Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[PzBlinky]

He is rel to discuss as Darcy or any other potential recruit. He is OOC and FA that make him far more obtainable than Darcy, especially when we do not have an R1 this year. I also think he has shown more as a ruck than most potential recruits. Has spring and can mark around the ground.

OK, fair enough. I was just wondering why he would be a better choice than say Fort, other than age and apparently his papers being stamped.

But yeah, he's not a bad player by any stretch and could be a way to free up Blicavs, giving SDK and Neale etc. more time to come on.

Again though, there's nothing linking him to us though?

 

[Turbocat]

OK, fair enough. I was just wondering why he would be a better choice than say Fort, other than age and apparently his papers being stamped.

But yeah, he's not a bad player by any stretch and could be a way to free up Blicavs, giving SDK and Neale etc. more time to come on.

Again though, there's nothing linking him to us though?

He will probably land at Ess but this is a discussion forum. He is one of the few that has played and exhibited the type of triats we have show we like. Stanley is being over looked. Fort is being over looked. And Sav , who may be our first choice is not that much different in the ruck to Chol. None of them are great rucks imo.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

What is you preferred approach for ruck?

Someone that can actually ruck.

I still think we'll end up with Darcy. If not, I'd be trying to entice Flynn from GWS or Meek.

Then I'd be developing players at VFL level in the position they're best suited.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

OK, fair enough. I was just wondering why he would be a better choice than say Fort, other than age and apparently his papers being stamped.

But yeah, he's not a bad player by any stretch and could be a way to free up Blicavs, giving SDK and Neale etc. more time to come on.

Again though, there's nothing linking him to us though?

Fort is older and doesn’t have the abilities Chol does. In pure ruck work Chol has a bit of work to do. But he’s very handy around the ground and looks like he could develop further. A lot of discussions have been about a ruck to target. Chol is one of the few ruck free agents so is certainly worth discussing. He does seem like the type of ruck our coaches like but I don’t think he’ll end up at geelong or stay at the tigers.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Someone that can actually ruck.

I still think we'll end up with Darcy. If not, I'd be trying to entice Flynn from GWS or Meek.

Then I'd be developing players at VFL level in the position they're best suited.

Are you referring to Neale in the vfl? He seems just as likely to be a forward from what I’ve seen. How many games did they play him back 3?
It’s a balance with the talls in the vfl team to develop and make sure some players are ready for the afl now.
I don’t think Neale will be a defender but he’s a while away from playing afl no harm experiencing the game from different spots.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Are you referring to Neale in the vfl? He seems just as likely to be a forward from what I’ve seen. How many games did they play him back 3?
It’s a balance with the talls in the vfl team to develop and make sure some players are ready for the afl now.
I don’t think Neale will be a defender but he’s a while away from playing afl no harm experiencing the game from different spots.

Yes Neale.

His confidence looks shot playing at FB.

As you said, he'll never be a defender so it's a waste of development.

It's staggering.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Yes Neale.

His confidence looks shot playing at FB.

As you said, he'll never be a defender so it's a waste of development.

It's staggering.

He has other ahead of him to play ruck atm Stanley and Fort at least.
Where would you play him?
Up forward with Jenkins could be good for his development.

 

[PzBlinky]

Fort is older and doesn’t have the abilities Chol does. In pure ruck work Chol has a bit of work to do. But he’s very handy around the ground and looks like he could develop further. A lot of discussions have been about a ruck to target. Chol is one of the few ruck free agents so is certainly worth discussing. He does seem like the type of ruck our coaches like but I don’t think he’ll end up at geelong or stay at the tigers.

Yep, Fort's 28(?) so he's probably only got a few good years left. But in the games I've seen him in play in the VFL, he's been bloody good especially round the ground (obviously lower level of competition) and been BOG or in the top 2-3 most games.

Chol is good around the ground but as you say, got a bit of work to do in the ruck. I'm not sure he's cut out for #1 ruck role, and if we're looking for a Stanley replacement, he'd be an expedient choice but not necessarily the best one.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

He has other ahead of him to play ruck atm Stanley and Fort at least.
Where would you play him?
Up forward with Jenkins could be good for his development.

Up forward and in the ruck. If they aren't willing to play Fort now they never will. There's no point stifling the development of a promising young player and playing someone who'll never make it in his place.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I'm not sure Clark has dropped too much in value and I reckon that Narkle, if this vein of form continues, will be worth far more than pick 40. Anyway, semantics. I, personally, wouldn't be giving up both those players plus a first to get a guy who is admittedly showing a fair bit of promise, but isn't, to my mind anyway, anywhere near elite. Maybe I'll change my mind during the season. Looking forward to seeing Darcy play against us.

I really rate Clark and Narkle but in both cases their trade value is lower in thr market than that. Historical data tells you most R1 picks traded after 2/3 years get less in a trade than the original pick they were drafted at unless they are clearly best 22 which clark isnt. And narkle was available to all clubs late in the trade period last year for a late pick and had no takers, now if he becomes best 22 in thr next 6 weeks and dominates its possible hed then be worth a top 20 pick on the market but if the trade period ended tomorrow the market would be unlikely to pay a pick inside 40 for him. To me thats just reality.

My point therefore is a future 1st and clark is only approaching fair for darcy if you think clark is worth a high first round pick in the market and i doubt he is. Otherwise its basically pick 10-20 + p25 (clark) and if you had a potentially AA level 23yo ruck would you trade him for that? I expect darcy is worth more than that to the market and if we get him it will cost us a lot more than that i think.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

No to Chol..hes ok but hes not a no1 ruck hes only playing there because all their other rucks are injured..we dont need any more utility talls we need a clear durable capable no1 ruck (ie we need darcy or a cheaper player of that type).

I do rate both briggs and flynn but i think both being academy players will be very hard to prise out. More likely preuss moves clubs again probably.

I havent seen much of meek but freo wont ever really be able to fit him and darcy in the same side their preferred model will always be darcy 80 % plus lobb or treacy or cox pinch hitting the rest...it doesnt make sense to play 2 specialist rucks. So if he has ability you could likely tempt him with more gametime.

 

[bulletproof]

Key defence is a much bigger issue than ruck, if we lose a big final, I feel it will be because of key defence, not a ruck.

That being said, Darcy is a quality player and I would definitely be happy with him.

No other options interest me, they are no better than what we have. I don’t really worry about our ruck situation.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Key defence is a much bigger issue than ruck, if we lose a big final, I feel it will be because of key defence, not a ruck.

That being said, Darcy is a quality player and I would definitely be happy with him.

No other options interest me, they are no better than what we have. I don’t really worry about our ruck situation.

I don't think it is.

I rate both Kreuger and SDK as key defenders and we still have Hendo playing well enough to go another year. Then there's Blicavs as well.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Key defence is a much bigger issue than ruck, if we lose a big final, I feel it will be because of key defence, not a ruck.

That being said, Darcy is a quality player and I would definitely be happy with him.

No other options interest me, they are no better than what we have. I don’t really worry about our ruck situation.

If you get a proper ruck blicavs can play full back which addresses the key defence issue. It solves 2 positions.

Do you really not worry about our rucks? Our cavalcade of options weve tried in 10 years since ottens would suggest it remains a major problem.

 

[year of the cat]

If you get a proper ruck blicavs can play full back which addresses the key defence issue. It solves 2 positions.

Do you really not worry about our rucks? Our cavalcade of options weve tried in 10 years since ottens would suggest it remains a major problem.

I’m not sure Blicavs is a full time KPD. He lacks defensive smarts. His big benefit is his tank such that he can play as a relieving ruck and push hard back to assist in the back 50. I think SDK is going to be a better option in that key defensive post pretty quickly.

 

[bombersboy]

Problem with Blicavs on the last line is that he is always a chance for a deer in the headlights moment when tackled and is a heart in the mouth job with ball in hand unless going long down the line.

 

[Wojcinski]

How would people feel if we could somehow turn Narkle and Clark into Sean Darcy?

 

[MacStradbroke]

Sean Darcy is a gun, will be one of the very best ruckman for the next ten years, if it’s possible make it happen Cats. I rate Clark but if he’s needed to secure Darcy then move him on.

 

[GeelongFTW]

If you get a proper ruck blicavs can play full back which addresses the key defence issue. It solves 2 positions.

Do you really not worry about our rucks? Our cavalcade of options weve tried in 10 years since ottens would suggest it remains a major problem.

It is worth noting that blitz is a much better ruck now than early days.

 

[Drunkcat]

I don't think we will get Darcy so maybe look at Meek he has been playing well in the WAFL cost less than Darcy..Look at the ones not getting a game

 

[Drunkcat]

How would people feel if we could somehow turn Narkle and Clark into Sean Darcy?

Would take that every day of the week Ruckman are to hard to find

 

[catempire]

I’m not sure Blicavs is a full time KPD. He lacks defensive smarts. His big benefit is his tank such that he can play as a relieving ruck and push hard back to assist in the back 50. I think SDK is going to be a better option in that key defensive post pretty quickly.

Until SDK proves to be more useful elsewhere.

 

[year of the cat]

Until SDK proves to be more useful elsewhere.

Glen Jacovich was pretty useful as a CHB who could occasionally play forward. He might end up that type.

 

[standupand]

How would people feel if we could somehow turn Narkle and Clark into Sean Darcy?

It answers a present need, but ultimately I'd prefer to keep Narkle in the long term. Lack of midfield depth will be a bigger issue for us in few years time than our ruck woes.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Lot of talk about Sean Darcy on here and for good reason.

Though Fremantle also have Lloyd Meek on their list, and a is similar type of ruckman. Identical height, similar weight, and more that lumbering type of ruck. He is achieving pretty good stats in the WAFL this year, and would cost just about nothing in a trade.

Lloyd Meek | WAFL

www.wafl.com.au

A few people on here liked Meek in the draft year, as good smoky pick.

Having said that, Sean Darcy has better foot skills, and somewhat seems a little more agile, composed, and is just the better player. I'm not saying Meek lacks in those areas, but just saying Darcy ranks slightly better in those areas.

Both rucks are entering their prime years, and both are effectively local boys to the Geelong/Ballarat region. So if we can't get one, we could get the other for very little.

Though with Neale's height and athleticism, he has very high upside if we hold onto him, but we won't see benefits for at least 3 years imho.

I'll chip in here, honestly, Meek is the one you should be going after. Poor dude is behind the best young ruck in the AFL but the times he got a game at the start of the year he 100% looks like he belongs.

He has better mobility and foot skills than Darcy, and is deceptively fast (while it was against Flynn and the witches hats version of GWS, watch our game against them for his work if your bored). He is already too good for WAFL and is still really young, I think he'll end up being a Witts story for someone, Sandi seems to be a real good developer of young rucks.

As Pure_Ownage has said, if you actually managed to convince Darcy to leave (and by all accounts he loves it here), he would cost you something you would be very uncomfortable with until he likely wins you a flag. Compare his stats to Gawn for this year and understand he just turned 23.