Gibbs V Beams

[the distributer]

Who's the better player and why.

Gibbs
http://www.afl.com.au/stats/tabid/7...xtureid=0&teamid=0&playerids=0&playerid=15481
Beams
http://www.afl.com.au/stats/tabid/7...xtureid=0&teamid=0&playerids=0&playerid=19904

 

[Elite Master]

Is this thread a joke? Beam's has stepped it up this season sure, but no way is he in the same ball park as Gibbs.

 

[Collingwoodity]

Gibbs, clearly but not uncatchable. Beams as a midfielder. Gibbs better user.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Beams has stepped it up this year, so I'll go with him. His goal accuracy is the main issue, but he seems to have improved on that.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Is this thread a joke? Beam's has stepped it up this season sure, but no way is he in the same ball park as Gibbs.

Why's that? He's averaging something like 28 disposals and 2 goals a game since coming back from injury.

 

[Number 10]

Gibbs, great user of the ball and so good in space.

Beams needs a year to come up to his level and in my opinion will pass Gibbs in 2 years as I see him as the next Swan. That's just me though.

 

[blaze036]

Gibbs is a tad overrated due to him being a number 1 pick... prob have to say gibbs now but not by that much. (beams 6th B and F last year in a premiership winning team) and woulda been higher this year if not for injury i reckon

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Like HP said 50/50. Gibbs has been a dissapointing number 1 pick and seems to have stagnated the last couple of years. Beams seems like he has a higher ceiling, despite Gibbs being the better player so far. On that I would take Beams as he seems to be heading upwards, whilst Gibbs has flatlined for a while now.

 

[Elite Master]

Why's that? He's averaging something like 28 disposals and 2 goals a game since coming back from injury.

Gibbs has been a better consistent performer for longer in a weaker side at this point in their careers. Beams has been very good this season but lets be honest he is also made to look good given the quality around him. I can still see tremendous upside in Gibbs' game which will widen the gap. He wasn't a #1 draft pick for nothing.

 

[blitzer]

Gibbs is all class and I would take him before Beams in a heartbeat. He may not yet have lived up to the billings of a number one pick, but he's already a damn good player and we haven't seen the best of him yet.

 

[Sin City]

Gibbs is miles ahead, terrible poll.

 

[Monkey King]

Love Beams as a player, but Gibbs; and by some way too. Gibbs can go forward and kick a small bag, go back and shut down, restrict your Goodes types all around the ground, has played offensive roles with good effect and shutdown/runoff midfield roles as well as anyone. At 22yo, there's as much upside in Gibba as there is in Beams.

 

[Dundalis]

I wouldn't trade Beams for Gibbs. Beams has the toughness Gibbs lacks. Gibbs is the superior kick but not by a massive margin. Beams is superior on his wrong foot and is also far more mobile.

Beams needs to prove he can sustain a position in the midfield though.

 

[the distributer]

IMO Beams has not only been better this year, but last year as well/

Beams 2010

disposals 20.4
Goals 26 1 per game
GAs 17/0.7
CP 6.5
Clearances 2.1
DE% 72
Tackles 3.0

Gibbs 2010

Disposals 24.3
Goals 6 0.3
GAs 3 0.1
CP 7.4
Clearances 2.7
DE% 77
Tackles 3.6

Beams 2011

Disposals 24.1
Goals 20/1.5 per game
GAs 12/0.9
CP 8.4
Clearances 3.2
DE% 73
Tackles 3.3



Gibbs 2011

Disposals 24.1
Goals 16/ 0.8
GAs 14/ 0.7
CP 7.6
Clearances 1.9
DE% 75
Tackles 3.6

Joke thread?, Gibbs a mile better? lol, also note that Beams is a year younger and played 56 games compared to Gibbs 110, so to the poster who said we havn't seen the best of Gibbs yet, do you think we've seen the best of Beams?

 

[NOCHANCE]

Gibbs is part of the reason why Carlton are playing finals with the side being built around him and a few others. Beams is part of a good side and wouldnt be missed as he wasnt if he didnt play. Gibbs easy.

 

[Pie in the Sky]

IMO Beams has not only been better this year, but last year as well/

Beams 2010

disposals 20.4
Goals 26 1 per game
GAs 17/0.7
CP 6.5
Clearances 2.1
DE% 72
Tackles 3.0

Gibbs 2010

Disposals 24.3
Goals 6 0.3
GAs 3 0.1
CP 7.4
Clearances 2.7
DE% 77
Tackles 3.6

Beams 2011

Disposals 24.1
Goals 20/1.5 per game
GAs 12/0.9
CP 8.4
Clearances 3.2
DE% 73
Tackles 3.3



Gibbs 2011

Disposals 24.1
Goals 16/ 0.8
GAs 14/ 0.7
CP 7.6
Clearances 1.9
DE% 75
Tackles 3.6

Joke thread?, Gibbs a mile better? lol, also note that Beams is a year younger and played 56 games compared to Gibbs 110, so to the poster who said we havn't seen the best of Gibbs yet, do you think we've seen the best of Beams?

To be fair though Beams has been playing mostly as a forward while Gibbs plays more back/midfield (especially in 2010) so you would expect Beams to have the better goal involvement stats. Beams has been very good and will be an excellent player as he gets more midfield time, but you have to give it to Gibbs at the moment.

 

[jonbe54]

Gibbs is part of the reason why Carlton are playing finals with the side being built around him and a few others. Beams is part of a good side and wouldnt be missed as he wasnt if he didnt play. Gibbs easy.

Lol so because Gibbs is in a side that doesn't have the depth of talent that Pies have he is automatically better despite inferior numbers??

Typical big footy

 

[NOCHANCE]

Lol so because Gibbs is in a side that doesn't have the depth of talent that Pies have he is automatically better despite inferior numbers??

Typical big footy

So you dont think Gibbs gets a fair bit more work put into him than Beams?

 

[jonesy86]

Beams' past month since he's been back from injury has been superb, but on their overall career so far it's got to be Gibbs.

The one argument I don't get is the whole "he's made to look good in a good team" argument. How many players in the team does that apply to before you get to the conclusion that them being in that team is what helps them be so good?

 

[NOCHANCE]

Beams' past month since he's been back from injury has been superb, but on their overall career so far it's got to be Gibbs.

The one argument I don't get is the whole "he's made to look good in a good team" argument. How many players in the team does that apply to before you get to the conclusion that them being in that team is what helps them be so good?

Selwood copped it for the first few years butin saying that its far easier to play well in a good team than in a struggling one.

 

[Pie in the Sky]

Beams' past month since he's been back from injury has been superb, but on their overall career so far it's got to be Gibbs.

The one argument I don't get is the whole "he's made to look good in a good team" argument. How many players in the team does that apply to before you get to the conclusion that them being in that team is what helps them be so good?

I think I've heard that apply to nearly everyone in Collingwood's team this year, Pendlebury excepted. Also, all of the backline except Tarrant play loose and our forwards only kick goals because they get the ball kicked to them a lot. Fair effort by Pendles and Taz to carry the other 20 players every week.

 

[the distributer]

To be fair though Beams has been playing mostly as a forward while Gibbs plays more back/midfield (especially in 2010) so you would expect Beams to have the better goal involvement stats. Beams has been very good and will be an excellent player as he gets more midfield time, but you have to give it to Gibbs at the moment.

If Gibbs was capable of those numbers playing mostly as a HF he would be playing there, Gibbs has spent the better part of the last 2 years as a HBF, ever noticed how average/ageing mids/fwds become very good HB flankers? Goddard/Gibbs/Shaw/Leon/Hodge (although he's a very good mid too)/S. Buckley/Burgoyne/Scotland/Yarran etc etc, fact is all the better HBs are failed mids/fwds (hodge aside) or aging mids/fwds, now ask yourself the question, how many HBFs become very good Mids/fwds? playing HB is a walk in the park compared to Fwd/onball, We needed a back up HBF so we recruited a delisted player from the wooden spoon team, just sayin.

So i rate Beams much higher at this stage.

 

[the distributer]

So you dont think Gibbs gets a fair bit more work put into him than Beams?

No way, Beams plays mostly Fwd, he has a backmen manning him up, Gibbs plays HB and 'sometimes' he has a defensive fwd but a defensive fwd wont man him up like a backman would a fwd.

Fact is many teams this year have decided to put more work into Yarran than Gibbs, honest Blue fans will admit this too.

 

[Monkey King]

If Gibbs was capable of those numbers playing mostly as a HF he would be playing there

Well wide of the mark here td. Gibbs went more forward in a defensive role a few weeks ago and kicked four. He's not going to take up the role permanently though, as he's versatility is far more important to the team.

You make these claims about being a HBF, but this seems to be more your internal version of the player rather than Gibbs himself; this year he's been more of a run-with/role player all over the ground. Half those stats you put up earlier have been done on Gibbs end by playing on and limiting the likes of Moloney, Pendlebury and Goodes; as was his role.

You might rate Beams better some player you're describing here, you're just not describing Gibbs as a player, that's all.

 

[Pie in the Sky]

No way, Beams plays mostly Fwd, he has a backmen manning him up, Gibbs plays HB and 'sometimes' he has a defensive fwd but a defensive fwd wont man him up like a backman would a fwd.

Fact is many teams this year have decided to put more work into Yarran than Gibbs, honest Blue fans will admit this too.

I wouldn't call him a 'failed' midfielder, he's played in there and put in some good games this year. Carlton seem to have used him in many different roles, he is quite a versatile player. I think this year he's played as a mid more often than not? Maybe he hasn't lived up to the hype of when he was drafted, he is still a very good player though.