Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[CatToTheFuture]

Yeah I'm wary of taking any player on a long term deal where we weren't involved in negotiating the terms in the first instance.

I think it might end up being a new contract though so you could rewrite the terms, just Clayton wouldn't agree to be worse off

 

[Footy Smarts]

I think with Tasmania coming in and presumably taking draft picks soon there's a lot to be said for just taking our picks at the draft so we have quality young talent coming through. Our older players noticeably hitting the wall this year is another reason to go that way since we're probably going to find it hard to compete next year with the retirements and over 30s all a year older.

I'd be looking at bringing in more quality kids for the next couple of years then think about targeting high quality recruits once guys like Clark and Conway are ready to break out.

 

[D BRIDGE]

I think with Tasmania coming in and presumably taking draft picks soon there's a lot to be said for just taking our picks at the draft so we have quality young talent coming through. Our older players noticeably hitting the wall this year is another reason to go that way since we're probably going to find it hard to compete next year with the retirements and over 30s all a year older.

I'd be looking at bringing in more quality kids for the next couple of years then think about targeting high quality recruits once guys like Clark and Conway are ready to break out.

If I could see into the future and be 100% sure that we'd be hitting with all of our next 2 or 3 first-rounders, then I'd say no worries let's just take them.

But the draft is very iffy... Especially if you are in the teens... There certainly is no guarantee of those selections making it or being as good as players that you potentially could get by trading.

In the end, I think you just need to weigh it all up as you go depending on who might be available and what draft picks you end up with.

Wells does have a pretty ordinary hit ratio with picks in the teens though... not even close to 50/50 from memory.

I'd be keen on us using single-figure picks at the draft... If we drop down that low (it's possible I think).

 

[Kobe Gryant]

If I could see into the future and be 100% sure that we'd be hitting with all of our next 2 or 3 first-rounders, then I'd say no worries let's just take them.

But the draft is very iffy... Especially if you are in the teens... There certainly is no guarantee of those selections making it or being as good as players that you potentially could get by trading.

In the end, I think you just need to weigh it all up as you go depending on who might be available and what draft picks you end up with.

Wells does have a pretty ordinary hit ratio with picks in the teens though... not even close to 50/50 from memory.

I'd be keen on us using single-figure picks at the draft though... If we drop down that low (it's possible I think).

McClure reckons Smith to Geelong is a done deal....so lock it in that he'll be playing at Hawthorn next year and we'll be going to the draft!!

 

[D BRIDGE]

McClure reckons Smith to Geelong is a done deal....so lock it in that he'll be playing at Hawthorn next year and we'll be going to the draft!!

Anyone else and I'd be happy to hear it.

From him... yeahhhh can't read too much into it.

He lost all his credits last year after claiming West Coast would just bypass Reid, and North would get him with #2 lol.

 

[Tandy]

With Danger going down..it probably on makes us more depserate for a power mid type like Bail Smith. I suspect it was only the bashing that Carlton were giving us , was the reason Danger went into that middle playing at full throttle. Is his future playing at 85% , is it a forwardline 85% ?

I honestly feel ... there are echos or an era of times past ..where we had a group that non were recognised as super gun AA types ..then we ended up with a team of them. Demp and Max could be two guys who end up being anything if teghy keep developing and getting better.

Id be havng a serious look at what we have done in getting Bruhn or Bowes. We like a type so with the introduction of the talent at Gold Coast ... som every talented guys are probably going to be missing out. Davies was highly rated. At GWS Angwin was a kid who had high end running.

Im sure there are others. If we can find one or two more of the unloved in that 20-23 age group ..it really changes the list profile.

I like this. There's probably a couple up on the GC and GWS who only need some more opportunity to explode. I really like Davies too. And would back us in to get the most of of him and turn him into a solid 200 gamer

 

[bulletproof]

McClure reckons Smith to Geelong is a done deal....so lock it in that he'll be playing at Hawthorn next year and we'll be going to the draft!!

This is definitely currently the word out of Bulldogs camp.

I don’t think anything can be a ‘done deal’ at this point though.

The journalist just looks foolish to make such a definitive statement this early.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

This is definitely currently the word out of Bulldogs camp.

I don’t think anything can be a ‘done deal’ at this point though.

The journalist just looks foolish to make such a definitive statement this early.

Agree totally, all 3 clubs have already had the 'done deal' tag this year and it's only June.

Bulldogs camp reckon it's Geelong though you reckon?

 

[AM]

McClure reckons Smith to Geelong is a done deal....so lock it in that he'll be playing at Hawthorn next year and we'll be going to the draft!!

Collingwood is still very much in the race methinks. That's where I'd be heading if I was Bayley.

The Bullies will want an arm and a leg for him and he'll be on a big wedge.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I’m not denying we’ve had success in the latter parts of the draft. But over 18 years you would expect us to have had some hits. You can just as easily make a list of players that have been picked in the first 2 rounds (Hawkins, Selwood, CGuthrie, Duncan) or brought in via trades (Danger, Cameron) or FA (Smith) and say we wouldn’t have had the success eve had without nailing those. Obviously we need both.

But more directly to my point, would you like us to replicate what we did last year and take 3 of the last 7 picks in the national draft on a consistent basis? I would not.

I think the moral of this discussion is... You need to nail all of the avenues to win a flag these days.

It used to br just a matter of drafting elite kids then climb back up...

Now the real value in a recruiter is their ability to nail 3-4th rnd picks and rookie picks, which is where wells really justifies his pay cheque.

 

[bulletproof]

Agree totally, all 3 clubs have already had the 'done deal' tag this year and it's only June.

Bulldogs camp reckon it's Geelong though you reckon?

That is what I heard a few weeks ago.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

There are different ways to build a list. If you are always waiting for the perfect player to fit your exact needs you end up with nothing OR you overpay for that player because they become an obsession.

Call me crazy, but I am all for picking up players who make our list better and will help us win games. Zurhaar is definitely a player that will improve our list. And he likely has more upside in the right environment than just about any other possible recruit out there.

I don’t think he should be our only target, and there is no reason why we couldn’t target him and a midfielder.

Put it this way, if I had the choice between signing zurhaar on an acceptable deal or committing big $$ and long years to a bulldogs midfielder who has been out of form for 2 years, coming off a knee reconstruction and with documented off field issues, well I would take zurhaar every day.

Regardless of whether he is a midfielder or not.

I get that but its marginal gains.

Dropping an afl standard fwd to get zurhaar in is only a marginal gain when we kick good scores anyway.

Whereas getting a good mid in and dropping one of our D grade mids for it is a bigger gain.

Given zurhaar would be expensive i dont see the value.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Decent players, but since 2007 is a very large sample size, so you'd expect to see hits. Some did play in flags or were fine players for a while, but also not a lot of absolute premium players there who you could build a club around. We did well with them because (a) we were able to trade in those absolute guns rather than draft them, and (b) we already had some of those premium players there who had been drafted with high picks (such as Selwood) or should have been (such as Hawkins).

Thats true but if you consider that between 07 and 23 our picks in the 10-25 range have been
Brown
Menzel
Smedts
(Guthrie 23)
Thurlow
Lang
Cockatoo
Fogarty
Kelly
Clark
Stephens
Dekoning
Holmes
Conway and knevitt
Clark
Osullivan

Our record has improved in the last 3-4 years but prior to that there was a lot of misses.

We have largely done better with our later picks than our r1s.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If they both said Geelong, I have no idea how we get the deal done under the current system. Oliver would have to be a Grundy packet of chips deal and I don't see Dees doing that in this case.

Bet yeah adding both would be huge for our midfield would go from bottom tier to top tier imo.

Smith would be a current r1 and clarry a future 1st but i dont think that melb would trade him anyway or that i would want to risk trading for him.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

This is definitely currently the word out of Bulldogs camp.

I don’t think anything can be a ‘done deal’ at this point though.

The journalist just looks foolish to make such a definitive statement this early.

Hawks are offering more $.

 

[moond0g]

Thats true but if you consider that between 07 and 23 our picks in the 10-25 range have been
Brown
Menzel
Smedts
(Guthrie 23)
Thurlow
Lang
Cockatoo
Fogarty
Kelly
Clark
Stephens
Dekoning
Holmes
Conway and knevitt
Clark
Osullivan

Our record has improved in the last 3-4 years but prior to that there was a lot of misses.

We have largely done better with our later picks than our r1s.

True.

But again, using that evidence would you rather more picks in the 10-25 range over the next 10 years, or in the 40-60 range? Because if it's the latter, I'm happy to play as much poker against you as you'd like.

 

[CHAWKTS]

McClure reckons Smith to Geelong is a done deal....so lock it in that he'll be playing at Hawthorn next year and we'll be going to the draft!!

Has he confirmed that Harley Ried is definitely not going to West Coast yet?

 

[foxdog50]

On Gettable:

• Cats or Hawks in front for Smith
• We're expected to still try and make a play for Clayton Oliver.
• No movement on Stengle's contract.

So who did they think? Cats or Hawks?

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

So who did they think? Cats or Hawks?

He didn't say, he just said it's between Cats and Hawks and that he isn't staying at the Doggies.

 

[SkittleCats]

Collingwood is still very much in the race methinks. That's where I'd be heading if I was Bayley.

The Bullies will want an arm and a leg for him and he'll be on a big wedge.

Collingwood have nothing to trade for him, so that counts them out.

 

[ShaunWDT]

Collingwood have nothing to trade for him, so that counts them out.

Think you'll be able to trade multiple years in advance, AFL already talking about it as a change for this off season

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Think you'll be able to trade multiple years in advance, AFL already talking about it as a change for this off season

Even if they did, Collingwood list managers have told the media a few times they want to take their picks to the draft and only pick up free agents or late pick trade ins

 

[FootyLad0]

Even if they did, Collingwood list managers have told the media a few times they want to take their picks to the draft and only pick up free agents or late pick trade ins

Exactly, Pies in a tough spot where they've got about 6/7 coming up on their last few years and basically only N.Daicos coming through for the young brigade. They can't afford to give up picks when they need young talent to keep coming in.

This is why i love us going out and using picks/bringing in youngsters while we were winning the premiership.
We restocked the cupboard knowing fully well there was a lot of experienced holes in 3/4 years time to be filled.

It's now 2 years later and that is becoming more and more evident.

 

[Lana]

Thats true but if you consider that between 07 and 23 our picks in the 10-25 range have been
Brown
Menzel
Smedts
(Guthrie 23)
Thurlow
Lang
Cockatoo
Fogarty
Kelly
Clark
Stephens
Dekoning
Holmes
Conway and knevitt
Clark
Osullivan

Our record has improved in the last 3-4 years but prior to that there was a lot of misses.

We have largely done better with our later picks than our r1s.

Injury really gutted that group.

 

[ShaunWDT]

I agree. In particular about not being used enough. Even in first qtr on weekend he ran 4.4km and was open many many times and not used. Only 3 touches I think. Then Henry got subbed and Dempsey played forward and had Impact (still ran 11km for the other 3km but seemed to get involved more). 13 contested possessions which is easier forward then wing.

I assume what they liked about him wing was his defensive running. He fills holes and makes oppo change ball movement. But I think scott said yesterday or today that his game makes it hard for them not to use him forward more…

I was at the game sitting on his wing behind the goals and you really notice how much work he does with no reward, was running inside 50 and the ball just wasnt going near him in that first quarter, they need to just switch the ball and hed have run into an open goal 2 or 3 times.