Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists... Part II

[catempire]

Terrible approach. You dont get draft picks with retired players And those retired players keep you middle road and prevent you from earning better draft picks. Its a double hit.

Ok ok. I’ll also suggest to the AFL that each year they should replenish each club with, let’s call them “draft picks”, so that clubs may use those to either select players in a “draft” or use them as currency to acquire players from other clubs (a kind of “trade” if you will). That might work?

 

[BORIS332]

Not really. Season 2022 will soon be upon us. We don’t have a high pick this draft we are all in next year for September again and then flop so we won’t get a high end pick next draft. We have shipped off Clark & Krueger and not really anything outstanding in the under 25 brigade at our club compared to many other clubs. It’s not laughable actually it’s very very real.

Disagree. Our under 25s of Parfitt, O’Connor, Ratugolea, Close, Henry, Miers and Holmes are all very promising.

 

[BORIS332]

Gotta admit trying to keep up with this thread, and understand the goings on with picks and player swaps, is like watching 'Last Year at Marianbad' without subtitles. Miss a day a day and there's 50 pages down...quite incredible...

So apologies for the ignorant question, but after all this chatter, all the back and forth, all the time and sweat, all that's really happened so far is we've picked up a 30 year old discarded ruckman from Hawthorn?

We’ve swapped out our 30 year old ruckman for a slightly better 30 year old ruckman. Lost two young players, and have four picks inside the top 35 of the draft. We’ll also sign a 22 year old small forward shortly.

 

[Warhorse]

Ok ok. I’ll also suggest to the AFL that each year they should replenish each club with, let’s call them “draft picks”, so that clubs may use those to either select players in a “draft” or use them as currency to acquire players from other clubs (a kind of “trade” if you will). That might work?

Can we use them to trade for free agents?

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

We've got a reasonable draft hand, now it's time to nail the picks.

 

[Warhorse]

Disagree. Our under 25s of Parfitt, O’Connor, Ratugolea, Close, Henry, Miers and Holmes are all very promising.

O'Connor, Ratugolea, Close and Miers project to be role players. Parfitt might end up a B Grader. Henry and possibly Holmes are the only players I would list as promising.

 

[year of the cat]

We've got a reasonable draft hand, now it's time to nail the picks.

Would you trade up or just use the existing picks?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Unlikely now they have taken the Dogs player. From listening to Wells yesterday I reckon we are a big chance to get him.

I think geelong and hawthorn are the two clubs that have been linked most to brander.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Would you trade up or just use the existing picks?

I really can't answer that because I haven't followed any underage footy this year so have no idea on the calibre of players in the draft apart from highlights.

I do like the picks we have though given its meant to be an even draft.

 

[year of the cat]

O'Connor, Ratugolea, Close and Miers project to be role players. Parfitt might end up a B Grader. Henry and possibly Holmes are the only players I would list as promising.

I’d add De Koning, Stevens and I think even Neale looks promising too. But compared to just about every other club, the quality of our youth is terrible.

We really need to nail this draft. And the next one or two at least.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Disagree. Our under 25s of Parfitt, O’Connor, Ratugolea, Close, Henry, Miers and Holmes are all very promising.

And simpson and i think evans and de koning will be very good. As will stengle if he doesnt mess up off field.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Disagree. Our under 25s of Parfitt, O’Connor, Ratugolea, Close, Henry, Miers and Holmes are all very promising.

It's a very thin pool of young talent compared to other clubs. I think we have basically seen the extent of the players MOC, Miers, Close and Parfitt will be, and while they may be good enough to maintain a spot in the best 22, they're not likely to be key players driving success in the next generation. Sav is still a green prospect who you hope could become something, but more often than that players like that do not.

Holmes had a decent first few games. Throughout the 2010s we had a few early picks look good in their first season and then not much after. Clark springs to mind.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Would you trade up or just use the existing picks?

I would definitely trade up for the right player but i might wait til draft night to do it unless circumstances require us to do it now.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Not really. Season 2022 will soon be upon us. We don’t have a high pick this draft we are all in next year for September again and then flop so we won’t get a high end pick next draft. We have shipped off Clark & Krueger and not really anything outstanding in the under 25 brigade at our club compared to many other clubs. It’s not laughable actually it’s very very real.

If you're retiring a bunch of blokes next year is the perfect year.
If you think that we're winning the premiership in 2023 you may have unreasonable expectations but if you're going to pick a point to rebuild from next year is a good choice

 

[year of the cat]

I would definitely trade up for the right player but i might wait til draft night to do it unless circumstances require us to do it now.

I would wait with the proviso that if the Brisbane pick 18 was accessible for the right price now, I’d just get it. Leap in front of the likes of Freo, Melbourne, Rich, Haw that could pinch a player from under us.

 

[CategoryCRookie]

Unlikely now they have taken the Dogs player. From listening to Wells yesterday I reckon we are a big chance to get him.

I found it kind of weird that Brander's own agent was talking him up as a second/third forward. Not sure we've indicated interest if that's what he's going out and pitching Brander as because we definitely need someone to be a KPD option more. I'd also think more clubs would be interested generally if he wasn't talking up a 196cm player as just a potential third option in the forward line.

 

[Pollywaffle]

There were others at the club that were uncomfortable with how Clark was being treated. I'm not saying he is perfect, obviously he made some mistakes. In the WAFL he was regarded as very professional and a great kid in his draft by senior players and talk that he was a good developing leader. Just a frustrating outcome that someone with his talent that he showed in year one from a super draft leaves for a pick in the 20s.

Yes. If he kicks on elsewhere it will be an indictment of our system..interesting to see what happens

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Yes. If he kicks on elsewhere it will be an indictment of our system..interesting to see what happens

In the 2010s the only kid (i.e. teenager from the draft) we developed to some level of quality was Guthrie. The idea that we're a good development club is dead. Seemed to stop as soon as Scott took over.

 

[year of the cat]

I found it kind of weird that Brander's own agent was talking him up as a second/third forward. Not sure we've indicated interest if that's what he's going out and pitching Brander as because we definitely need someone to be a KPD option more. I'd also think more clubs would be interested generally if he wasn't talking up a 196cm player as just a potential third option in the forward line.

I didn’t hear his agent’s interview. But Wells was certainly not dismissive of Brander when he was asked about him. He also said we “have some list management challenges” having lost both Henderson and Krueger in one go. Having now delisted Constable, if I was a betting on it, I’d say we’ll be looking to pick him up.

 

[Wojcinski]

remember that while we have lost a few young players, we are replacing them with draft picks likely to be used on even younger players

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I would wait with the proviso that if the Brisbane pick 18 was accessible for the right price now, I’d just get it. Leap in front of the likes of Freo, Melbourne, Rich, Haw that could pinch a player from under us.

I agree some guys i really like such as knevitt sonsie chesser and even brown i can see going just before 22 (from 13 or so onwards) so i wouldnt be against trading into the teens for the right offer.

 

[Big little cat]

I'm actually heavily on board with getting Greg Clark, if it was possible. Eagles are keen, and we could take him before them (again). If he wants to go home in 2 years (doubtful), they'll have to pay a premium, haha.

But seriously, I reckon this would be a hell of a draft period:

Delist Constable

Trade picks 30, 50 and Carlton Future 3rd to Dogs for Pick 23 and a Future 4th

Pick 22: Tom Brown
Pick 23: Mitch Knevitt
Pick 32: Toby Conway/Zac Taylor
Pick 34: Greg Clark
Rookie Pick: Blake Schlensog (if he agrees to it)
Rookie Pick: Jackson McLachlin
Rookie Pick: Jarrod Brander (if he agrees to it) OR - Re-Rookie: Charlie Constable
DFA: Tyson Stengle
Rookie upgrade: Close (more likely to be poached as young and talented)
Rookie maintain (Atkins - with an agreement to be upgraded next year)

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Thoughts peeps?

Greg Clark is certainly worthy of a list spot. He is capable of playing straight away. Good size. Good kick. He has a history of shoulder injuries.

 

[CategoryCRookie]

I didn’t hear his agent’s interview. But Wells was certainly not dismissive of Brander when he was asked about him. He also said we “have some list management challenges” having lost both Henderson and Krueger in one go. Having now delisted Constable, if I was a betting on it, I’d say we’ll be looking to pick him up.

Interesting, I didn't hear that Wells interview so that's definitely good to know. If Wells thinks he can play down back then I'd definitely be taking one of him or Schenslog as a DFA. Trade one of the picks around 30 if we can get a FR2 for it (if we don't package up two picks to move up already) and take four kids (or three and Greg Clark) + a KPD DFA and I'll be a lot happier about the general shape of our list.

 

[BORIS332]

I collated all of the phantom draft data and it seems these are the MIDs that will be available at our 2nd round picks (of course, Wells will probably see it differently):

Blake Howes (Vic Metro) 190cm, 79kg - FWD/MID
A hard-working lead-up half forward or wingman, Howes is only a mid-size player but has a real presence in the air and an impressive work rate. Athletically gifted, he also has good agility and is super quick, having recorded the equal- eighth best time in the 20m sprint at the NAB League pre-season testing day with a time of 2.94 seconds. The NAB AFL Academy member and St Bede’s College student had a quiet game for the AFL Academy side against Geelong’s VFL team in April, logging only three disposals. However, Howes showed a lot more in the NAB League this season. He was moved onto a wing for the Dragons in his final few games where he was able to showcase his strong run and carry as well as his overhead marking ability, becoming an important link-up player between the arcs. He was also an All-Australian at under-16 level.

Campbell Chesser (Vic Country) 186cm, 83kg - MID
An athletic rebounding defender or wingman, Chesser is considered to be one of the brightest prospects in this year’s draft pool. The captain of Vic Country’s under-16 side in 2019 and a former national level athletics ace, Chesser has a good mix of speed and endurance as well as good skills. Hailing from Albury, Chesser is boarding at Melbourne Grammar this year to complete his Year 12 studies, while playing for the Dragons in the NAB League. Chesser tore the meniscus in his knee in his second game of the season for the Dragons, which put him on the sidelines for the AFL Academy game against Geelong’s VFL team in April and kept him off the track while he was supposed to be training at Hawthorn. But recruiters are well aware of his talent, as a player that loves to run and carry and has plenty of flair with his ball use.

Connor MacDonald (Vic Country) 184cm, 77kg - MID/FWD
A prolific onballer, MacDonald played in only four NAB League games this season but finished third in the competition for average ranking points among players who featured in at least two games. He rated elite for disposals, contested possessions, marks, goals and score involvements and didn’t have fewer than 24 touches across the four matches. MacDonald’s stoppage craft is lauded and his ability to read taps off the ruckmen’s hands sets him apart with his clearance game. But he has also developed a strong outside game, has good speed and runs hard both ways. For both the Stingrays and Vic Country he has been used as a link-up player coming out of defence, a testament to his strong work rate around the ground to provide an option. MacDonald finished with the equal-most touches of any Vic Country player in its Challenge Match against Vic Metro in July, logging 25 disposals, six clearances, five marks and six inside-50s.

Jesse Motlop (Western Australia) 176cm, 75kg - FWD/MID - Fremantle NGA
The skilful speedster is the son of former Port Adelaide and North Melbourne forward Daniel, and he has the brilliant goal sense of his father. After booting six goals, and impressing through the midfield, in four WAFL Colts games to start the year and starring for Aquinas College, Motlop made his League debut for South Fremantle in July. With his second disposal at senior level, Motlop won the ball off hands at ground level and split two Swan Districts defenders twice, before handing off to a teammate who sent the Bulldogs forward, highlighting his sublime ability through traffic and clean hands. The teenager is part of Fremantle’s Next Generation Academy but he’s unlikely to be available after pick No. 40, when the Dockers would be eligible to match a bid.

Marcus Windhager (Vic Metro) 183cm, 82kg - MID - St Kilda NGA
Coming back from an ACL injury suffered in 2019, Windhager only resumed full training in February this year after a lengthy recovery and consequently had a slower start to the season. However, the high half-forward or midfielder stepped up to every challenge that came his way as the year progressed. A former elite junior in basketball, Winghager represented Australia at the 2018 FIBA Under-15 Oceania Basketball Championships where he helped his country to a gold medal. But football has been the Haileybury College student’s main priority. Windhager has explosive speed off the mark, can weave his way through traffic in the contest, has clean hands and solid foot skills. He caught the eye of recruiters with an impressive performance in a Vic Metro trial game at Werribee in June and recorded 12 disposals and a goal for Vic Metro in its Challenge Match against Vic Country in July.

Mitchell Knevitt (Vic Country) 181cm, 77kg - MID
A strong inside midfielder, Knevitt has climbed up draft boards across the course of the year after a consistent campaign with the Falcons. Knevitt rated elite in the NAB League for contested possessions, averaging 12.3 a game, and finished the season as Geelong’s second-ranked played behind Noah Gribble. Impressively, he also played four senior Geelong Football League matches for Grovedale, averaging 19.8 disposals. Knevitt has been likened to two-time Brownlow medallist Nat Fyfe given his size, running ability and aerial ability. He has clean and quick hands in stoppage situations and can also hurt opposition sides with his run and strong overhead marking when he gets in space. Knevitt was one of Vic County’s best performers in its Challenge Match against Vic Metro in July, logging 22 disposals, four clearances and six marks.

Sam Banks (Tasmania) 186cm, 73kg - DEF/MID
An awkward landing in a marking contest against Eastern Rangers in Round 4 of the NAB League resulted in a broken wrist for Banks in major blow to his top-age season. He consequently missed the AFL Academy game against Geelong’s VFL team in April and a bit of the season with the Devils, but the injury won’t hurt his draft chances come the end of the year. A rebounding defender, Banks had caught the eye of recruiters in his first two games of the season. The NAB AFL Academy member is damaging by foot, loves to run and take the game on possesses great leadership.

Sam Butler (Vic Country) 184cm, 73kg - FWD/MID
The younger brother of St Kilda forward and Richmond premiership player Dan Butler, the Rebels player is viewed as more advanced than his brother at the same age. A small to medium sized forward, he can also have a run onball and impact games with great speed and sound skills. Like his brother, he also loves the tackling and pressure side of the game. Butler missed some games with a chest injury in the middle part of the season but shone brightly in most NAB League games he did play this year, including a 27-disposal, five-clearance, seven-tackle and two-goal performance against Gippsland Power in Round 8. He is a player that AFL clubs have been keeping close tabs on throughout the year and is seen as someone who has all the traits to be able to step up to the top level.

Tyler Sonsie (Vic Metro) 181cm, 77kg - MID
A smooth mover with excellent foot skills, Sonsie is a player who runs hard to break the lines and finds plenty of the footy. Well exposed in 2019, he impressed during the under-16 national championships for Vic Metro and played six NAB League games for the Ranges including the Grand Final loss to Oakleigh Chargers. However, Sonsie has further stepped up his game this year, starring in the opening rounds of the NAB League season before earning a VFL opportunity with Box Hill. His debut VFL appearance against Werribee in Round 4 was stunning, with Sonsie logging 24 disposals, six clearances and two goals. The AFL Academy member also played in April’s clash against Geelong’s VFL team but was relatively quiet in that match. He missed Vic Metro’s Challenge Match against Vic Country in July with a knee injury, but is still viewed as a likely top-10 pick.

Zac Taylor (Vic Metro) 180cm, 74kg - MID
A damaging right-foot kick and clearance beast, Taylor is an inside midfielder who is as tough as nails and works as hard as anyone. One of the top-rated players in the NAB League this season, the Cannons’ ace ranked elite in the competition for disposals, marks, clearances and score involvements. He rarely wastes the ball by foot, is agile on his feet, is composed under pressure, has clean and quick hands at stoppage and has taken his work rate and leadership to new levels this season. He is also defensively-minded with a strong tackling and pressure side of his game and laid nine tackles in one NAB League game against Geelong Falcons this year. Taylor featured in one match for Essendon’s VFL side this year and was one of Vic Metro’s better players in its Challenge Match against Vic Country in July, logging 21 disposals, five marks and four clearances. Across his final three NAB League he averaged 168 SuperCoach ranking points to put some icing on the cake and further pique the interest of recruiters. Taylor also made his senior football debut for Oak Park in the Essendon District Football League this year.


Edit: all write-ups from NewsCorp's draft dossier.

 

[Turbocat]

I’d happily give up our 34 and future 2nd round pick for there 23

Thats a lot. Maybe Carltons R3...


But one thing to remember. is when still only end up with a pick that will get a round 2 player. Potentially better than who we get at R3 ..but he is not a single figure kid.