Roast Hardwick outcoached again

[CoggaRules]

i didnt mention freo, which i agree had some out, but all i said was the crows and wce are not playing anywhere near what they produced last year and i stand by that. you can disagree but just like yours it's my op.

Granted the crows are completely out of form, but come on dude, the eagles were up by 40 or so against the Power...so this out of form shit dont hold sway with them...you dont go 40 points up when you are "out of form". You lose those games because the team you are playing are flying...

 

[Equus]

Damien Hardwick 0 v Ross Lyon 9

 

[cairo tiger]

Damien Hardwick 0 v Ross Lyon 9

the bloke has a hard on every time he coaches against us, it is the easiest gig going around.

I am sick of honourable losses. I want to be great again. anyone with me?

 

[Rayzorwire]

Don't know haven't seen it, what I have seen is the vision of 14 players in the D50 at the time of the throw in. So I'm not sure what Richo suggests is entirely true.

OK, understood.

Richo and Hardwick and all the other people who comented on it were wrong, you're right.

Good luck with that.

Those finalists are a shadow of their former selves.

Unlike Collingwood, missing half their midfield and all the rest?

Unlike Freo, missing the two players they've built the franchise around - Pavlich and Sandilands - AND losing Bradley so early on?

Both these sides have struggled this year and would be in quite a bit of trouble if we'd handed them the defeats we should have.

Granted the crows are completely out of form, but come on dude, the eagles were up by 40 or so against the Power...so this out of form shit dont hold sway with them...you dont go 40 points up when you are "out of form". You lose those games because the team you are playing are flying...

Absolutely, California.

It was a rewind back to the days where teams still feared Port if they were 10 goals up heading into the last quarter. Except this time it was with a list that as far as I can recall, were universally tipped to finish bottom 4-6.

Great coach and teacher, using every scrap of talent he has available and getting the most out of everyone. They're a joy to watch ATM and good luck to them.

 

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OK, understood.

Richo and Hardwick and all the other people who comented on it were wrong, you're right.

Good luck with that.

Did I say they were wrong? Nope don't think I did, I'm commenting on what I saw and what I saw was 14 players in the D50 at the time of the throw in. So while we may not have reacted as quickly as we should have(which is what I believe Hardwick and others commented on), we had numbers back at the time of the ball in. Don't believe me have a look at the footage yourself http://www.afl.com.au/video/2013-04-27/highlights-fremantle-v-richmond

Freeze the vision at the 3.30 mark and tell me how many Richmond players you count in the vision as the ball is at it's highest in the throw in. Bet you find there were 14 there.

BTW your hypocrisy on this is just too much to bear, remember when Hardwick Tuck and others said that Tuck wasn't playing because there was things that Tuck had to work on, you dismissed them as bullshit comments and that you knew better. Now that Hardwick Richo and others say something that gives you a chance to once again slip the boot in, their word is to be taken as gospel.

 

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Using this video again I want everyone to have a look at just how well Fremantle had flooded back in the last 10 seconds of the match. Everyone has been banging on about how Fremantle got their numbers back and flooded our backline and stopped us. Well in the vision as Houli kicks the ball into our F50 with 5 second left on the clock there were 7, that's right 7 Fremantle players, running back into their D50 to try and stop us from scoring. They were the only 7 Fremantle players down there, the other 11 players on the ground were all up the ground. So for all the pissing and moaning about how the Dockers are much better drilled than us when it comes to getting back and flooding the backline, I think this proves that they aren't in fact that well drilled. If anything you could say that they were lucky that there wasn't a little longer than 5 seconds left on the clock as Houlis kick went into the 50, given we had Vickery McGuane and Jack all heading towards the ball at the top of the square when the siren went.

 

[Rubber Hips]

I really don't think it's Dimmas fault that we lose games like against Freo
How dumb are some of our players that they need to to be told when we hit the lead with 90 seconds to go and Freo are launching an attack?
why werent enough players playing man on man?
why didnt we rush it through for a behind
Why were so many stupid errors made by our players?

only error I saw was in the selection of the team- Helbig in defence- sorry he aint a half back flanker
Maybe should have moved Lids to FF to mix it up and hope that Lids gets a bit of action there-Crowley can't beat lids 1 on 1 on a lead

 

[Bazzar]

Spot on RT

 

[Rubber Hips]

Using this video again I want everyone to have a look at just how well Fremantle had flooded back in the last 10 seconds of the match. Everyone has been banging on about how Fremantle got their numbers back and flooded our backline and stopped us. Well in the vision as Houli kicks the ball into our F50 with 5 second left on the clock there were 7, that's right 7 Fremantle players, running back into their D50 to try and stop us from scoring. They were the only 7 Fremantle players down there, the other 11 players on the ground were all up the ground. So for all the pissing and moaning about how the Dockers are much better drilled than us when it comes to getting back and flooding the backline, I think this proves that they aren't in fact that well drilled. If anything you could say that they were lucky that there wasn't a little longer than 5 seconds left on the clock as Houlis kick went into the 50, given we had Vickery McGuane and Jack all heading towards the ball at the top of the square when the siren went.

What I see is that our players are at the front of the pack- when at least one of them should have been behind the pack...or at least to the side( a la KB)...you notice that it was only Viks ( who competed in the pack) and had a bit of intelligence to keep running behind the pack to the goal- with an extra 2-3 seconds he may have got it. How may of our players needed to go for the mark?

Where were our smaller running players? Can't blame Dimma for player stupidity

 

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What I see is that our players are at the front of the pack- when at least one of them should have been behind the pack...or at least to the side( a la KB)...you notice that it was only Viks ( who competed in the pack) and had a bit of intelligence to keep running behind the pack to the goal- with an extra 2-3 seconds he may have got it. How may of our players needed to go for the mark?

Where were our smaller running players? Can't blame Dimma for player stupidity

That's not the point though, everyone who is belting Hardwick has praised the Dockers players for knowing to flood back into defence and give us no opportunity. As you can see in the video that isn't the case, they had a couple of players in 1-1 contests and the rest were running back into the D50 as the kick came in, unlike what everyone has claimed had happened.

 

[WATIGE]

....were our smaller running players? Can't blame Dimma for player stupidity

Yes you can because he hasn't taught them not to be stupid....oxymoron!!!!!

 

[Rubber Hips]

That's not the point though, everyone who is belting Hardwick has praised the Dockers players for knowing to flood back into defence and give us no opportunity. As you can see in the video that isn't the case, they had a couple of players in 1-1 contests and the rest were running back into the D50 as the kick came in, unlike what everyone has claimed had happened.

Dude I agree with you that Freo are not a slick team that is well coached and Dimma wasn't out coached
They had luck and a number of bad decisions by our players

 

[Rubber Hips]

Yes you can because he hasn't taught them not to be stupid....oxymoron!!!!!

How do you teach that? Eg
How do you teach Rance not to stuff up a 15 m pass?

 

[Rubber Hips]

Watch the video above, we had 14 players in the backline with 1.30 to go.

Again look at the video, we had 14 players standing next to their opponents as the ball is thrown in.

Just before the throw in the ball was heading towards the behinds but bounced into the post instead for the throw in. Goes through for a behind we lead by 4 with 90secs left and odds are we maintain control of the ball long enough to win the game.

Man I am in denial, every time I watch it I want to jump on the ground and punch the ball through the goals

 

[WATIGE]

How do you teach that? Eg
How do you teach Rance not to stuff up a 15 m pass?

Sorry Rubberhips was I a bit to obtuse?? Oxymoron refers to the argument/prediction/scarcastic presceince I wrote rather than the original post(er) (ie - agree with you )

 

[Rubber Hips]

Sorry Rubberhips was I a bit to obtuse?? Oxymoron refers to the argument/prediction/scarcastic presceince I wrote rather than the original post(er) (ie - agree with you )

Yeah got that...stupid is stupid and that is why we are all in a constant catatonic state when it comes to the actions of some of our players

 

[Del65166]

Using this video again I want everyone to have a look at just how well Fremantle had flooded back in the last 10 seconds of the match. Everyone has been banging on about how Fremantle got their numbers back and flooded our backline and stopped us. Well in the vision as Houli kicks the ball into our F50 with 5 second left on the clock there were 7, that's right 7 Fremantle players, running back into their D50 to try and stop us from scoring. They were the only 7 Fremantle players down there, the other 11 players on the ground were all up the ground. So for all the pissing and moaning about how the Dockers are much better drilled than us when it comes to getting back and flooding the backline, I think this proves that they aren't in fact that well drilled. If anything you could say that they were lucky that there wasn't a little longer than 5 seconds left on the clock as Houlis kick went into the 50, given we had Vickery McGuane and Jack all heading towards the ball at the top of the square when the siren went.

Good point...that its very very hard to shut a game down. But...
it was a pity one of our forwards didn't lead out to houli ....might have got the mark inside 50 and guaranteed a score. Instead it went to the pack of 6 - AGAIN...

If there is a criticism of our game, it is the fwd 50 entries. One of 2 more kicks/handballs in transition b/n backline and forward might work. That may slow up our frantic gamestyle, but it might eliminate some long bombs and encourage our forwards to lead more.

 

[carn tigez]

Good point...that its very very hard to shut a game down. But...
it was a pity one of our forwards didn't lead out to houli ....might have got the mark inside 50 and guaranteed a score. Instead it went to the pack of 6 - AGAIN...

If there is a criticism of our game, it is the fwd 50 entries. One of 2 more kicks/handballs in transition b/n backline and forward might work. That may slow up our frantic gamestyle, but it might eliminate some long bombs and encourage our forwards to lead more.

I think the pack kick at that stage is the right option. If you kick to a lead and miss, there's a fair chance of the opposition gaining uncontested possession and running it out. But kicking to the pack allows you to have a second crack at the ball on ground level if you don't mark it and prevents the opposition from getting the chance to run minutes off the clock with possession footy.

 

[turtle27]

I think the pack kick at that stage is the right option. If you kick to a lead and miss, there's a fair chance of the opposition gaining uncontested possession and running it out. But kicking to the pack allows you to have a second crack at the ball on ground level if you don't mark it and prevents the opposition from getting the chance to run minutes off the clock with possession footy.

The bigger tick would have been to give it to Cotch who had some more time and space. Think he could have got to 50 and had a shot.

 

[Dusty Cotch]

[quote="_RT_, post: , given we had Vickery McGuane and Jack all heading towards the ball at the top of the square when the siren went.[/quote] That is the other thing that pissed me off.Where the the hell was our fresh sub Nahas? If he or any other small crumber was at our 3 talls feet .We may have spent the last few days talking about our great escape victory.Mind boggling that we had no small at the fall of that ball.

 

[Madtiger2006]

here we go again mt, round 2?

I can assure you I am not getting rich. I can also assure you, as stated before I keep an active involvement in the game, our great club and the way footy is moving. My comments are only my own and I appreciate the great bloke thing about dimma, but I question the way our coaching staff have taken the players to the next level in skill, knowledge, decision making, game strategy and thinking. That is thier role. That is what they are paid to do. For us members I for one see the same mistakes, the same poor skills under pressure and the same game plans. That is all, sorry for any innuendos about dimma as a person.

I'm just teasing ya. Btw do you watch our games live overseas?

 

[Rayzorwire]

Did I say they were wrong?

How else would you like me or anyone else to interpret your quote from above?:

So I'm not sure what Richo suggests is entirely true.

Freeze the vision...

If Richo and Hardwick himself has commented on why players didn't get to where they should have been, when they should have been there, why on earth would you even attempt to argue that they were in the right places at the right time?

BTW your hypocrisy on this is just too much to bear, remember when Hardwick Tuck and others said that Tuck wasn't playing because there was things that Tuck had to work on, you dismissed them as bullshit comments and that you knew better. Now that Hardwick Richo and others say something that gives you a chance to once again slip the boot in, their word is to be taken as gospel.

Wow.

Using a source you usually find flawless (Hardwick) so you'll actually accept you may be wrong, clearly has no effect either.

 

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How else would you like me or anyone else to interpret your quote from above?:

Again where have I said they were wrong, there was about a minute of time(30-45 seconds of game time) between when we hit the front and when the Dockers kicked that last goal. Fair to suggest that the furiously trying to get players to flood back was during that time and not when the goal was kicked given the footage shows that we had14 players in the D50 at the time the goal was kicked, that is what I have been arguing, that we actually had flooded back unlike what you and others have claimed.

If Richo and Hardwick himself has commented on why players didn't get to where they should have been, when they should have been there, why on earth would you even attempt to argue that they were in the right places at the right time?

Wow.

Using a source you usually find flawless (Hardwick) so you'll actually accept you may be wrong, clearly has no effect either.

Once again, you have constantly disregarded Hardwicks and others comments about plenty of things, Tucks treatment in particular, but now that you have something that apparently backs up your point of view on this subject his word is suddenly gospel and should be treated as so.




Perhaps it's time that you admit that you may have got either this or Tuck wrong.

 

[Rayzorwire]

And here we are again...

 

[theflea]

Granted the crows are completely out of form, but come on dude, the eagles were up by 40 or so against the Power...so this out of form shit dont hold sway with them...you dont go 40 points up when you are "out of form". You lose those games because the team you are playing are flying...

You could also say only a poor team could lose when 41 pts up. Any way you cut the eagles arent in form.