Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[Baudolino]

Im aware but cotchin and riewoldt will go within the next 18 months you suspect as will houli and edwards and grimes and astbury will either be close behind them or go onto reduced $. Thats a lot of cap freed up.

Riewoldt has more than one season left in him.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Where has this idea that Bolton will leave Richmond come from? Is there any basis for thinking it might happen? He seems pretty happy there to me tbh.

Not much..he is OOC but his manager said he is likely to stay.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Riewoldt has more than one season left in him.

Im not sure of that and regardless his $ will drop (same as selwoods will in his last couple of years with us) which will free up cap room for them.

 

[year of the cat]

Yep you and i think the same especially re loss of face. If they lose cerra unless they get bolton no chance they trade darcy as well. In terms of value i reckon darcy is worth one top 10 pick plus another in the 15-20 range (i know thats a steep price but quality rucks are rarer than mids)and we are unlikely to have or be able to directly get a top 10 pick. Currently id rate clark as worth a mid R2, narkle a R3 and neale probably R3/4 mark (i rate the first two especially as players but i dont think their trade value is that high). So if you consider say pick 5-10 and a late R1 (with maybe something later coming back) as darcys fair value you probably need to be giving up all of our Fr1, essendons R2,clark and narkle before its approaching fair..im still not sure even at that pricd that they would trade him..hed have to push hard to want out.

That would be a lot more than I’d be prepared to give up for him. That’s probably effectively more than what we gave up to secure Cameron when you consider than Clark and Narkle represent better talent than what was available in last years draft with the first rounders we have to GWS.

If that would be Freo’s demand I’d walk away and look at other ruck options.

 

[catempire]

Where has this idea that Bolton will leave Richmond come from? Is there any basis for thinking it might happen? He seems pretty happy there to me tbh.

He’s happy playing there but unhappy with the money they are offering him. He could get a big payday by moving. Not saying he will but that’s what the speculation is about.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Just reading through the post about this being a record team in terms of 30+ players and thinking of what the team will look like without them.
Obviously not all going next year but it would be good to see who the replacements are

Hawkins - Ratugolea
Rohan - Jarvis
Smith - Holmes
Blicavs - DeKoning
Tuohy- Clark
Henderson - Kreuger
Duncan - Narkle
Selwood- Constable
Higgins - Evans
Dangerfield- Cooper-Stephens

Will definitely need to see some of these players cementing their spot this year or next and bring in some trades to compliment
That being said I only see Higgins as a big chance to go end of year

You left out Simpson. He might be the best of the kids.

 

[Down at K Park]

Where has this idea that Bolton will leave Richmond come from? Is there any basis for thinking it might happen? He seems pretty happy there to me tbh.

It’s coming from the same place as the darcy wants to come to geelong rumour. From someones arse.

Yet half the guys on here are taking it as gospel.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

That would be a lot more than I’d be prepared to give up for him. That’s probably effectively more than what we gave up to secure Cameron when you consider than Clark and Narkle represent better talent than what was available in last years draft with the first rounders we have to GWS.

If that would be Freo’s demand I’d walk away and look at other ruck options.

I rate clark and narkle but im not sure id rate them above the top 20 last year. Honestly paying a late 1st and players who are equivalent to worth of picks in the 20s and 30s isnt crazy overs for darcy imo.

The issue for us is there arent many other good ruck options on the market so its darcy or not much and i dont think we can afford to waste our current window with no ruck..i think you have to pay the market cost to fix that issue..its a risk bjt it could pay off hugely.

 

[MacStradbroke]

Thru to the keeper. Nothing like Ablett.

Mitch Knevitt.

Id say he is playing roles forward, back and and mid. I think he may be another who has grown a lot and is now a player who is adapting to his height.
Green as Kermit but in a year where there is little info , the two games I watched I ahve liked him. The last two week the Falcons have beaten the top two teams , and have found form and this kid and few others have contributed.

Gribble was another that I can see with development could become something but is a long way to go. He has that sort of Duncan look around the ball. The kid for Bendigo who stood out was Harvey Gallagher.

There is talent but it would not surprise me if takes a while to bleed thru at afl level.

Yeah I didn’t get that comparison either. I did see Knevitt play a few times through u/14 and u/16 levels and he was pretty tall so theres no Mitch Brown like late growth spurt Going on. He was pretty good then, played along side Indi Parish and Cooper Whyte who is at the falcons and was the pick of them.

 

[year of the cat]

I rate clark and narkle but im not sure id rate them above the top 20 last year. Honestly paying a late 1st and players who are equivalent to worth of picks in the 20s and 30s isnt crazy overs for darcy imo.

The issue for us is there arent many other good ruck options on the market so its darcy or not much and i dont think we can afford to waste our current window with no ruck..i think you have to pay the market cost to fix that issue..its a risk bjt it could pay off hugely.

This is where the value of draft picks gets a bit inflated. I’d easily take those two players against the ones that GWS took last year. I’d even take them in front of the Henry boy that the Pies picked up.

Put it this way, when we traded for Ottens he was twice the player that Darcy was. And we only gave up Moloney and a pick in the teens from memory. Either inflation on rucks has gone insane or that scenario you’ve suggested is a little OTT.

Clark plus a future first should be enough. Maybe an exchange of second and a third rounder to their benefit as a sweetener if absolutely needed.

 

[MacStradbroke]

If we are talking falcons, Otis Clark‘s kid (Jai) from Q’cliff is an absolute jet. Bottom ager so not draftable yet and is an awkward height for the type of player he is but he can seriously play.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Any idea what type of player Mooney's son is?

 

[Turbocat]

Yeah I didn’t get that comparison either. I did see Knevitt play a few times through u/14 and u/16 levels and he was pretty tall so theres no Mitch Brown like late growth spurt Going on. He was pretty good then, played along side Indi Parish and Cooper Whyte who is at the falcons and was the pick of them.

In discussion with the draftcentral boys there was some dispute over height .. so I presumed it was a late growth spurt. Shifter called it 193 yesteday and the resonates with the look of him. I could see him being anoth player similar but different to SDek. be happy to add someone like that and just be patient. No idea where he will go but in a year where height talent is down, he may start to get more attention.

Cooper Whyte busy little player. I think the Bendigo side mids were probably better but the Falcon side is really putting in Corrigan and Lonigan seem to be getting a bit out of them. The Grovedale boy at FF probably needs a strict diet and training but he looks like he can play. Nice kick.

 

[Turbocat]

He’s happy playing there but unhappy with the money they are offering him. He could get a big payday by moving. Not saying he will but that’s what the speculation is about.

Just how much is not enough I wonder. He may find being a big dollar player in purple a lot harder than at punt road

 

[Turbocat]

Im not sure of that and regardless his $ will drop (same as selwoods will in his last couple of years with us) which will free up cap room for them.

If I was Riewoldt, and considering what he could do in the future. Id play for beer money to finish it off.. Surely not short of a dollar... but I guess there is pride involved as well.

 

[catempire]

Just how much is not enough I wonder. He may find being a big dollar player in purple a lot harder than at punt road

Some players who have had success don’t mind that kind of move. With two medallions the money and home proximity might be a big pull.

 

[MacStradbroke]

Just how much is not enough I wonder. He may find being a big dollar player in purple a lot harder than at punt road

This definitely, happens all the time. Recent example, Tim Kelly is a gun no doubt, but a lot easier being the third or fourth banana at the Cats to the main man in the Eagles midfield. For us, imagine how many mids have feasted off the back of Joel Selwood over the last decade.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

That would be a lot more than I’d be prepared to give up for him. That’s probably effectively more than what we gave up to secure Cameron when you consider than Clark and Narkle represent better talent than what was available in last years draft with the first rounders we have to GWS.

If that would be Freo’s demand I’d walk away and look at other ruck options.

Also if you take the cameron deal on current ladder positions (15 18 23 and 70 out and 26 and 27 in) the DVI value is pick 9.
If you rate the following:
FR1 at 15
Clark at 25 (reasonable given what hes shown)
Narkle at 40 (which is probably about what wed get if he was traded).
Thats a DVI of pick 3.

Given darcy is 5 years younger than jezza and rucks and key forwards are the most scarce trade commodities to get..i wouldnt have thought thats an outrageous price while hes in contract etc.
But i get if others see that as too much..as i said ot will take a lot.

 

[Turbocat]

This is where the value of draft picks gets a bit inflated. I’d easily take those two players against the ones that GWS took last year. I’d even take them in front of the Henry boy that the Pies picked up.

Put it this way, when we traded for Ottens he was twice the player that Darcy was. And we only gave up Moloney and a pick in the teens from memory. Either inflation on rucks has gone insane or that scenario you’ve suggested is a little OTT.

Clark plus a future first should be enough. Maybe an exchange of second and a third rounder to their benefit as a sweetener if absolutely needed.

I would not dispute that the value of draft picks can be silly. If anything the way we have recruited is based on the fact that others over value draft and under value older players that are knowns. The draft process had more value when players were almost tied to the club of drafting imo. Now not so much. You only have a short period of time to convince a player that he is at the right club and to utilise him. Thats risky for any drafted kid. Look at the JUH rumour. Even worse for talls or for players drafted to strong clubs. I suspect one could argue our best success recently in the draft have been when we have drafted older. Close. Stewart. Mengola. Blitz.

Id say the club agrees with you when they lost Kelly and used what ever to get Cameron because he was an older known commodity.

 

[MacStradbroke]

Also if you take the cameron deal on current ladder positions (15 18 23 and 70 out and 26 and 27 in) the DVI value is pick 9.
If you rate the following:
FR1 at 15
Clark at 25 (reasonable given what hes shown)
Narkle at 40 (which is probably about what wed get if he was traded).
Thats a DVI of pick 3.

Given darcy is 5 years younger than jezza and rucks and key forwards are the most scarce trade commodities to get..i wouldnt have thought thats an outrageous price while hes in contract etc.
But i get if others see that as too much..as i said ot will take a lot.

all I read then was Cameron for pick 9!!!!!

 

[Turbocat]

Also if you take the cameron deal on current ladder positions (15 18 23 and 70 out and 26 and 27 in) the DVI value is pick 9.
If you rate the following:
FR1 at 15
Clark at 25 (reasonable given what hes shown)
Narkle at 40 (which is probably about what wed get if he was traded).
Thats a DVI of pick 3.

Given darcy is 5 years younger than jezza and rucks and key forwards are the most scarce trade commodities to get..i wouldnt have thought thats an outrageous price while hes in contract etc.
But i get if others see that as too much..as i said ot will take a lot.

We still need to see what the R2's deliver for it may be better than a late 20's pick.

 

[Turbocat]

That would be a lot more than I’d be prepared to give up for him. That’s probably effectively more than what we gave up to secure Cameron when you consider than Clark and Narkle represent better talent than what was available in last years draft with the first rounders we have to GWS.

If that would be Freo’s demand I’d walk away and look at other ruck options.

I think we best keep options open. Who else would appeal to you.

 

[Vdubs]

You left out Simpson. He might be the best of the kids.

True, but hardly a kid when this happens, 23yo tomorrow.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

True, but hardly a kid when this happens, 23yo tomorrow.

Hi Vdubs. Your right, I didn’t know he was that age.
You would have been over the moon with Geelong on Thursday night surely.

 

[year of the cat]

I think we best keep options open. Who else would appeal to you.

Not really sure to be honest. Haven’t looked into it. Maybe one of the young GWS’s rucks?