Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[BORIS332]

Herald Sun reporting Geelong are trying to trade a package of picks to get inside the top 10.

Instead, as the Pies won just two of their last nine games, the Giants pulled off one of the great trade heists to secure the No.2 overall pick, which will shuffle to pick four after a pair of father-sons are taken off the board.

Rivals believe Andrew could go between picks 5-10 so, if rivals like Richmond are determined to secure that GWS pick, the Giants would be open to offers.

He is unlikely to be on the draft board when the Giants use their next selection at No.13.

Geelong is another club keen to secure an early selection by trading a package of its selections for a top-10 pick.

For a GWS side with three rucks in Braydon Preuss, Kieren Briggs and Matt Flynn, the decision to draft Andrew would come knowing there was no rush for him to make an instant impact.

Source: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...s/news-story/d70d564997b776e1e99b999f8ef01645

I haven't seen this anywhere else, so wonder where it's coming from.

 

[MacStradbroke]

I would happily trade all our picks to get as high up the draft order as possible. If we have to take the last two picks in the draft then so be it, with limited vision on the draftees and Wells's history of picking left field players is the hit rate on picks 55 and 56 likely to be that different to 30 and 31? I don't think so, not this year. But there are definitely going to be players we like going in the top 15. Trading up makes more sense this year than in any other.

Yeah my thinking this year is similar to yours. Picks in mid 30s or end of draft, that gap not the same as other years. i Reckon history might show that some gems were taken late in this draft with so many kids unable to showcase their development.

 

[Larry Donohue]

Sounds like they will let him go cheap but i dont see the fit for us.

Could take rohans spot moving forward

 

[Grimoz]

Source: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...s/news-story/d70d564997b776e1e99b999f8ef01645

I haven't seen this anywhere else, so wonder where it's coming from.

Sounds like a throw away line that has no merit, only to peak interest.

 

[Turbocat]

I can see why because his skills for a big guy are super and if he comes on its the ruck we have needed for years. But at 70kg his body might not handle putting the weight on and then youre left with a KPP who cant be KPP. As i said i think other clubs are in a position to take that list risk but we arent. Theres a few others id love in the top 10 though.

Im not advocating any one player , really if we landed P8 ..(for eg) you can not control who picks who before your pick. So if you are really being specific then you either have to trade earlier that you think he will go ..or do it on the night.

He seems a talented kid, so if we go that way fine..but if we somehow get into those top 10 picks , who ever we picks will be more highly rated than most we have draft in years. My bet there will be clubs that that would like to have any of the top 10 Hobbs played well, sort of looked like a real Joel replacement, apparently Rachelle already benches 115 and is a small forward that kicks goals and Johnson is a tall mid thats highly rated by some...

 

[Kitcat]

And that is what I want to see. SDK was an AA kpd. Throw him in, it's the only way he will learn. Enough of sacrificing our future by giving games to guys who are completely cooked come finals. It's a complete waste of time. What is the point of going after a guy who's been injured for over a year? He probably won't even get on the park.

I never said don't play SDK. What I am saying is the club will not want to go into next season with only Blicavs and SDK as tall talls. It is unlikely that the club intends to play SDK in every game. Ease him in. What if he has a bad patch? What if he and Blics get injured? What if we need to play 3 talls to counter the opposition? What if Blics is needed in the ruck? Therefore, we need another tall experienced defender, maybe two. Talia is the only one I know of who is available.

 

[Turbocat]

Josh Rachele.

Like him or not?

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Brown does sort of sound like a Wells pick though. Link to the club. Perhaps under valued due to injury.

Any idea where Holmes was rated last year I think Cal T had him about 23. Do you know what number he has Brown at... have a guess.

I have seen Brown placed anywhere from Pick 18/19 to about 29/30.
As for Holmes he was in the mid 30's early 40's prior/like 2 weeks before the draft.
But became a whispering giant in the day before the draft. Saints & Dees were sniffing like bloodhounds apparently.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Like him or not?

I like him... A LOT!!
GUN IMO. His under 16 form was top billing stuff.
Not too shabby this year either.
Wouldn't be annoyed if they swapped next years first pick for him this year TBH.

 

[Stab Pass]

Yeah my thinking this year is similar to yours. Picks in mid 30s or end of draft, that gap not the same as other years. i Reckon history might show that some gems were taken late in this draft with so many kids unable to showcase their development.

Might be a very good year for a club with a stack of second rounders. Likely a few late bloomers will slip through and having 4 or so picks might land you a couple of outright steals.

 

[Turbocat]

I have seen Brown placed anywhere from Pick 18/19 to about 29/30.
As for Holmes he was in the mid 30's early 40's prior/like 2 weeks before the draft.
But became a whispering giant in the day before the draft. Saints & Dees were sniffing like bloodhounds apparently.

Holmes was linked to the saints I think.

I suspect any player in that 15-40 range could be a real shuffle this year... so it gets down to how the clubs rate them... and in 5 years time we will be saying.. why did fred farkle last to 40 or why did jimmy slapcabbage go at 19.

If we can somehow get into a part of the draft where we are more confident on the result, it will be better than picking 3 more names that are put onto a list revolving door. Holmes at 20 looks a good call. Not a great player yet, has stuff to work on but he looks a winning pick.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Brown does sort of sound like a Wells pick though. Link to the club. Perhaps under valued due to injury.

Any idea where Holmes was rated last year I think Cal T had him about 23. Do you know what number he has Brown at... have a guess.

True..i could see brown going 15-25 to the right club. I love his run and ball use but this draft has a lot of running defenders we can probably get a good one in the 20s without trading up. On the other hand if you can get me sonsie late in the first round (among others) then sign me up.

 

[Turbocat]

True..i could see brown going 15-25 to the right club. I love his run and ball use but this draft has a lot of running defenders we can probably get a good one in the 20s without trading up. On the other hand if you can get me sonsie late in the first round (among others) then sign me up.

What has happened to him .. go back a couple of years he was all the rage for really early.

 

[goyoucatters]

I suspect any player in that 15-40 range could be a real shuffle this year... so it gets down to how the clubs rate them... and in 5 years time we will be saying.. why did fred farkle last to 40 or why did jimmy slapcabbage go at 19.

I don't care who picks him up. As long as this young tyro ends up with his name on an AFL list, my journey with the game will be complete.

 

[Leeds17]

Hesitate away. I’m happy to make the call.

pretty happy you’re not in charge of list management

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Im not advocating any one player , really if get got P8 ..(for eg) you can not control who picks who before your pick. So if you are really being specific then you either have to trade earlier that you think he will go ..or do it on the night.

He seems a talented kid, so if we go that way fine..but if we somehow get into those top 10 picks , who ever we picks will be more highly rated than most we have draft in years. My bet there will be clubs that that would like to have any of the top 10 Hobbs played well, sort of looked like a real Joel replacement, apparently Rachelle already benches 115 and is a small forward that kicks goals and Johnson is a tall mid thats highly rated by some...

Rachele is super hes a matchwinner..but his lack of defensive running will polarise clubs. Be interesting to see where he goes. You would think the WA clubs will be all over johnson. Love hobbs but he will go too high for our pick.

Realistic options for who we could get in the 20s that i like...knevitt taylor banks (very underrated for mine) chesser (if clark goes hes the player id love) goater draper and you could add brown to that..id been hoping for NWM but he wont slide now..obviously conway and maybe bazzo are options in that range if we feel we need to go tall.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

What has happened to him .. go back a couple of years he was all the rage for really early.

Mainly just covid shutdowns and a little bit of injury. But when he played this year he was very good. Will be a 200 gamer imo. Hes the sort of guy id be straight on the phone trying to get pick 13/16/17/19 for if he slides.

 

[Jumping Jack]

I don't care who picks him up. As long as this young tyro ends up with his name on an AFL list, my journey with the game will be complete.

Don't overlook Fred Farkle. A few observers have him as a late first rounder.

Imagine Narkle streaming out of the middle and hitting Farkle lace out. And if it all went pear shaped at least the commentators could talk about the Farkle Narkle Debacle

 

[TradeDraft]

Greame Wright was on trade radio and said he’s already spoken to Geelong initially about a deal for Krueger. He’s confident the pies can work something out.

There is no chance he’s staying. Even if something fell over Collingwood have pick 2 in the PSD and nobody in the media would kick up a stink or cry foul if he just went there via that given he’s such a no name.

That why I be Shocked IF a Trade is not done in the 1st Week of the Trade Period

 

[Tackle_happy]

I dont think we will finish that low i think its a 7-15 pick (like richmond) but it would still be a big risk. As weve seen with holmes that can pay off but it can also backfire. Id rather trade up to just the teens with this years picks and not move the future 1st as we will need a full hand of picks next year.

I will also assume that TPP will be down a fair bit after next year and we will potentially want a full hand to be able to bring in a likely type (midfielder perhaps) and will need something solid for trading purposes.

If we can get 3 picks this year from mid teens into the early thirties and hopefully get them to a point where they're a chance of playing in 2023 ... plus adding a mid into the mix (2023) - we might find ourselves not dropping off too badly.

 

[TradeDraft]

I found it interesting listening to that interview and we’ve been in dialogue with the pies. But the pies and dogs haven’t spoken at all about Lipinski.

I think the deal for us will involve one of our 2nds for there future 2nd

You Guys don't muck around at the Trade Table unlike other Clubs that are

 

[moond0g]

I dont think people have done the math.
If we elevate close and atkins (which the club hasnt announced yet but i expect we will) then we only have 1 senior list spot (and 3 cat a rookie spots) or 4 senior spots if we trade clark kreuger and fort. But we already have 4 picks inside 3 rounds. Say you get a 20-30 pick for clark and 50-60 picks for kreuger and fort thats still 7 picks you hold and only 4 slots to use them. Yes you could delist someone like CC (and maybe re rookie him) but the numbers are tight-the best way to fix this is trade 2 or 3 of our R2s for one higher pick or one current pick and a future pick.

Plus the turnover is likely to be even greater next year..off the top of my head selwood higgins dahlhaus fort (if he doesnt go now) will surely go..any of rohan tuohy hawk and smith are old enough that they could..narkle clark CC would all be prime delist candidates. Yes you can fill spots with FAs but it makes sense to spread our picks across 2 years in case we have a big turnover next year.

Also if covid eases next year you could have a draft crop then in which its much easier to rate and rank the talent than this year.

You're likely right, Atkins and Close will probably be upgraded. And it would be fair enough, too. Reward for effort, they have entrenched themselves in the best 22 and deserve a main list spot.

But the obvious solution to the problem is to just, not do this... We'll have more retirements next year, so the whole problem can be alleviated by just delaying this call for a year which would better align with our list profile.

Like I said, in the end you are probably right. But there's a really simple solution for example if we have 4 picks in the top 40 and only 3 list spots - just keep one/both of Atkins and Close on the rookie list until next year. And if it comes to that i'm sure the club will do it rather than upgrade both as a matter of principle.

 

[cats_09]

Fort for a year or two until Neale or SDK are ready

Sav and Blicavs can pinch hit.

Fort will likely be heading to Brisbane this trade period

So still leaves us with Stanley as the most logical number 1, while Neale & Tsapatolis continue their development at VFL level

I don't mind Blicavs in the ruck but wouldn't want to be relying on him and would prefer to not really see Ratugolea in the ruck unless they put VFL ruck time into him to help him develop that side of his game

 

[goyoucatters]

Don't overlook Fred Farkle. A few observers have him as a late first rounder.

Imagine Narkle streaming out of the middle and hitting Farkle lace out. And if it all went pear shaped at least the commentators could talk about the Farkle Narkle Debacle

Just love the fact that even after J. Slapcabbage made his way onto a list, you can still guarantee that his nickname down at the club would be 'Jim'.

Or 'Jimmy', if the boys got really creative...

 

[Vdubs]

What has happened to him .. go back a couple of years he was all the rage for really early.

absolute gun- will go top 10- what happened is NO GAMES due to Covid restrictions.