clark? Link pls.

 

[Tony Barber]

Emotion is a bad bad thing to add to a trade negotiation Tony. Just saying Im glad you aint handling it hahaha

There was zero emotion in my comment, if that's what you are referring to.

If people can't handle the heat (in any profession), set them free. And set yourself free.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Thats on the proviso you believe the narrative that has gone around, which I have always found very hard to believe considering the head coach picks the side every week, I'm alot more likely to side with the notion that the guy just isn't that good and his form didn't warrant selection, also think its very unlikely that he'll suddenly have a change of heart when hes very close to his family and has wanted to leave 2 years in a row.

I believe it for a fact (the scarlett bit).
I also think the situation for clark is more about playing time and security (more than family) and at end 2022 i can see a scenario where we can easily offer him both so i think if we keep him the gamble could pay off.

 

[BigCat1]

We arent getting a top 10 pick for a bloke we've hardly played in 2 years, laughable counter deal really.

It’s day 1 of trade week. They say pick #30 and we say #10. This is a business negotiation 101. I’m not quite sure you understand what a “counter” offer should look like on a deal where you hold the leverage and nor care if youre stuck with the asset.

The boundaries have been set and now they can meet somewhere in the middle.

If not Clark stays. Shock horror the opportunity lost on Clark is nothing for us. Another pick in the 30s for a 55 max pick draft is useless and next year they will fling us a 3rd round pick as a worst case scenario. Best case is even more than this year.

 

[tielgaz]

Ralphy suggesting Geelong have asked Fremantle for pick 8 for Clark. Love it.

Pick 8 yes please, however somewhere in the middle I think 15-20 sounds fair.

 

[Hinkley29]

That's probably because he's a front runner and only really seems to play his best footy when Geelong is on top.

Plenty of sides have them. Gets on the end of a lot of footy when we dominate but based on his finals record alone (and some other big games which I won't rattle off) he's the type of player that we could still survive ok without.

Just the harsh reality.

This is kind of an inane argument. Is he a front runner, or is he a catalyst for the team to play well?

You could just as easily argue that when he plays well Geelong win. Ie. He doesnt play well because Geelong are winning, rather Geelong wins when he plays well.

Depends on which side of the argument you want to place yourself on.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Huh? Who didn't want to pick Clark? Link pls.

Our ex coach of the 'misfits'.