Grading the Barry Hall Incident

[Coyote]

He will get off.

 

[theorangeapple]

He will get off.

I agree.

 

[Sexiano Ronaldo]

Maybe some of the armchair tribunal 'experts' can also provide legal advice in the impending court case which will see Hall get off anyway?

Dunkley has already given his support to such a move. Pity it didn't work in '96.

 

[ndot]

players who 'take a dive' do not stay down for 30-60secs and watch their opponent kick a goal.

hall will go, just accept it people.

 

[Embers]

players who 'take a dive' do not stay down for 30-60secs and watch their opponent kick a goal.

hall will go, just accept it people.

Just a question, Does anyone think Travis Gaspar will go.

 

[Kapow!!!]

Forgetting one thing.

There is NO VIDEO EVIDENCE.

Barry Hall's body obscures the hand, and there's no evidence that contact is made.

It rests on mcguire's shoulders now. He can either say he faked it, or dob Hall in and live the rest of his life knowing he was the one that got inthe way of a player playing in his first grand final.

Second Grand Final (he played in the 1997 Grand Final for the Saints) and yes Maguire would never live it down, especially seeing how long he was on the ground that just looks pretty suspicious (either way).

If Hall goes, Gaspar goes. Personally I hope they both play and it's a great Grand Final.

 

[Kapow!!!]

players who 'take a dive' do not stay down for 30-60secs and watch their opponent kick a goal.

hall will go, just accept it people.

Some players do go to some extreme lengths to get the attention of the umpires.

 

[austinthedog]

Just a question, Does anyone think Travis Gaspar will go.

in my opinion, no. mcgregor ducked low to charge into gasper, and he put his forearm up to protect himself. the only reason it got him in the jaw is mcgregors body height whilst advancing on him.

I dont think hall should go either. it all comes down to consistency. the fact that it is a gf should have no bearing on the decision and the incident treated like any other during the home and away matches. having said that, then by rights he should go. but i'd like to see him play.

 

[theorangeapple]

Maybe some of the armchair tribunal 'experts' can also provide legal advice in the impending court case which will see Hall get off anyway?

I dont know how or why he will get off...but I think he will.

 

[TheMase]

It showed contact, just where to wasn't conclusive. There is more than enough evidence there to make a conclusion. Players don't fake like that for that long in a Preliminary final. Wake up!

For starters Barry Hall was not even looking in the direction of McGuire, but in the direction of the ball.
When Barry's arm came into contact with McGuires body his arm did not flex and therefore litle force behind his punch (if Barry Hall really hit him, he'd be down for far more than a minute).
And him going down? They had mentioned he had been looking gingerly, perhaps Barry just irritated an existing injury.

 

[Embers]

Funny on Sportsworld, how they were all saying Gaspar would go but Hall wouldnt, IMO there both exactly the same thing, Halls had more impact and Gaspars was higher was the only difference, If Hall goes Gaspar will go and vice versa.

 

[Kapow!!!]

Funny on Sportsworld, how they were all saying Gaspar would go but Hall wouldnt, IMO there both exactly the same thing, Halls had more impact and Gaspars was higher was the only difference, If Hall goes Gaspar will go and vice versa.

Agreed. If Hall goes, Gaspar goes however if one of them gets off the other has to get off as well!

 

[Frodo]

Two facts.

Firstly, it was intentional

Secondly, it would be impossible to 'pull' a punch at the last millisecond, so there is defacto proof that he punched him in the gut.

If either of these are not accepted then the system drops further into the mire.

 

[TheMase]

Funny on Sportsworld, how they were all saying Gaspar would go but Hall wouldnt, IMO there both exactly the same thing, Halls had more impact and Gaspars was higher was the only difference, If Hall goes Gaspar will go and vice versa.

One has clearer video footage than the other.
The Gasper incident you can see point of contact.
The Hall incident you can't.
You can not decide beyond reasonable doubt that he did not hit him with an open hand.

 

[Embers]

One has clearer video footage than the other.
The Gasper incident you can see point of contact.
The Hall incident you can't.
You can not decide beyond reasonable doubt that he did not hit him with an open hand.

Falling to the ground, costing a goal and throwing up with the video footage is enough evidence for me

 

[Frodo]

Agreed. If Hall goes, Gaspar goes however if one of them gets off the other has to get off as well!

No

In one case an umpire was two metres away and gave the free with no report. In the other the umpires didn't see it. They need to back the umpire.

Secondly, good behaviour has to come into it. That could put Gaspar just under but not Hall.

Thirdly, Gaspar was prematch jousting, both players involved. Hall was premeditated with the oponent not expecting it. Jousting with an elbow slipping high is not equal to pure thuggery.

 

[Kapow!!!]

One has clearer video footage than the other.
The Gasper incident you can see point of contact.
The Hall incident you can't.
You can not decide beyond reasonable doubt that he did not hit him with an open hand.

I think the fact that Maguire went down, no matter how fake it looked is conclusive enough

 

[ShaiGuY]

If Maguire was injured - why didn't he go off the field so a reserve could replace him on Hall? Intentional or not - if you know you cannot stay on your player- particularly when it's a key player and 1 which can hurt your team why don't you get off the field asap.

 

[TheMase]

I think the fact that Maguire went down, no matter how fake it looked is conclusive enough

Chris Grant.

 

[Frodo]

It would be impossible to open the hand from a fist in the timeframe. And if he did try he'd have broken fingers now.

 

[coasting]

It didn't look fake at all. By the look on Maguire's face he was in a fair bit of pain.

 

[theorangeapple]

If Maguire was injured - why didn't he go off the field so a reserve could replace him on Hall? Intentional or not - if you know you cannot stay on your player- particularly when it's a key player and 1 which can hurt your team why don't you get off the field asap.

Well I didnt see the game so I cant pass specific judgement but normally when a player runs off injured then it would leave his opponent free to do what he likes. It takes quite abit of time for a player to leave the ground and the replacement to come out.

If Maguire was faking...I dont think he would have stayed down for long. He would have done the obligitory dive but get straight back up once he realised the umpire hadnt seen it.

 

[Bloods Rule!]

I think that it going to court this time is highly unlikely. That was a matter of the AFL tribunal system not meeting the requirements of natural justice by having adequate appeal systems (and the introduction of late evidence - on Wednesday!). Now it does. Kinda.

But if there is any doubt on the evidence - on both Hall and Gaspar - I think they'll get off. Despite the commonsense opinion that there is footage of the incident, there isn't enough. There's no shot of the actual contact. As Hall was turning left while Maguire was running through, Hall's defense can introduce enough doubt about intention and whether he opened his hand when he realised Maguire's stomach would hit his hand that he can probably avoid suspension.

Because of what's at stake, it needs to be beyond a reasonable doubt. And there is an element of doubt for Hall. I've only seen the Gaspar incident when it occured but apparently McLeod ducked into the elbow. If so, the same applies and both play.

But you can bet that people with much better knowledge of evidentiary requirements are looking at the incident right now. It has not missed a single Sydney news bulletin for about 36 hours now. It's probably seem slightly less biased if the most recent newsreader hadn't ended with "Go Swannies".

That announced that Roos has told Ch7 that he has reason to believe that Hall will not be charged - or found guilty - it was a bit vague on that. But it was not just that he thought he'd get off.

I hope it's decided today - not left until Brownlow day.

BTW the number of Eagles supporters who suddenly have an interest in limiting violence in AFL is gratifying.

Go Swannies.

 

[theorangeapple]

But if there is any doubt on the evidence - on both Hall and Gaspar - I think they'll get off. Despite the commonsense opinion that there is footage of the incident, there isn't enough. There's no shot of the actual contact. As Hall was turning left while Maguire was running through, Hall's defense can introduce enough doubt about intention and whether he opened his hand when he realised Maguire's stomach would hit his hand that he can probably avoid suspension.

Intent??? How could you argue that motion of punching had anyother intent? It wasnt like Maguire had the ball on his chest.

 

[1908]

Are you people fair dinkum??? Wasn't Hall the captain? Where's the discipline? It was undisciplined and a cheap shot.
Heavy weight boxer? You people can't be serious up north they laugh at this sort of stuff. If you're going to punch someone punch them if not get on with the game.
You people are a joke.
Here's an idea why don't you talk about it all week and let the Herald Sun dedicate 12 pages to this "incident".
Yes I'm a thugby fan and I'm going now, you people are really funny.