Have Geelong sold their future?

[Catatonic Shock]

I'm fine with what happened but people who think we wont pay for it eventually are living in lala land

True to a point.
"Pay for it" is extremely subjective, I'd say we will "pay for it" but it could also bring in a flag or 2 before that happens.
I also back the club to ensure that when that "pay for it" timeframe is close that they would have a group capable of ensuring it doesn't actually cost us anything as far as ladder position is concerned.
To get these players to the club it basically cost us 2 first rounders 2 years in a row, hardly breaking the bank and when you consider the Hawks haven't had a first round pick since 1909 I don't think we will "feel" that much of a impact from it, atleast in a negative way.

 

[bph25]

did you?

not all players play well into their 30's, will be surprised if Hawkins and Selwood do, a lot of our always injured guys wont make it past 28 either, a fringe player like Scott Selwood might only make it to 28 also

6 stars out of 16 with rubbish draft picks? you are dreaming

we will likely get 7 list cloggers this year and a few more next year (assuming we lose 3 oldies in addition to the guys who aren't up to it and perennial injured)

assuming we at least have 10 list cloggers by the end of next year then in a couple of years after we will have a depth problem (as those players don't turn into stars or very good players)

it's nice when picks 50 turn into good players but it's not as common as people think

Next year we will be back in the draft.
We have a second round and two third rounders. I'm guessing we will manage to find a first round by trade.
Then the following year we are back to normal and the following year also back to normal.
If wells can't find 6 good players over four years with 3 first rounders at least 3 second rounders 4 3rd rounders then his tough choices well ill be stuffed.
Another the sky is falling post from
Someone with no idea.

 

[Eudes]

Next year we will be back in the draft.
We have a second round and two third rounders. I'm guessing we will manage to find a first round by trade.
Then the following year we are back to normal and the following year also back to normal.
If wells can't find 6 good players over four years with 3 first rounders at least 3 second rounders 4 3rd rounders then his tough choices well ill be stuffed.
Another the sky is falling post from
Someone with no idea.

You saw his user name right?

 

[Strangled Cat]

I'm fine with what happened but people who think we wont pay for it eventually are living in lala land

That is the way of life. Risk and reward. Clubs exist to win premierships. I'd rather the club go all out and take risks to win a flag because they back themselves to win one over playing it safe and plodding in the middle order. If it doesn't work out that we win a flag, it still won't be a bad decision. You've got to maximise your chances, and what we've done ensures this. I think you're overstating just how much we've had to give up. I don't think it's that excessive, anyway.

 

[dazbroncos]

I'm fine with what happened but people who think we wont pay for it eventually are living in lala land

Well, first of I live in LALA land. The real one.

I get your point about the cost of doing the trades we have done, and I back Wells to hit more than he misses in the draft. But id also say that given our last few draft have provided good talent im not sure we will have as a big a price to pay as some may consider.

Given Motlop, Thurlow, Bews, Kolo, Lang, Cocky, Gregson and even Cunico ( granted its VFL) have shown a bit, Id suggest that the gradual development of younger players will still continue even with the 4 we have brought in. Now granted, we don't have Rd1 this or next year, but thats not to say we wont have picks. Just not high ones. And even if after 4 picks this year and 4 next year ( for example) Wells get 2 that stay on the list, I don't feel were are paying too huge a cost given the talent brought in this year in trades.

Go Catters

 

[dazbroncos]

Next year we will be back in the draft.
We have a second round and two third rounders. I'm guessing we will manage to find a first round by trade.
Then the following year we are back to normal and the following year also back to normal.
If wells can't find 6 good players over four years with 3 first rounders at least 3 second rounders 4 3rd rounders then his tough choices well ill be stuffed.
Another the sky is falling post from
Someone with no idea.

Im not sure about no idea - but I think the concept of us being stuffed just because we are without 3 picks is a bit melodramatic. Especially when the 4 players we traded in have not played a game yet. And as you say, we are not devoid of picks in totality - just 3 high picks.
Not to mention, with Boris, Jimmy, Domsy, all coming to end of contract times and not a guarantee going into 2017, there will be more SC room going forward to perhaps attract a 21yo OOC player that perhaps calls the Surf Coast / Geelong Falcons home. ( or even a certain Taswegian with a brother at the club…) but you get my point...

GO Catters

 

[geelong_crazy26]

did you?

not all players play well into their 30's, will be surprised if Hawkins and Selwood do, a lot of our always injured guys wont make it past 28 either, a fringe player like Scott Selwood might only make it to 28 also

6 stars out of 16 with rubbish draft picks? you are dreaming

we will likely get 7 list cloggers this year and a few more next year (assuming we lose 3 oldies in addition to the guys who aren't up to it and perennial injured)

assuming we at least have 10 list cloggers by the end of next year then in a couple of years after we will have a depth problem (as those players don't turn into stars or very good players)

it's nice when picks 50 turn into good players but it's not as common as people think

All your doing is making predictions based on the worst case scenario , you can make any clubs future look bad by doing this.

Hawthorn ,Sydney,Fremantle and North all have players over 30 playing well . No reason Selwood and Hawkins can not do the same , Selwood has hardly had an injury in his career while Hawkins greatest asset is his strength which he will keep well into his 30s.

What's stopping us from trading draft picks away for 25 year old players in 7 years time again ?

 

[bph25]

Im not sure about no idea - but I think the concept of us being stuffed just because we are without 3 picks is a bit melodramatic. Especially when the 4 players we traded in have not played a game yet. And as you say, we are not devoid of picks in totality - just 3 high picks.
Not to mention, with Boris, Jimmy, Domsy, all coming to end of contract times and not a guarantee going into 2017, there will be more SC room going forward to perhaps attract a 21yo OOC player that perhaps calls the Surf Coast / Geelong Falcons home. ( or even a certain Taswegian with a brother at the club…) but you get my point...

GO Catters

I'm tipping the best way of going forward is only using 2 of your first round picks every 4 years.
Pinching an established player in their early 20s who wants to go home allows you to skip the risk of getting a dud and you
jump 4-5 years of development years.
Geelong just happens to be the first to do it.
I actually think they will end up changing it as I believe the teams that take advantage of it first will benefit too much.
Especially geelong who always have a lot of falcons boys looking to get home.
Some people always look for a negative and cant see past their own nose.
Lucky we have Stephen Wells in charge.

 

[Son_Of_God29]

Fans say we have traded our future but dont be surprised if we dont trade back into the 1st round next season in the 2016 trade period

Given the Academy points system we could quite easily turn our 2nd rounder into a 1st

 

[THE CAT WRANGLER]

It's a given Dan Menzel will join his brother in SA we should have offered up Murdoch & GHS

 

[Catman]

It's a given Dan Menzel will join his brother in SA we should have offered up Murdoch & GHS

It is?

 

[David the Cat]

It's a given Dan Menzel will join his brother in SA we should have offered up Murdoch & GHS

Perhaps you could also let us all know who wins the Cup this year while you're at it....

 

[DV2000]

the Hawks haven't had a first round pick since 1909

Are you sure this statement is correct? it doesn't seem right....

 

[Art Vandelay_]

It is?

It isn't. Just unsubstantiated nonsense.

 

[Rosso]

Just wondering, has anyone gone from a rookie listed player (so picked up normally after say pick 66) and ended up any good?

Also just need to check if a round 1 pick comes with a certificate of guarantee that they will be a 200+ game club champion?

Maybe it's me getting concerned by us only bringing in one of the best players in the comp, a proven KPP, B&F winning run with mid and an actual ruckman with mobility.

Seriously some of you need to go to a glass half full convention and think happy thoughts.

We are coming off one of the toughest draws last year and couldn't take a trick with injuries. Yet we only just missed out on the finals thanks to a few appalling performances. I'm hoping for a much improved showing next season back up at the pointy end of the ladder. Our 4 recruits together with more games from the likes of Duncan, Menzel, Vardy, Clark, Stanley and Bartel should put us in a pretty good position. Hawkins, Selwood, Taylor and Motlop were all down at stages last year so hoping for bigger seasons from them.

You need a lot to go right to win a flag. Us, Hawthorn and Sydney have been doing more right than wrong over the past decade.

 

[Turbocat]

Well, first of I live in LALA land. The real one.

I get your point about the cost of doing the trades we have done, and I back Wells to hit more than he misses in the draft. But id also say that given our last few draft have provided good talent im not sure we will have as a big a price to pay as some may consider.

Given Motlop, Thurlow, Bews, Kolo, Lang, Cocky, Gregson and even Cunico ( granted its VFL) have shown a bit, Id suggest that the gradual development of younger players will still continue even with the 4 we have brought in. Now granted, we don't have Rd1 this or next year, but thats not to say we wont have picks. Just not high ones. And even if after 4 picks this year and 4 next year ( for example) Wells get 2 that stay on the list, I don't feel were are paying too huge a cost given the talent brought in this year in trades.

Go Catters

Thats very true Daz..cant argue with that. I think this great uncertainty come from so much drastic change ... to me does indicate we have lost our way somewhere , somehow and are now attempting course correction. If it was a road trip , we have not just missed the turn off , we have taken the wrong road and not realised we were off track for hours.

So we are correcting previous misses... but are correcting old errors , or correcting errors after errors. Im not sure yet. If we have Vardy and Smith in the side, backed up with Blitz... where does Stanley fit. Clark..is he a mistake? Im still not sure. ...and yet we are losing player due to his recruitment...and they are recent correction for previous misses like Hmac....and the numerous long term injury players.

You are correct about our kids..and once we settle our list Im sure I will come to grips with losing Gore and Walker I need to see the side assembled , the actually rubber on the road.. I want see the extra grunt we now have. If we are are serious side then all the short term disruption and possible medium term pain would be worth it.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Are you sure this statement is correct? it doesn't seem right....

what was your first clue??

 

[Teriyakicat]

Just wondering, has anyone gone from a rookie listed player (so picked up normally after say pick 66) and ended up any good?

Also just need to check if a round 1 pick comes with a certificate of guarantee that they will be a 200+ game club champion?
.

Here's wiki's list of the AFL's most successful rookies- successful in playing >100 games and/or kicked 100 goals:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rookie_list#Most_successful_rookies

There's a fair few AAs, Premiership players, even a Brownlow medallist, etc. in that group!

 

[dazbroncos]

It's a given Dan Menzel will join his brother in SA we should have offered up Murdoch & GHS

Go Catters

 

[dazbroncos]

Just wondering, has anyone gone from a rookie listed player (so picked up normally after say pick 66) and ended up any good?

Also just need to check if a round 1 pick comes with a certificate of guarantee that they will be a 200+ game club champion?

Maybe it's me getting concerned by us only bringing in one of the best players in the comp, a proven KPP, B&F winning run with mid and an actual ruckman with mobility.

Seriously some of you need to go to a glass half full convention and think happy thoughts.

We are coming off one of the toughest draws last year and couldn't take a trick with injuries. Yet we only just missed out on the finals thanks to a few appalling performances. I'm hoping for a much improved showing next season back up at the pointy end of the ladder. Our 4 recruits together with more games from the likes of Duncan, Menzel, Vardy, Clark, Stanley and Bartel should put us in a pretty good position. Hawkins, Selwood, Taylor and Motlop were all down at stages last year so hoping for bigger seasons from them.

You need a lot to go right to win a flag. Us, Hawthorn and Sydney have been doing more right than wrong over the past decade.

Stokes, Shagga Byrnes, Max Rooke… ummm Blitz…

Off the top of my head…

But yes, gold can be found anywhere. Rd1 picks can be Mitch Thorpe or Joel Selwood. Pick 47 can be Boris Enright or ……. ( insert any failed 47….)

Go Catters

 

[Strangled Cat]

It's a given Dan Menzel will join his brother in SA we should have offered up Murdoch & GHS

It's a given that Kade Kolo will come to Geelong because his brother is here, playing in the closest environment to Tasmania? After everything Dan's been through, do you really think he'd bail on the club now? I guess anything is possible, but certainly not "a given". In fact, I'd be floored if it happened.

 

[Whit3y]

we will be right

when we trade ghs for a second rounder next year we will be back in the game come draft day

 

[Sttew]

Assuming we get 5 - 8 years out of Dangerfield, Henderson, Smith & Selwood, we have ample time to stock up on draft picks. So, no, we have not sold our future. We have simply bolstered our stocks in the short to medium term, something all clubs should be doing unless they want to be cellar dwellers like Carlton

 

[candiehappy]

Assuming we get 5 - 8 years out of Dangerfield, Henderson, Smith & Selwood, we have ample time to stock up on draft picks. So, no, we have not sold our future. We have simply bolstered our stocks in the short to medium term, something all clubs should be doing unless they want to be cellar dwellers like Carlton

spot on

our problem wasn't lack of young developing players. It was lack of the mid aged players, and that's what the club has tackled. Rather than selling the future, they have secured the future.

 

[candiehappy]

Here's wiki's list of the AFL's most successful rookies- successful in playing >100 games and/or kicked 100 goals:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rookie_list#Most_successful_rookies

There's a fair few AAs, Premiership players, even a Brownlow medallist, etc. in that group!

how did Sandilands come in to the system as a rookie? I thought he was more chewbacca .....