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I wouldn't say none currently exists. And a local cub of its own will surely grow the demand that's currently there.

Ok, maybe 'none' was the wrong choice of words. Some demand, but not enough for an AFL team without significant support. Therefore 'insufficient' demand.

I am not convinced that that a team would surely grow demand. Has the Storm grown demand in Melbourne? Maybe. I guess its debatable. If so, not much. In another example, did Australian rugbies national comp build demand or more clearly show how insignificant rugby is in Australia and therefore erode demand? Again debatable. I would say the latter.

If you look at the decline of various sports and clubs in Australia, once they appear to have been rejected, they go down in popularity quite quickly. In rugby union's case, their national league was quite silly because it proved how unpopular union actually is. Prior to that, union could make big boasts without having those boasts being tested. I think the code's image took a blow when its national league clarified where it existed in popularity.

Head to head with rugby league on the Gold Coast, the AFL will lose. It's silly to think otherwise. That loss will be used by rugby league to its advantage. If you must go head to head with league, you should do it in a way that you can win. If you can't win, keep out of the battle until you can.

A bit like the chicken or the egg argument. The AFL obviously feel they need the chicken AND the egg. The theory is that a local club will further inspire local juniors to choose Australian Football to play (thus going hand in hand with junior development), and for locals to watch it.

I don't think you need your own team to either play or watch AFL. You said you came from regional Victoria. Did you you need an VFL/AFL team in your region to inspire you to play or watch the VFL/AFL?

Patience is a virtue. As long as the AFL keeps its development funds flowing to the Gold Coast, players will be drafted, local newspapers in Queensland will write profiles about the drafties, and their friends and families will watch their progress. That will do more for building television ratings than any new Gold Coast team playing in front of crowds of 10,000 or so.
 
1) It was a very smart move for the TV stations to come out and tell the AFL they are dreaming if they think two hollow franchises in non-AFL states will hand them a billion on a plate.

2) On the other hand, never underestimate the appeal of a truly national competition. It is what has made A-League such a force in Australian sport.

1) Have you got a link to this?
2) Soccer is no more "truly national" now than it was in the 80's. The A-League is doing well for other reasons...
 

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1) Have you got a link to this?
2) Soccer is no more "truly national" now than it was in the 80's. The A-League is doing well for other reasons...

The NSL was never seen as a national league. It was seen as an ethnic league for migrants. Now it is a true national league and without doubt the most national of all the football codes.
 
Right, well there's a couple of pretty ordinary responses...

1) Ok, 1986 onwards then...ffs...it's still the 80's...!

2) The most national of the leagues? The AFL draws its players from every state and territory - soccer doesn't have that system in place yet. Its methods of recruiting are no different to how they were back then. Both leagues ignore Tasmania as far as franchises go, but soccer doesn't play in every state and territory - the AFL does for points...and the "migrants" statement is just an angle...everyone knew how those clubs were formed, and how it got even worse when Collingwood and Carlton jumped on board, but that's irrelevant - a team in every mainland state says "national" to me, even back then...

Fishmonger, where's that link...anyone? My whole tv rights argument revolves around it!
 
Right, well there's a couple of pretty ordinary responses...

1) Ok, 1986 onwards then...ffs...it's still the 80's...!

2) The most national of the leagues? The AFL draws its players from every state and territory - soccer doesn't have that system in place yet. Its methods of recruiting are no different to how they were back then. Both leagues ignore Tasmania as far as franchises go, but soccer doesn't play in every state and territory - the AFL does for points...and the "migrants" statement is just an angle...everyone knew how those clubs were formed, and how it got even worse when Collingwood and Carlton jumped on board, but that's irrelevant - a team in every mainland state says "national" to me, even back then...

Fishmonger, where's that link...anyone? My whole tv rights argument revolves around it!

AFL - 10 teams in one city. Grand final in one city. Brownlow in one city. The AFL is Melbourne centric.
 
AFL - 10 teams in one city. Grand final in one city. Brownlow in one city. The AFL is Melbourne centric.

Yeah - what of it? There's also everything else I said above. The GF and Brownlow aren't relevant in this discussion, and in any case, the Brownlow was held in Sydney a couple of years ago.

Just because the A-league has gone for a one team per city approach, does not make it any more of a national league. What - now you'll tell me the NFL doesn't have a team in all 50 states, while having two in NY, Pennsylvania, Florida and 3 in California, and therefore can't be considered truly national, and the EPL plays the closest thing it's got to a GF every time at Wembley, so it can't either...
 
Yeah - what of it? There's also everything else I said above. The GF and Brownlow aren't relevant in this discussion, and in any case, the Brownlow was held in Sydney a couple of years ago.

Just because the A-league has gone for a one team per city approach, does not make it any more of a national league. What - now you'll tell me the NFL doesn't have a team in all 50 states, while having two in NY, Pennsylvania, Florida and 3 in California, and therefore can't be considered truly national, and the EPL plays the closest thing it's got to a GF every time at Wembley, so it can't either...

We are not comparing the AFL to the NFL. We are comparing the A-league to the AFL. I am not a soccer man but I concede they have the most national league out of all the football codes.
 
I am not a soccer man but I concede they have the most national league out of all the football codes.

Why?

AFL and soccer have teams in similar states? Why is one more national than the other?

Soccer has 1 team in WA, VIC and SA

NT is not a soccer area more Aussie Rules and if any sport being second its RL to a degree
 
Why?

AFL and soccer have teams in similar states? Why is one more national than the other?

Soccer has 1 team in WA, VIC and SA

NT is not a soccer area more Aussie Rules and if any sport being second its RL to a degree

Because soccer is equally spread. The league is not biased to the benefit of one city. Furthermore, if it keeps growing as it has been, it will join cricket as one of the few sports where you can meet sports fans Australia wide and have the sport as a topic of discussion.
 
Because soccer is equally spread. The league is not biased to the benefit of one city. Furthermore, if it keeps growing as it has been, it will join cricket as one of the few sports where you can meet sports fans Australia wide and have the sport as a topic of discussion.


By that logic, soccer is not a world game. It is way stronger in Europe than anywhere else.

Note: i dont think soccer is a world game anyway.
 
By that logic, soccer is not a world game. It is way stronger in Europe than anywhere else.

Note: i dont think soccer is a world game anyway.

I don't think it is a world game either. It's just closer to a world game than any other game at present. (Well, perhaps basketball has wider appeal, but its powerbase is so skewed towards America that it is difficult to say it is a world game.)
 

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Because soccer is equally spread. The league is not biased to the benefit of one city. Furthermore, if it keeps growing as it has been, it will join cricket as one of the few sports where you can meet sports fans Australia wide and have the sport as a topic of discussion.

Because netball is equally spread. The league is not biased to the benefit of one city. Furthermore, if it keeps growing as it has been, it will continue as one of the few sports where you can meet sports fans Australia wide and have the sport as a topic of discussion.
 
Because netball is equally spread. The league is not biased to the benefit of one city. Furthermore, if it keeps growing as it has been, it will continue as one of the few sports where you can meet sports fans Australia wide and have the sport as a topic of discussion.

So you have some statistics about netball's growth? I wasn't aware that it was growing as quickly as soccer.
 
Because netball is equally spread. The league is not biased to the benefit of one city. Furthermore, if it keeps growing as it has been, it will continue as one of the few sports where you can meet sports fans Australia wide and have the sport as a topic of discussion.

Yeah, but nobody cares about netball. And sadly, nobody cares about women's sport.
 
Is that right? I like watching Australia v New Zealand netball tests - almost always close. And I would rather watch the netball world cup than the rugby league world cup by far. Don't think I could ever start watching domestic games though.
 

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Is that right? I like watching Australia v New Zealand netball tests - almost always close. And I would rather watch the netball world cup than the rugby league world cup by far.

That's because you're use to watching effeminate games, plus the fact no woman could possibly find you attractive :eek:

Don't think I could ever start watching domestic games though.

And here I am thinking you watched these effeminate games every weekend on CH10 and 7 :p
 
That's because you're use to watching effeminate games, plus the fact no woman could possibly find you attractive

Is this what you watch then ?

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Actually, it's just as strong in South America, Central America, Africa, West Asia and in parts of East Asia.

Soccer is an nsignificant sport in India, China, and Nth America. Considering that more people live in India than Europe and South America combined that is significant.

Soccer, cricket are basketball are the closest things things there are to world games but none of them unite the world and each sport has unequal levels of support across the globe.

Soccer fans need to argue that it is the world game just goes to show how important image and titles are.
 
Is this what you watch then ?


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Hell no. :mad:

I don't know what to say about these pics actually, is this typical of Rugby Union? :eek:

That's just plain sick, and who in their right mind would go and watch something like this and think of taking their camera so they can get some sick pics?

Disgusting.
 

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