Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt1

[cats_09]

As we are now getting into the season and we are starting to get a bit more serious with discussion, seems a suitable time to post the following as it's repeatedly shown itself to be a value reference tool in trade & draft discussion

And as per normal, thanks to Lore for putting this together - always a fantastic reference tool



And yes this post is now stickied - makes it easy to keep track of (can easily reverse this though if needed)

 

[BigCat1]

Whilst I’m not even Savs biggest fan. Gee wizz I’m glad some ppl in here aren’t coach. How many inside 50s did they get in the 1st half. How many ridiculously easy, chest to the goals, 30m last kick in did they get. It was completely ridiculous there for a period. World record pace.

The midfield in the first half were quite frankly disgraceful. Holmes 1, Stanley 1, Blitz 5, Atkins 6 and Danger 8. Mesmerising. They lifted but we should be looking squarely at that area of the ground.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I have liked the way Sav has built as an intercepting defender but boy last night he just looked like he had no clue where to position himself and was a liability.

What I think or hope for doesn't matter but I think that if he went and it helped us get TDK onto the list that it would be a good outcome for us.

It would also save some cap room for other moves that might be more effective down the track.

TDK type is needed... Sav type not so much.

I'm hoping Scott was being so strong about keeping him because it will help drive a better trade for us... But we all know Scott loves Sav and always has, so it's hard to read between the lines on this one.

If Port is seriously gonna offer huge $$$ then he probably goes no matter what anyway.

Yeah, just can't play with SDK in the same team. One of the two just always looks lost.

 

[calder_daddy]

Vaguely separating players by shade but I'll ignore for now

Yeah good try bud, must be where your mind goes

 

[Pure_Ownage]

ANALYSIS: The Curious Case of Esava Ratugolea — CODE Sports

He is out of contract, would garner significant interest on the open market, and his coach is desperate to keep him. So why does Geelong’s back six look so much better with Esava Ratugolea out of it?

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not sure if you can access this without Apple News. But this was the tagline with article going on to analyse it

He is out of contract, would garner significant interest on the open market, and his coach is desperate to keep him. So why does Geelong’s back six look so much better with Esava Ratugolea out of it?

Its unfortunate we cant just drop him for now but have him contracted for next year so we have some control over where he goes-but we dont.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Yeah, just can't play with SDK in the same team. One of the two just always looks lost.

Its because he gets in sdks way and sdk is best when he knows he has a set role.

For me the only thing stopping me dropping sav is i know port havs rubbish picks and we wont get much in a trade. But regardless i think we have to drop him and wear that

 

[Sttew]

Its because he gets in sdks way and sdk is best when he knows he has a set role.

For me the only thing stopping me dropping sav is i know port havs rubbish picks and we wont get much in a trade. But regardless i think we have to drop him and wear that

He looked completely lost last nights, but it is his first game in 5 weeks. If he looks completely lost next week, then....

 

[Shadow89]

Whilst I’m not even Savs biggest fan. Gee wizz I’m glad some ppl in here aren’t coach. How many inside 50s did they get in the 1st half. How many ridiculously easy, chest to the goals, 30m last kick in did they get. It was completely ridiculous there for a period. World record pace.

The midfield in the first half were quite frankly disgraceful. Holmes 1, Stanley 1, Blitz 5, Atkins 6 and Danger 8. Mesmerising. They lifted but we should be looking squarely at that area of the ground.

I've agreed with this all season and have been one of Sav's biggest defenders...but the honest truth here is - he's not very good at defending in a hybrid 'one on one'/'zone' defence.

A defence like this only works when every single player knows not only their own role and who their man is at any given time, but who around them is cutting off the leading lanes and the patches of grass around them. What I saw from Sav last night was diabolical - and one of the main reasons why you can't just turn a KPF into a KPD.

Sav is immensely athletic, gifted in the air, and an absolute beast to play on. Problem is, he still plays like a KPF not worrying about his direct man, and instead flying at everything and worrying about his own positioning, rather than his man or where the team needs him.

It's something I couldn't quite put my finger on last night, but it's something the coaches seemed to figure out at 3/4 time when they subbed him.

If even one player is off in our extremely well drilled Back 6 - it all goes to shit. Teammates have to compensate for his lack of nous, then end up going to other players to try and cover him, and then leave their own players open - and so the ripple effect leads to what we saw last night where Sydney had taken a record number of marks in their forward 50, by half time.

Like I said, I've defended Sav to the enth degree this season against the more critiquing section of his detractors on here, but unfortunately after last night I have to admit that he is just not a defender at this stage - and has a LOT to work on. In fact statistically he actually seems to make our team worse, and may be better if he's traded for the overall health of our comparatively young Back 6.

Those two instances against Logan Macdonald where he just left the leading lanes open and didn't go with him at all cemented it for me, much to my own chagrin, given how highly I've rated him this season.

Intercepting and flying is one thing, but if you can't actually defend when you need to, then you're probably a detriment to the team and need to either work on your craft, or take the inflated money from Port and run.

 

[calder_daddy]

I've agreed with this all season and have been one of Sav's biggest defenders...but the honest truth here is - he's not very good at defending in a hybrid 'one on one'/'zone' defence.

A defence like this only works when every single player knows not only their own role and who their man is at any given time, but who around them is cutting off the leading lanes and the patches of grass around them. What I saw from Sav last night was diabolical - and one of the main reasons why you can't just turn a KPF into a KPD.

Sav is immensely athletic, gifted in the air, and an absolute beast to play on. Problem is, he still plays like a KPF not worrying about his direct man, and instead flying at everything and worrying about his own positioning, rather than his man or where the team needs him.

It's something I couldn't quite put my finger on last night, but it's something the coaches seemed to figure out at 3/4 time when they subbed him.

If even one player is off in our extremely well drilled Back 6 - it all goes to s**t. Teammates have to compensate for his lack of nous, then end up going to other players to try and cover him, and then leave their own players open - and so the ripple effect leads to what we saw last night where Sydney had taken a record number of marks in their forward 50, by half time.

Like I said, I've defended Sav to the enth degree this season against the more critiquing section of his detractors on here, but unfortunately after last night I have to admit that he is just not a defender at this stage - and has a LOT to work on. In fact statistically he actually seems to make our team worse, and may be better if he's traded for the overall health of our comparatively young Back 6.

Those two instances against Logan Macdonald where he just left the leading lanes open and didn't go with him at all cemented it for me, much to my own chagrin, given how highly I've rated him this season.

Intercepting and flying is one thing, but if you can't actually defend when you need to, then you're probably a detriment to the team and need to either work on your craft, or take the inflated money from Port and run.

Im known to not be his biggest fan, I do believe he will be a good KPD.
But it takes time, time he doesn’t have at Geelong and unfortunately I think he will be the KPD at another club.
Give him a year learning the craft at any level and it will click IMO

 

[catempire]

Whilst I’m not even Savs biggest fan. Gee wizz I’m glad some ppl in here aren’t coach. How many inside 50s did they get in the 1st half. How many ridiculously easy, chest to the goals, 30m last kick in did they get. It was completely ridiculous there for a period. World record pace.

The midfield in the first half were quite frankly disgraceful. Holmes 1, Stanley 1, Blitz 5, Atkins 6 and Danger 8. Mesmerising. They lifted but we should be looking squarely at that area of the ground.

Defender positioning matters. It was a shambles last night.

 

[catempire]

I've agreed with this all season and have been one of Sav's biggest defenders...but the honest truth here is - he's not very good at defending in a hybrid 'one on one'/'zone' defence.

A defence like this only works when every single player knows not only their own role and who their man is at any given time, but who around them is cutting off the leading lanes and the patches of grass around them. What I saw from Sav last night was diabolical - and one of the main reasons why you can't just turn a KPF into a KPD.

Sav is immensely athletic, gifted in the air, and an absolute beast to play on. Problem is, he still plays like a KPF not worrying about his direct man, and instead flying at everything and worrying about his own positioning, rather than his man or where the team needs him.

It's something I couldn't quite put my finger on last night, but it's something the coaches seemed to figure out at 3/4 time when they subbed him.

If even one player is off in our extremely well drilled Back 6 - it all goes to s**t. Teammates have to compensate for his lack of nous, then end up going to other players to try and cover him, and then leave their own players open - and so the ripple effect leads to what we saw last night where Sydney had taken a record number of marks in their forward 50, by half time.

Like I said, I've defended Sav to the enth degree this season against the more critiquing section of his detractors on here, but unfortunately after last night I have to admit that he is just not a defender at this stage - and has a LOT to work on. In fact statistically he actually seems to make our team worse, and may be better if he's traded for the overall health of our comparatively young Back 6.

Those two instances against Logan Macdonald where he just left the leading lanes open and didn't go with him at all cemented it for me, much to my own chagrin, given how highly I've rated him this season.

Intercepting and flying is one thing, but if you can't actually defend when you need to, then you're probably a detriment to the team and need to either work on your craft, or take the inflated money from Port and run.

Fantastic post

 

[Pure_Ownage]

He looked completely lost last nights, but it is his first game in 5 weeks. If he looks completely lost next week, then....

He wont look lost bc its only against north but against the better sides i dont think it works.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

FMD a blokes played a grand total of 10 games as a Key defender.
Yes only 10 GAMES !!
Probably in our top 8 in the B&F count until a month ago.
Played some really good games where he did his job... and well mind u.
Out for 4 weeks due to injury.
First game back and the chaps from the bleachers go WHACK!!
That is Fookin Gold!! GOLD!

 

[Shadow89]

FMD a blokes played a grand total of 10 games as a Key defender.
Yes only 10 GAMES !!
Probably in our top 8 in the B&F count until a month ago.
Played some really good games where he did his job... and well mind u.
Out for 4 weeks due to injury.
First game back and the chaps from the bleachers go WHACK!!
That is Fookin Gold!! GOLD!

I was in the same boat, but watching him intensely closely last night, and I can now see what the problem is - he's far too concerned about his own positioning and what he's going to do - rather than defending his own man and the leading lanes like he's required to as a defender.

He still plays like a forward playing down back, and has a long way to go. He can do the flashy things, but when the chips are down, he seems to focus more on 'attacking' the ball - to the detriment of the system and his teammates.

It's happened all season with mixed results, but last night was the first time it was truly catastrophic.

Like I said, I've been one his biggest supporters/defenders all season...but he has some serious defensive deficiencies he needa to work on - and he's compromising the rest of the Back 6 until he does.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

FMD a blokes played a grand total of 10 games as a Key defender.
Yes only 10 GAMES !!
Probably in our top 8 in the B&F count until a month ago.
Played some really good games where he did his job... and well mind u.
Out for 4 weeks due to injury.
First game back and the chaps from the bleachers go WHACK!!
That is Fookin Gold!! GOLD!

He's played more than 10.

 

[Gunf]

Our BnF right now should look a little like this


Miers










Who cares

 

[Gee Class Loco]

I was in the same boat, but watching him intensely closely last night, and I can now see what the problem is - he's far too concerned about his own positioning and what he's going to do - rather than defending his own man and the leading lanes like he's required to as a defender.

He still plays like a forward playing down back, and has a long way to go. He can do the flashy things, but when the chips are down, he seems to focus more on 'attacking' the ball - to the detriment of the system and his teammates.

It's happened all season with mixed results, but last night was the first time it was truly catastrophic.

Like I said, I've been one his biggest supporters/defenders all season...but he has some serious defensive deficiencies he needa to work on - and he's compromising the rest of the Back 6 until he does.

Like i said...
After his first game back where a dozen of his team mates played shockers the rope/noose come out for him.
Hilarious.
I am of the thinking he has done exceptionally well in the first 9 games of the season.
Like most pundits at the club and on here if we look at game day votes.
But as with a few of his team mates they have deficiencies that are either glaring and highlighted or painted over nothing to see here... for now.

Deficiencies... We all see them but highlight some but not others.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

He's played more than 10.

C'mon man... at least read my post properly.

10 games as a Key Defender

 

[Shadow89]

Like i said...
After his first game back where a dozen of his team mates played shockers the rope/noose come out for him.
Hilarious.
I am of the thinking he has done exceptionally well in the first 9 games of the season.
Like most pundits at the club and on here if we look at game day votes.
But as with a few of his team mates they have deficiencies that are either glaring and highlighted or painted over nothing to see here... for now.

Deficiencies... We all see them but highlight some but not others.

It's fair enough to view things that way, but part of analysing things is to be objective enough in your analysis to admit that you may have missed something - or got it completely wrong altogether.

I have been the exact same mentality as you re: Sav for the whole year - both here and on the main board. I have defended his mistakes and been highly impressed with his growth this year, and have put things down to a team issue, not a him issue. That all changed for me last night.

There were 3 things that confirmed I'd been wrong in my analysis prior, and that peeps like cats09, JC13, PO and others had been spot on - although I'd argued black and blue that they weren't due to my perception of his body of work. These are:

1. His positioning throughout the game, and his inability/unwillingness to go with Macdonald, when required. He wanted to hang back for the intercept, rather than guard the leading lane and his man like he needed to.

2. Stewart getting very animated at him on field -which he never does - and defenders constantly looking at him with a 'WTF' look, whenever they had to cover him...and then left their own man to do so.

3. Him being subbed at 3/4 time, but no injury incurred. From Scott's comments in the presser, the plan was always to play Danger for managed minutes, and I believe he was the one they were looking to sub out, given Bowes as the sub. Sav instead was subbed out, and we dominated the last quarter in clearances, rebound, and inside 50's. This was no coincidence, and seemed to be as a result of our Back 6 functioning properly.

**************

All of this adds up to the fact that Sav seemed to be a detriment on the day due to his lack of defensive nous, and that the coaches subbed him at 3/4 time as a result of this. Whether or not the other defenders talked to Scott, or even Stewart said 'it's not working', remains to be seen - but the proof was in the pudding in that last quarter.

This is not something that can be fixed in a week, and is something he will need to work on either during the season, or in the 2nds. It quite honestly is costing us games.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

FMD a blokes played a grand total of 10 games as a Key defender.
Yes only 10 GAMES !!
Probably in our top 8 in the B&F count until a month ago.
Played some really good games where he did his job... and well mind u.
Out for 4 weeks due to injury.
First game back and the chaps from the bleachers go WHACK!!
That is Fookin Gold!! GOLD!

I dont think youve actually read what anyone or is saying or if you have you havent comprehended it properly.

You are shouting against stuff people arent actually saying.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

It's fair enough to view things that way, but part of analysing things is to be objective enough in your analysis to admit that you may have missed something - or got it completely wrong altogether.

I have been the exact same mentality as you re: Sav for the whole year - both here and on the main board. I have defended his mistakes and been highly impressed with his growth this year, and have put things down to a team issue, not a him issue. That all changed for me last night.

There were 3 things that confirmed I'd been wrong in my analysis prior, and that peeps like cats09, JC13, PO and others had been spot on - although I'd argued black and blue that they weren't due to my perception of his body of work. These are:

1. His positioning throughout the game, and his inability/unwillingness to go with Macdonald, when required. He wanted to hang back for the intercept, rather than guard the leading lane and his man like he needed to.

2. Stewart getting very animated at him on field -which he never does - and defenders constantly looking at him with a 'WTF' look, whenever they had to cover him...and then left their own man to do so.

3. Him being subbed at 3/4 time, but no injury incurred. From Scott's comments in the presser, the plan was always to play him for managed minutes, and I believe he was the one they were looking to sub out, given Bowes as the sub. Sav instead was subbed out, and we dominated the last quarter in clearances, rebound, and inside 50's. This was no coincidence, and seemed to be as a result of our Back 6 functioning properly.

**************

All of this adds up to the fact that Sav seemed to be a detriment on the day due to his lack of defensive nous, and that the coaches subbed him at 3/4 time as a result of this. Whether or not the other defenders talked to Scott, or even Stewart said 'it's not working', remains to be seen - but the proof was in the pudding in that last quarter. This

This is not something that can be fixed in a week, and is something he will need to work on either during the season, or in the 2nds. It quite honestly is costing us games.

Insert either Duncan or Holmes and it will apply to last nights game.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

I dont think youve actually read what anyone or is saying or if you have you havent comprehended it properly.

You are shouting against stuff people arent actually saying.

LOL. I'm not shouting... except at the horses that aren't running fast enough today PO.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

It's fair enough to view things that way, but part of analysing things is to be objective enough in your analysis to admit that you may have missed something - or got it completely wrong altogether.

I have been the exact same mentality as you re: Sav for the whole year - both here and on the main board. I have defended his mistakes and been highly impressed with his growth this year, and have put things down to a team issue, not a him issue. That all changed for me last night.

There were 3 things that confirmed I'd been wrong in my analysis prior, and that peeps like cats09, JC13, PO and others had been spot on - although I'd argued black and blue that they weren't due to my perception of his body of work. These are:

1. His positioning throughout the game, and his inability/unwillingness to go with Macdonald, when required. He wanted to hang back for the intercept, rather than guard the leading lane and his man like he needed to.

2. Stewart getting very animated at him on field -which he never does - and defenders constantly looking at him with a 'WTF' look, whenever they had to cover him...and then left their own man to do so.

3. Him being subbed at 3/4 time, but no injury incurred. From Scott's comments in the presser, the plan was always to play him for managed minutes, and I believe he was the one they were looking to sub out, given Bowes as the sub. Sav instead was subbed out, and we dominated the last quarter in clearances, rebound, and inside 50's. This was no coincidence, and seemed to be as a result of our Back 6 functioning properly.

**************

All of this adds up to the fact that Sav seemed to be a detriment on the day due to his lack of defensive nous, and that the coaches subbed him at 3/4 time as a result of this. Whether or not the other defenders talked to Scott, or even Stewart said 'it's not working', remains to be seen - but the proof was in the pudding in that last quarter. This

This is not something that can be fixed in a week, and is something he will need to work on either during the season, or in the 2nds. It quite honestly is costing us games.

Thats all true.

And to be fair i actually think sav can learn these nuances and i wouldnt be surprised if he becomes a gun kpd later in his 20s (see liam jones). But with him being in his 7th year he needs to be playing every week (for his own sake) but our team cant afford him learning on the job given the impact it has on the output of the other defenders and the deficiencies we have elsewhere (ie midfield) we cant afford another structural issue. I tend to think its in everyones best interests that he finds another club and we use the capital from that trade (which wont be a heap) to address our other structural deficiencies. Thats nothing against sav though because hes clearly a very nice guy.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

LOL. I'm not shouting... except at the horses that aren't running fast enough today PO.

You sure seem like you are shouting. But im not sure you know what you are shouting at.

 

[Shadow89]

Insert either Duncan or Holmes and it will apply to last nights game.

Duncan and Holmes don't have to defend as part of a cohesive Back 6 though - it's a big difference.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

You sure seem like you are shouting. But im not sure you know what you are shouting at.

Just highlighting... nothing more nothing less.