NO TROLLS Hawthorn Racism Review - Sensitive issues discussed. Part 2

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[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Geezuz, 'you're time will come' to a female journalist?
He has issues, North have to work out if it's all worth it.

Alastair Clarkson issues apology to TV news reporter for comment during altercation

‘Your time will come’: Clarkson issues apology to reporter as details of threat emerge

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Le Grille]

Geezuz, 'you're time will come' to a female journalist?
He has issues, North have to work out if it's all worth it.

Alastair Clarkson issues apology to TV news reporter for comment during altercation

‘Your time will come’: Clarkson issues apology to reporter as details of threat emerge

www.foxsports.com.au

That I’ll give you is messed up

 

[emblurr]

Clarko doing Clarko things

 

[projectv]

Geezuz, 'you're time will come' to a female journalist?
He has issues, North have to work out if it's all worth it.

Alastair Clarkson issues apology to TV news reporter for comment during altercation

‘Your time will come’: Clarkson issues apology to reporter as details of threat emerge

www.foxsports.com.au

Culture.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

With every one of these things the pool of people who actually believe Clarkson is incapable of psycho, racist behaviour gets smaller.

The bloke is a nutter.

 

[biggiemediums]

Come on. Why would I interpret every single PM I received as a secret coded message??

Irony is dead.

That's not irony brother.

 

[Adz2332]

Crazy after all the racism stuff, now threatening a female he can still be a AFL coach, let alone one that revered.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Crazy how after several hundred pages of robust discussion, there are still posters struggling with the concept of innocent until proven otherwise.

 

[boncer34]

Crazy how after several hundred pages of robust discussion, there are still posters struggling with the concept of innocent until proven otherwise.

He apologised to her. He's guilty.

 

[Makeshift Park]

He apologised to her. He's guilty.

the reference to several hundred pages might have been a clue that I was referring to the other matter

 

[boncer34]

the reference to several hundred pages might have been a clue that I was referring to the other matter

Oh.

Is an apology enough for threatening a female journalist doing her job?

 

[Saint]

Crazy how after several hundred pages of robust discussion, there are still posters struggling with the concept of innocent until proven otherwise.

Innocent of what?

We're at the stage where 90% of people think he's a douche just for the stuff which is on video or that he's apologised for (coward punch on Aitken, abusing child umpire, abusing lady journalist, punching lots of walls and things). Bloke is a tool for all that.

Then we have multiple corroborated stories that he's done a lot worse to players and their families. A good chunk of people believe that it probably doesn't matter what Clarkson says, because the corroborated stories are damning enough that there's not really much Clarkson could say to exhonerate himself.

"innocent until proven guilty" is a legal hurdle, not an opinion hurdle. The racism stories fit the pattern of behaviour and they're consistent and have contemporaneous evidence (text messages, emails etc).

I'm absolutely not clear why the AFL is allowing him to work at a club at the moment. He's clearly not got his anger or controlling nature in check. North Melbourne are opening themselves up to a level of negligence that could end the club if he does anything to any of their players at all. It's a massive risk they're taking by allowing him to work, knowing the history and his temperament.

And even if he could fully exhonerate himself from the racism stuff, he's still a massive douche, control freak, angry little man.

 

[Strange Cat]

Crazy how after several hundred pages of robust discussion, there are still posters struggling with the concept of innocent until proven otherwise.

Incredible denial of current and past behaviour

The man is unhinged and not fit to work in the industry

 

[r_boy]

What happened to SLF? Has he been banned by the Chief of Bigfoot ahem I mean Bigfooty?

 

[Sentinel]

Another incident to add to the growing list of examples of Clarkson's poor behaviour.

It's fine for North though, they hired him knowing how much of a **** he is, it's a feature not a flaw! /s

 

[Osho]

Oh.

Is an apology enough for threatening a female journalist doing her job?

Ms Moss sounds like a good person, she could have reacted differently, instead, she showed a largeness of character.

 

[Adz2332]

Innocent of what?

We're at the stage where 90% of people think he's a douche just for the stuff which is on video or that he's apologised for (coward punch on Aitken, abusing child umpire, abusing lady journalist, punching lots of walls and things). Bloke is a tool for all that.

Then we have multiple corroborated stories that he's done a lot worse to players and their families. A good chunk of people believe that it probably doesn't matter what Clarkson says, because the corroborated stories are damning enough that there's not really much Clarkson could say to exhonerate himself.

"innocent until proven guilty" is a legal hurdle, not an opinion hurdle. The racism stories fit the pattern of behaviour and they're consistent and have contemporaneous evidence (text messages, emails etc).

I'm absolutely not clear why the AFL is allowing him to work at a club at the moment. He's clearly not got his anger or controlling nature in check. North Melbourne are opening themselves up to a level of negligence that could end the club if he does anything to any of their players at all. It's a massive risk they're taking by allowing him to work, knowing the history and his temperament.

And even if he could fully exhonerate himself from the racism stuff, he's still a massive douche, control freak, angry little man.

100% and what sort of role model is he being for someone like Tarryn Thomas, who was in court today over issues with women.

 

[sr36]

Like I’ve repeated multiple times no one is privy to the information of the case. If he ends up guilty yeah absolutely rip into him and Sonja sack him and that’s it but that’s IF he’s guilty.

The investigation by professionals is going on for months. 2 days after the story broke, Sonja declared her confidence in Clarksons version if events. It was an ill-advised premature call - even if she ends up being correct.
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That said, after that initial error, she has played it pretty well in my opinion.

The club statement on this latest one is going to be interesting.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Crazy how after several hundred pages of robust discussion, there are still posters struggling with the concept of innocent until proven otherwise.

Why didn’t Kangas fans apply that concept to De Goey?

 

[disco_cowboy]

As you said:


Many North supporters are proud to say that Clarkson started on the agreed date, and was not stood down for one minute.

I would hate to say that either you or others in the PR campaign are not across the facts, but that would seem to be the case.

'facts' is an interesting word.

 

[Saint]

The investigation by professionals is going on for months. 2 days after the story broke, Sonja declared her confidence in Clarksons version if events. It was an ill-advised premature call - even if she ends up being correct.
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That said, after that initial error, she has played it pretty well in my opinion.

The club statement on this latest one is going to be interesting.

They had two options. Indefinite suspension until it's over, in which case they'd need a care-taker.

Or they backed him in. Which essentially means Sonja will have to go if Clarkson has an adverse finding against him.

Since she's already rolled the dice by hiring him, probably a no-brainer to stick at it. Also, being a football club President is a lot of work, so it's not like she'd lose a lot by bowing out if Clarkson has to go.

 

[Stax on the mill]

Oh.

Is an apology enough for threatening a female journalist doing her job?

“Your time will come” is hardly a physical threat, despite your and Aristotle Knucklehead’s attempts to portray it as such.

Reporter needs to harden up a bit, or switch to reporting on Fashions on the Field.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

100% and what sort of role model is he being for someone like Tarryn Thomas, who was in court today over issues with women.

This is the problem with footy culture.

Taryn Thomas would be one of the dudes queuing up to say how awesome a bloke Clarkson is. And he'd probably be within his rights to.

But what the fan Bois out there fail to realise, is that you actually can be a great mate, and a great father figure who has his friends and family's interest at heart - whilst also being a complete bag of dog shit.

And I'm not even saying that Clarkson is, but each time he won brownie points from one his players for going into bat for them and having their best interests at heart - he's likely stitched someone else up quite badly in the process.

And also, it's highly probable that his controlling nature (if the dozens of articles are true) isn't always received as him looking out for their best interests. And in fact, could be perceived as him being an as*hole and trying to control them and being unbelievably insensitive to their specific plight.

 

[sr36]

They had two options. Indefinite suspension until it's over, in which case they'd need a care-taker.

Or they backed him in. Which essentially means Sonja will have to go if Clarkson has an adverse finding against him.

Since she's already rolled the dice by hiring him, probably a no-brainer to stick at it. Also, being a football club President is a lot of work, so it's not like she'd lose a lot by bowing out if Clarkson has to go.

Disagree. They could have just gone with waiting until the outcome. Brisbane's president isnt going to cop the same criticism if there is a negative finding, as they didn't comment on Fagans version of events.

Probably a fair bit harder for North though as Brisbane could give support to Fagan by talking positively about his time at the club, and not discuss the events at Hawthorn. Harder for North as their positive view of him is primarily based on his time at Hawthorn.

 

[Sentinel]

“Your time will come” is hardly a physical threat, despite your and Aristotle Knucklehead’s attempts to portray it as such.

Reporter needs to harden up a bit, or switch to reporting on Fashions on the Field.

You know it's almost identical to what Tarryn Thomas allegedly said ("your time is coming") to a women who he'd also allegedly threatened to beat? Was the phrase a physical threat in that instance or something that she needed to just harden up about?