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[catempire]

Maybe - but a lot changes in 12 months. Including Geelong's approach to list management now that Hocking is in the chair.

12 months on (today) if club 'x' approaches you and says they have an interest in Menegola - and at the right price - then it becomes a different conversation. And that's all I've been told. Doesn't mean it will happen obviously, but it might be the path to getting into the top 10 on draft night. And if it means Menegola gets seduced by the go home factor, then it might result in a deal being done.

But on the basis of go home factor alone - let's hope it's not Mitch Duncan. If the WA clubs are involved.

We did it! The 10th birthday of Mitch Duncan being speculated to go home!

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Maybe - but a lot changes in 12 months. Including Geelong's approach to list management now that Hocking is in the chair.

12 months on (today) if club 'x' approaches you and says they have an interest in Menegola - and at the right price - then it becomes a different conversation. And that's all I've been told. Doesn't mean it will happen obviously, but it might be the path to getting into the top 10 on draft night. And if it means Menegola gets seduced by the go home factor, then it might result in a deal being done.

But on the basis of go home factor alone - let's hope it's not Mitch Duncan. If the WA clubs are involved.

I cant see menegola going back to WA while his dad is here (albeit that covid can change things) the big offers he had last year were from vic.clubs it wasnt wce or freo.

 

[MacStradbroke]

Herald Sun reporting Geelong are trying to trade a package of picks to get inside the top 10.

No pressure on that kid if it eventuates!

 

[bombersboy]

I think it’s a massive chance

Kreuger and the pick in the 50's for future second yes otherwise no. You obviously underrate Kreuger

 

[catempire]

Say we are losing Fort, Jenkins, Jarvis, Taheny, Clark and Krueger from the main list. Say we upgrade Atkins and Close. That’s four main list spots.

We currently hold picks 30, 32, 34, 52, 88. For argument sake say we get 27 for Clark, a future 3rd for Kreuger and Brisbane’s 73 for Fort.

Our pick order is 27,30,32,34,52,73 and 88.

The first four picks are the ones we want to be using. 52, 73 and 88 are worthless and can be kicked into next year or packaged for something better.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

If we want brown we will try and get 13 off gws or 17 bulldogs or maybe 16 port..i cant see any chance of him going top 10..if we were truly going top 10 i doubt hed be the target.

I'd be surprised if he's in the first round TBH.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Atkins would have had to be elevated but the afl this year are allowing a 4th year for rookies.
Still i think we will elevate them..zuth and simpson werr different at that time as they were fringe players and not best 22.
If you look historically when rookies are best 22 we always elevate them at the end of that year-this goes right back to pods and happened with parsons etc. The only exception was us not elevating hendo at end 2020 but that was because he was so old we knew no one else would poach him. So i think its likely we elevate the other 2 and that affects how many picks we will use in this draft.

Yeah sure I mean there's what we've done historically but also if we wanted to we could. It's no skin off their nose too financially because they do get paid but the amount over their out of cap rookie allowance just comes out of the cap.

If we are in the likely position of not being able to secure an appropriate trade up or out then it's possible. I also think it's worth doing so we can have a small cohort of mids play together in the 2s for a year.

 

[gaz love x]

I would happily trade all our picks to get as high up the draft order as possible. If we have to take the last two picks in the draft then so be it, with limited vision on the draftees and Wells's history of picking left field players is the hit rate on picks 55 and 56 likely to be that different to 30 and 31? I don't think so, not this year. But there are definitely going to be players we like going in the top 15. Trading up makes more sense this year than in any other.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Say we are losing Fort, Jenkins, Jarvis, Taheny, Clark and Krueger from the main list. Say we upgrade Atkins and Close. That’s four main list spots.

We currently hold picks 30, 32, 34, 52, 88. For argument sake say we get 27 for Clark, a future 3rd for Kreuger and Brisbane’s 73 for Fort.

Our pick order is 27,32,34,52,73

Two scenarios:

We are in furious agreement then. I’m saying it makes no sense to trade 27 this year for a 2022 pick which is what I’ve heard suggested.

Agree..i wasnt suggesting to trade our earliest pick though (if you want to trade up on the night you keep the earliest pick as its your best trade up currency) i was saying to trade the later picks (34 and later). I was just explaining why we might do that as we dont have many free senior list spots.

Also your eg missed we hold pick 30.
For example start with 30 32 34 52 (now)
Clark and 34 for 25 and 27
Fort for 57
30 32 57 > dogs 17
Kreuger and 52> pies FR4 and lynch

Gives you 17 25 27 and an extra pick next year meaning the later picks that we would lose due to no list spots get us some value.
Etc.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I would happily trade all our picks to get as high up the draft order as possible. If we have to take the last two picks in the draft then so be it, with limited vision on the draftees and Wells's history of picking left field players is the hit rate on picks 55 and 56 likely to be that different to 30 and 31? I don't think so, not this year. But there are definitely going to be players we like going in the top 15. Trading up makes more sense this year than in any other.

I would go the other way..unless you are very sure of your talent id..in a year where most of the guys havent played id rather have a couple of later picks than one higher one. But then again we moved up for holmes whod played no footy (because we got wind melbourne were about to take him) so all it takes is one club rating a player to change things.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Kreuger and the pick in the 50's for future second yes otherwise no. You obviously underrate Kreuger

Pies have psd leverage we wont get that much.

 

[Turbocat]

If we want brown we will try and get 13 off gws or 17 bulldogs or maybe 16 port..i cant see any chance of him going top 10..if we were truly going top 10 i doubt hed be the target.

If we are trying to get into the top10, Mac Andrew?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If we are trying to get into the top10, Mac Andrew?

The thought had crossed my mind but geez thats a boom or bust pick. I reckon richmond with how many picks they have are in the best position to take that risk at 7..i wouldnt be brave enough to do it in our position. If we go that high it will be a midfielder imo.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Say we are losing Fort, Jenkins, Jarvis, Taheny, Clark and Krueger from the main list. Say we upgrade Atkins and Close. That’s four main list spots.

We currently hold picks 30, 32, 34, 52, 88. For argument sake say we get 27 for Clark, a future 3rd for Kreuger and Brisbane’s 73 for Fort.

Our pick order is 27,30,32,34,52,73 and 88.

The first four picks are the ones we want to be using. 52, 73 and 88 are worthless and can be kicked into next year or packaged for something better.

Agree albeit that those late picks will come in once bids are matched..eg 52 73 and 88 probably become 44 62 and 63 so they will have some trade value to other teams. The rest you are bang on correct.

 

[catempire]

Agree albeit that those late picks will come in once bids are matched..eg 52 73 and 88 probably become 44 62 and 63 so they will have some trade value to other teams. The rest you are bang on correct.

Yeah I mean worthless to us in the sense we won’t use them. If we can package them up for an earlier pick or create value for 2022, great.

 

[gaz love x]

I would go the other way..unless you are very sure of your talent id..in a year where most of the guys havent played id rather have a couple of later picks than one higher one. But then again we moved up for holmes whod played no footy (because we got wind melbourne were about to take him) so all it takes is one club rating a player to change things.

We're taking the same number of picks regardless though right. And you don't actually want to take more than you have to anyway because there'll be more certainty in next year's draft. I think at the back end of the draft you're likely to have players high up your board remaining because there are so many unknowns. But there's always going to be more consensus at the top end. My argument is the difference between second round and back-of-draft picks is likely to be very low this year, but there's always a bracket of obvious talent you can only get in the first round.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We're taking the same number of picks regardless though right. And you don't actually want to take more than you have to anyway because there'll be more certainty in next year's draft. I think at the back end of the draft you're likely to have players high up your board remaining because there are so many unknowns. But there's always going to be more consensus at the top end. My argument is the difference between second round and back-of-draft picks is likely to be very low this year, but there's always a bracket of obvious talent you can only get in the first round.

Maybe i just think there will be more misses at the top end this year and more undervalued gems in later rounds than a normal year so id rather have 27 30 32 34 than say 12 52 55 and 57 if that makes sense. But i agree on the night it fully depends on how things go..if someone of quality slides you move and trade up for sure..it worked with holmes.

 

[Turbocat]

The thought had crossed my mind but geez thats a boom or bust pick. I reckon richmond with how many picks they have are in the best position to take that risk at 7..i wouldnt be brave enough to do it in our position. If we go that high it will be a midfielder imo.

Multiple articles seem to have him in that range now ..so I dont think it will be a surprise him being taken there... it just if the club rate him above other prospects. 200 perhaps 202 buy the time he is finished. Doe we try to add a Jackson, Naughton tall type to develop.. or do we add mids (which we need imo). Just how highly does the club rate the potential of our young mids we have?

8. Mac Andrew (Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country)
Ruckman, 200cm, 70kg

Andrew has shot up draft boards this year after an exciting season where he showed off his outstanding athleticism and spring for a prospect standing 200cm. The Demons Next Generation Academy product set tongues wagging in an eye-catching U19 Challenge performance for Vic Country, with his intercept marking a feature. New NGA rules barring clubs to match bids inside the top 20 mean Melbourne is set to miss out on Andrew.

Dan says: May take time but is a prospect with as much upside as any. His follow-up work at stoppages is another promising attribute.

Jordan says: I wouldn’t be surprised if a club takes a chance on Andrew before this mark, given his sky-high potential and eye-catching traits.

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There are several clubs trying to do the same thing, I think the cost would be significant to do it but so be it..if it secures guys that we think are real long term prosepct

Im not fussed to be honest we have to find a several high end kids over the next few years, so its just the start of trying to get early picks (I hope)

 

[And_ROOS]

Freo making out like bandits even at a late first

One passage there, Constable in for the contested ball, out to Parfitt, to Kelly, to a running Clark and goal.

Early 2019 we had Parfitt, Constable, Miers, Clark all in the team. We also looked very good early 2019 compared to late 2019 when we were much more defensive.

 

[Leeds17]

Clark is a bust. Would have been nice to have Duursma. But these things are always easier in hindsight. Pretty happy with the other picks. Very happy with Holmes, SDK, Evans and Neale.

I’d be a little hesitant to write of a 20yr who’s at the very least a fringe AFL caliber player who’s had plenty of injuries to deal with as well as the COVID stuff.

Josh Rachele.

Gun small forward with scope for midfield, would walk into our forward line, ballsy to move up for him, he’s mocked a bit all over the place.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Multiple articles seem to have him in that range now ..so I dont think it will be a surprise him being taken there... it just if the club rate him above other prospects. 200 perhaps 202 buy the time he is finished. Doe we try to add a Jackson, Naughton tall type to develop.. or do we add mids (which we need imo). Just how highly does the club rate the potential of our young mids we have?

8. Mac Andrew (Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country)
Ruckman, 200cm, 70kg

Andrew has shot up draft boards this year after an exciting season where he showed off his outstanding athleticism and spring for a prospect standing 200cm. The Demons Next Generation Academy product set tongues wagging in an eye-catching U19 Challenge performance for Vic Country, with his intercept marking a feature. New NGA rules barring clubs to match bids inside the top 20 mean Melbourne is set to miss out on Andrew.

Dan says: May take time but is a prospect with as much upside as any. His follow-up work at stoppages is another promising attribute.

Jordan says: I wouldn’t be surprised if a club takes a chance on Andrew before this mark, given his sky-high potential and eye-catching traits.

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There are several clubs trying to do the same thing, I think the cost would be significant to do it but so be it..if it secures guys that we think are real long term prosepct

Im not fussed to be honest we have to find a several high end kids over the next few years, so its just the start of trying to get early picks (I hope)

I can see why because his skills for a big guy are super and if he comes on its the ruck we have needed for years. But at 70kg his body might not handle putting the weight on and then youre left with a KPP who cant be KPP. As i said i think other clubs are in a position to take that list risk but we arent. Theres a few others id love in the top 10 though.

 

[catempire]

I’d be a little hesitant to write of a 20yr who’s at the very least a fringe AFL caliber player who’s had plenty of injuries to deal with as well as the COVID stuff.

Hesitate away. I’m happy to make the call.

 

[Wojcinski]

Stanley, who is going to be our ruckman the Rat?

Fort for a year or two until Neale or SDK are ready

Sav and Blicavs can pinch hit.

 

[Jumping Jack]

We did it! The 10th birthday of Mitch Duncan being speculated to go home!

Ease up. Never speculated - it was a tongue in cheek observation on the basis he'd be amongst a small group of 6-8 untouchables on our current list.

"Let's hope it's not" means exactly that.

 

[Turbocat]

I'd be surprised if he's in the first round TBH.

Brown does sort of sound like a Wells pick though. Link to the club. Perhaps under valued due to injury.

Any idea where Holmes was rated last year I think Cal T had him about 23. Do you know what number he has Brown at... have a guess.