Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[Oisin_the_Goat]

If we believe Neale is a long-term staple in our side, which many on here (and more importantly, the club) appear to think so, then we've already got that player.

Heck, Edwards might end up being that player too, as Toby- as talented as he is - is solely a ruckman.

I'd assume the setup long-term would be a genuine Key-forward (Lets just say JUH for the sake of argument, or we draft one ourselves).

Neale as the second banana forward/ruck, Ollie Henry as the third tall, and Conway as the flagship ruckman.

FF: JUH/Number 1 key forward

CHF: Neale/Edwards

HFF: O Henry

Ruck: Conway

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If we were to get TDK, we'd have three highly rated players who aren't quite good enough to be number 1 key forwards in a premiership side, and they're not number 1 ruckman either, it they're years off it being a possibility (See Edwards)

There's small differences, sure...but we'd basically have Neale, Edwards, & TDK all being the same type of player, and we've already got Conway to do half of what they do.

We've already got the ruckman, the second ruckman/forward, and the third tall set for 15 years.

All that we need is the genuine Hawkins/Cameron replacement, which admittedly is the hardest to acquire, but it's what we need to be looking for, not more 'tweener' types.

We'd have too many talls if we brought in TDK. Like you said, don't need this hybrids unless they're mobile like Blitz or Edwards.

 

[CharacterFirst]

I think Maxs' worth is top ten.

Top 5 maybe a bit of a stretch.

 

[Turbocat]

Begs the question should there be a trigger point IE 50% of games played in a season by a player make him eligible for a GF medal should his team win the Cup.

Eventually ...I suspect a whole list approach to success will take place. It just seems to fit with the way things are trending. Maybe one day a coach will have a full squad to call on...still with limited numbers on interchange then why not.

 

[D BRIDGE]

All that we need is the genuine Hawkins/Cameron replacement, which admittedly is the hardest to acquire, but it's what we need to be looking for, not more 'tweener' types.

Kitchen sink at JUH.

Cross fingers English + Smith both stay at the Dogs on big contracts

 

[Turbocat]

I think you got a very pro Geelong view of his worth.

If he has a really good season and starts living up to the hype then yeah it’s possible that his worth could be around that pick 5 area… but he isn’t worth it at this stage.

Also even thinking we could currently get a 6-12 range pick + more picks for a guy that is OOC is pretty much best case scenario for us.

If Holmes does want out I’d love for us to get that kind of value for him.

Do I think we will… No I do not.

I don’t even know exactly what picks the Pies have.

An F1 (because I believe they don’t have a current R1) would be a starting point and we’d hope to get to add more onto that… That seems realistic to me even though obviously it would be disappointing if it was to happen.

I think the Pies find a way to get him if they really want him and if he really wants them.

I will say though if the Pies under the rules can’t trade there F1 then yeah I becomes much harder.

We just gotta hope he wants Geelong… otherwise I think he is goners and there won’t be much we can do about it.

We acted like we were playing hardball last year with Sav but eventually caved and took the best offer we could get… which was like an extra pick 70+90.

If we stood strong and did not trade Sav… well then a message would have been sent that we will not trade players unless it is for true value… but we folded and everyone witnessed it and knows we will blink.

We got Ollie Henry off the Pies for unders… I can’t see why the Pies couldn’t pull a reverse uno card on us with Holmes if he chooses them.

Haw r2 ...will probably be around mid to late 20's is their first pick. Their Fr1... ..who knows how that is rated. How many FSons and academy players in 2025.

If both player and club want to hit the Las Vegas wedding chapel then I agree... Pies will find a way to satisfy ..with thru trade or what ever ... and there is nothing more certain than we will get less (superficially) than some feel he is worth.

 

[D BRIDGE]

I think Maxs' worth is top ten.

Top 5 maybe a bit of a stretch

I guess what a player is worth and what a player gets traded for are two different things.

When players are OOC teams will rarely get what they are worth back in a trade.

Plenty depends on what draft picks opposition clubs hold.

In terms of Cerra… Carlton held #5 or whatever it was and Freo knew that eventually they would give that up… and they did.

Carlton weren’t forced to go out and find that pick.

If Carlton held less I think Freo would have ended up with less.

In saying that… I believe Cerra had shown more than Holmes at that point anyway, but Holmes is tracking similar and that’s why I’m so keen to keep him.

 

[Turbocat]

Um, will we? Feels like we've moved on

We have drafted to move us in the direction of not being deperate for his type. Im hoping Neale reported form is an indication that he might be ready to remove all need for a ute ruck type and we can just put time into development of Edwards. It will be interesting to see where they put him in the VFL

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Kitchen sink at JUH.

Cross fingers English + Smith both stay at the Doggies on big contracts.

I think you can throw a fair few sinks at JUH and not move the needle. Dogs surely throw everyone else under the bus before risking his signature

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Agree I'd rather JUH than Smith

I'd rather Nick Daicos if we're playing that game

 

[D BRIDGE]

I think you can throw a fair few sinks at JUH and not move the needle. Dogs surely throw everyone else under the bus before risking his signature

I agree… He is not the kind of player you would want to lose.

But we gotta throw the sink at him and if it ends up being in vain then so be it.

Gotta be in it to win it and no doubt a bunch of clubs will be going hard at him.

Similar with the talk about Holmes though… If they want out, they want out… and if they are OOC they will likely get out.

You just gotta hope these players want to be at Geelong.

I’m not saying if we throw the sink at JUH it gives us any great chance of getting him… but it at least gives us a chance.

We can’t just think we are no chance and not even get involved at all.

We had a dip at Curnow.
We had a dip at Naughton.
100% we will have a dip a JUH.

 

[Vivy]

Coll, Rich, Car, Ess can sell marquee games and 100k crowds to recruits.

WB, Stk etc need players the caliber of Bont and JUH to keep and recruit other players. When you have them your window is always open.

WB would be negligent if they didn't offer him the biggest or close to biggest contract in the AFL.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I agree… He is not the kind of player you would want to lose.

But we gotta throw the sink at him and if it ends up being in vain then so be it.

Gotta be in it to win it and no doubt a bunch of clubs will be going hard at him.

Similar with the talk about Holmes though… If they want out, they want out… and if they are OOC they will likely get out.

You just gotta hope these players want to be at Geelong.

I’m not saying if we throw the sink at JUH it gives us any great chance of getting him… but it at least gives us a chance.

We can’t just think we are no chance and not even get involved at all.

We had a dip at Curnow.
We had a dip at Naughton.
100% we will have a dip a JUH.

Yeah absolutely take a dip, make an offer that shatters the dogs cap and catch Smith on the shakedown. But I would say that's plan A. JUH saying yes would be like an unexpected lottery win.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Coll, Rich, Car, Ess can sell marquee games and 100k crowds to recruits.

WB, Stk etc need players the caliber of Bont and JUH to keep and recruit other players. When you have them your window is always open.

WB would be negligent if they didn't offer him the biggest or close to biggest contract in the AFL.

They would be, but it doesn't matter if they don't have the money to do so.

They've already got Bont & Naughton on big money. Darcy will be getting his fair share in a couple years two.

Guys like Weightman and eventually
Sanders aren't exactly going to be cheap, and that's added to the Macrae, Libba and Treloar types, who while old, aren't playing for pennies either.

You have to remember, we're the only club who have our pay structure of pennies on the dollar. That extra 100, 200, 300k+ that they're paying each and every one of these guys adds up quickly.

That's without accounting for JUH, English, & Smith who are all OOC this year.

Both English and Smith are commanding 700k+, whether that be at the Dogs, Hawthorn, Geelong, Collingwood or wherever else they end up.

They can't pay Jamarra what isn't there, and as talented as he is, when you've already got Naughton locked up long term and Darcy coming through, the likes of Smith and in particular English might be the priority for them.

Regardless though, they can't pay him what's not available. Sydney will offer big money, as will we, and Hawthorn have virtually unlimited space with how little senior players they have.

If he stays, he's not staying for the money, and that loyalty is commendable.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I agree… He is not the kind of player you would want to lose.

But we gotta throw the sink at him and if it ends up being in vain then so be it.

Gotta be in it to win it and no doubt a bunch of clubs will be going hard at him.

Similar with the talk about Holmes though… If they want out, they want out… and if they are OOC they will likely get out.

You just gotta hope these players want to be at Geelong.

I’m not saying if we throw the sink at JUH it gives us any great chance of getting him… but it at least gives us a chance.

We can’t just think we are no chance and not even get involved at all.

We had a dip at Curnow.
We had a dip at Naughton.
100% we will have a dip a JUH.

Yep, we obviously need to address the impending Hawkins/Cameron hole, and I've just got a feeling we're not planning on drafting that player either.

The club clearly rates Neale. Maybe not as a multiple time AA, but enough to be the second key forward in a premiership side.

With that seemingly sorted, and Conway & Edwards on the come up as rucks, we're in position to spend big to get the big fish and finish the whole thing off.

More importantly, I just don't think our list management wants to wait 3-5 years of development to get a player in the Hawkins & Cameron ballpark.

They want a young key forward obviously, but similar to what we've done with Henry, Bruhn, Stengle, & Bowes, one that's a bit closer to his best football.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Yeah but you can't buy what's not there, you can't wish a trade option into existence.

Coming home paying 20k for an AU Falcon with 400k on the clock is pretty hard to explain to the missus with the line "it was the best available" when you're not sure you actually need a second car to begin with.

In general i agree but theres two points there
1. For a long time having a genuine 2nd ruck who can play elsewhere has been a non necessity bc blitz does it so well but when he retires it becomes a necessity. In which case tdk doesnt need to be perfect he just needs to be cheaper and better than the available alternatives.
And
2. This is why price is important. I wasnt keen on paying a r1 for tdk but for cash only its palatable as then you arent paying top dollar in picks for a solution.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If we believe Neale is a long-term staple in our side, which many on here (and more importantly, the club) appear to think so, then we've already got that player.

Heck, Edwards might end up being that player too, as Toby- as talented as he is - is solely a ruckman.

I'd assume the setup long-term would be a genuine Key-forward (Lets just say JUH for the sake of argument, or we draft one ourselves).

Neale as the second banana forward/ruck, Ollie Henry as the third tall, and Conway as the flagship ruckman.

FF: JUH/Number 1 key forward

CHF: Neale/Edwards

HFF: O Henry

Ruck: Conway

****************

If we were to get TDK, we'd have three highly rated players who aren't quite good enough to be number 1 key forwards in a premiership side, and they're not number 1 ruckman either, or they're years off it being a possibility (See Edwards)

There's small differences, sure...but we'd basically have Neale, Edwards, & TDK all being the same type of player, and we've already got Conway to do half of what they do.

We've already got the ruckman, the second ruckman/forward, and the third tall set for 15 years.

All that we need is the genuine Hawkins/Cameron replacement, which admittedly is the hardest to acquire, but it's what we need to be looking for, not more 'tweener' types.

I agree to a point but it depends whether you think neale is a hawkins replacement or a genuine dual position ruck. If hes the former then we would either need edwards to be the r2/fwd (assuming he doesnt not make it or doesnt go back to WA) or we would need to trade in such a player to support conway. I havent been impressed by neales ruckwork so far but that could improve with more training.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I think you got a very pro Geelong view of his worth.

If he has a really good season and starts living up to the hype then yeah it’s possible that his worth could be around that pick 5 area… but he isn’t worth it at this stage.

Also even thinking we could currently get a 6-12 range pick + more picks for a guy that is OOC is pretty much best case scenario for us.

If Holmes does want out I’d love for us to get that kind of value for him.

Do I think we will… No I do not.

I don’t even know exactly what picks the Pies have.

An F1 (because I believe they don’t have a current R1) would be a starting point and we’d hope to get to add more onto that… That seems realistic to me even though obviously it would be disappointing if it was to happen.

I think the Pies find a way to get him if they really want him and if he really wants them.

I will say though if the Pies under the rules can’t trade there F1 then yeah I becomes much harder.

We just gotta hope he wants Geelong… otherwise I think he is goners and there won’t be much we can do about it.

We acted like we were playing hardball last year with Sav but eventually caved and took the best offer we could get… which was like an extra pick 70+90.

If we stood strong and did not trade Sav… well then a message would have been sent that we will not trade players unless it is for true value… but we folded and everyone witnessed it and knows we will blink.

We got Ollie Henry off the Pies for unders… I can’t see why the Pies couldn’t pull a reverse uno card on us with Holmes if he chooses them.

Ollie was playing reserves at coll (i know there were reasons but still) its not remotely comparable to holmes. The reason i used cerra as an example is he was the same age as holmes would be and they have both shown a similar quality level. Sav has been a fringe player for 7 years which again is not comparable
When you look at p6 + future 3rd for him holmes is around that level.
Yes we will get less than that if the club he chooses only has p12 but thats his worth in isolation.

Coll dont have a r1 this year, their future 1st might be in the 20s next year, they dont have a player swap that would do it for us. His mgr will tell him not to nominate coll as they cant get it done (same with cerra and melb that year) as i said i think other vic clubs are more likely bc they can get it done.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

They would be, but it doesn't matter if they don't have the money to do so.

They've already got Bont & Naughton on big money. Darcy will be getting his fair share in a couple years two.

Guys like Weightman and eventually
Sanders aren't exactly going to be cheap, and that's added to the Macrae, Libba and Treloar types, who while old, aren't playing for pennies either.

You have to remember, we're the only club who have our pay structure of pennies on the dollar. That extra 100, 200, 300k+ that they're paying each and every one of these guys adds up quickly.

That's without accounting for JUH, English, & Smith who are all OOC this year.

Both English and Smith are commanding 700k+, whether that be at the Dogs, Hawthorn, Geelong, Collingwood or wherever else they end up.

They can't pay Jamarra what isn't there, and as talented as he is, when you've already got Naughton locked up long term and Darcy coming through, the likes of Smith and in particular English might be the priority for them.

Regardless though, they can't pay him what's not available. Sydney will offer big money, as will we, and Hawthorn have virtually unlimited space with how little senior players they have.

If he stays, he's not staying for the money, and that loyalty is commendable.

I agree with all that but i agree they will prioritise jamarra and he will stay on prob like 1mil a year.
They will let either smith or english go instead, or a bunch of more middle tier players. They cant afford to keep them all but they will prioritise him.

 

[4quarter_cat]

Eventually ...I suspect a whole list approach to success will take place. It just seems to fit with the way things are trending. Maybe one day a coach will have a full squad to call on...still with limited numbers on interchange then why not.

I can see a future where there are the 4 on the bench then for example 4 sub players, and the coach can make 2 changes during the game. (I call it a soccerfication of the substitute rules)

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Pies..dont have the picks or cap space to do it.

Carlton-he would carve it up there and id see why he would be keen but honestly i doubt they can afford. Their cap is very tight thanks to what we made them offer CC and they know we will come again for TDK next year. Even with martin coming off the books i think they will save cap for that.

Richmond-same reasons as you they are on the slide i doubt hed go there and they need KPP anyway.

Hawthorn-yes i can see it because they have acres of cap space (could pay him at least 1mil pa for the next couple years if they wanted to) and a good young list and a decent coach. Depends if he will do a rebuilding team or wants finals now.

St kilda-i know they were very keen in his draft year and probably would have taken him if we didnt jump in. And they need mids. And probably have the cap space with some expiring deals. Depends if he likes or loathes ross.

Melb-another that were very keen in his draft year. And i could see the appeal for him as a finals side. But their cap is the issue. They are weighed down by big long term deals and will soon have to replace guys like gawn may etc. If they can offload olivers contract to some stupid club they will go hard at max imo, otherwise not sure if they can afford.

NM-probably have the most cap out of anyone but would he want to go to a small rebuilding club?

Wb-im ruling them out bc they will have their hands full keeping english smith and juh. I doubt they can afford him unless one of those 3 go but im sure they would want him.

Ess-definitely have lots of cap and if he wants a 'big club' might consider. But i personally think they will always be a middling club and not achieve anything so i doubt he goes there unless he views their list differently.

We couldn't afford him anyway, got the Camporeale twins we need to draft which will take up most of our draft capital anyway and who play wing and on ball.

Sure he'd be a great fit for us in the short term but just can't see it being possible.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Coll dont have a r1 this year, their future 1st might be in the 20s next year, they dont have a player swap that would do it for us. His mgr will tell him not to nominate coll as they cant get it done (same with cerra and melb that year) as i said i think other vic clubs are more likely bc they can get it done.

I don’t see it as an impossibility that Holmes couldn’t get to the Pies with a deal involving their F1.

If he stagnates this season it would be around the mark… If he continues to improve and go to the next level, it would likely be unders.

But if push comes to shove and he wants them and they want him… I’d think we’d begrudgingly end up making a deal.

Anyway I just want Holmes to stay, that’s absolutely my first preference.

If he does ask to be traded to the Pies… you can beat I’ll be on here saying “the Pies F1 ain’t enough… tell him we will trade him to Saints/Hawks/Whoever for their pick #8 or something or he can go into the draft”… but they end up taking the best deal they can get at the end of the day from the Pies.

Hoping he has a huge year and signs nice fat long term deal with us.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

In general i agree but theres two points there
1. For a long time having a genuine 2nd ruck who can play elsewhere has been a non necessity bc blitz does it so well but when he retires it becomes a necessity. In which case tdk doesnt need to be perfect he just needs to be cheaper and better than the available alternatives.
And
2. This is why price is important. I wasnt keen on paying a r1 for tdk but for cash only its palatable as then you arent paying top dollar in picks for a solution.

Look if he's a cheap RFA then sure but if he's costly or matched then you've done yourself a mischief because you've then traded to turn Neale into depth with every chance that Neale actually turns TDK into depth.

I just don't see it

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I don’t see it as an impossibility that Holmes couldn’t get to the Pies with a deal involving their F1.

If he stagnates this season it would be around the mark… If he continues to improve and go to the next level, it would likely be unders.

But if push comes to shove and he wants them and they want him… I’d think we’d begrudgingly end up making a deal.

Anyway I just want Holmes to stay, that’s absolutely my first preference.

If he does ask to be traded to the Pies… you can beat I’ll be on here saying “the Pies F1 ain’t enough… tell him we will trade him to Saints/Hawks/Whoever for their pick #8 or something or he can go into the draft”… but they end up taking the best deal they can get at the end of the day from the Pies.

Hoping he has a huge year and signs nice fat long term deal with us.

It all depends on what it looks like in October.

You're absolutely right on Holmes/Collingwood value, and I could see a scenario in 8 months time where Max has plateaued a bit, and the Cats & Dogs are at an impasse over Smith's value.

Collingwood send over the future first, we send that and some steak knives over to the Dogs, or something in that ballpark.

We talk so much prior to the trade period on how deals are going to get done and so on, but clubs eventually just figure it out and it usually revolves around getting something that we can trade to someone else for what we want.

I don't want Max to leave either, and I don't think he will...but if it's Max out, Smith in (and I reckon we'll be in the market for another gun or two as well), then that's the best of a bad situation for us, and it might even be a net win in a few years time.

 

[gogeelongcats]

Jamarra is the pick of the bunch. Even though the Bulldogs have other options they will NOT let him go.

 

[foxdog50]

If we believe Neale is a long-term staple in our side, which many on here (and more importantly, the club) appear to think so, then we've already got that player.

Heck, Edwards might end up being that player too, as Toby- as talented as he is - is solely a ruckman.

I'd assume the setup long-term would be a genuine Key-forward (Lets just say JUH for the sake of argument, or we draft one ourselves).

Neale as the second banana forward/ruck, Ollie Henry as the third tall, and Conway as the flagship ruckman.

FF: JUH/Number 1 key forward

CHF: Neale/Edwards

HFF: O Henry

Ruck: Conway

****************

If we were to get TDK, we'd have three highly rated players who aren't quite good enough to be number 1 key forwards in a premiership side, and they're not number 1 ruckman either, or they're years off it being a possibility (See Edwards)

There's small differences, sure...but we'd basically have Neale, Edwards, & TDK all being the same type of player, and we've already got Conway to do half of what they do.

We've already got the ruckman, the second ruckman/forward, and the third tall set for 15 years.

All that we need is the genuine Hawkins/Cameron replacement, which admittedly is the hardest to acquire, but it's what we need to be looking for, not more 'tweener' types.

With Edwards... isn't he a Ruckman? Not a Forward?