How long does it take?

[richskee]

Hey guys,

Yes I'm a Melbourne supporter and god it's hard. I know the Carlton footy club recently went through the hard stages of re-building an AFL club.

On a personal level. I have turned to you guys for advice, I'm fed up with our clubs performances and I need some reinsurance that it's only going to get better.

When your at the bottom of the ladder time seems to go slow, and all i want is some improvement.

Carlton are now a promising side that will soon push for top 4. And as the wise man knows you have to 'go through the bad to get to the good'. As a supporter, how do put up with it? Is there a light at the end of the tunnel?

God it's tough. Any advice appreciated!

Cheers & good luck.

 

[thylacine60]

Your current major problem is you have bugger-all senior leaders at the club. Robbo is shot, Sylvia plays when he wants, McLean is skilled but lazy as. You are looking at 30 game players like Bates to show the way. You haven't recruited well until recently and thus you have basically a "new" team of untried youth.

Having said that, the players you do have are seriously exciting. Don't forget you will be in line to pick up Butcher and ? in this years draft when you fail to win 4 games. Your coach is fine, your supporters are shit, your facilities are nowhere atm. There will be pain but of the teams finishing outside the 8 this year, I'd probably like to be following the Dees. Good luck.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

All is good.

Who got me on Vince Elected '72 ??????

 

[thylacine60]

All is good.

Which is what I was trying to say all along. Just couldn't get the words right. Cheers, Numbers.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Which is what I was trying to say all along. Just couldn't get the words right. Cheers, Numbers.

t60 - you don't need this.

 

[BLUE BLEEDING]

you'll be out in five years i'd say.
still alot of badness to come for the dee's.

you have watts, bennell, blease, morton, grimes and strauss.
that's a few good young players. plus you have a few good young players in defence i hear.

you will get another three or four this year but then your shitness will be of close to no value next year when gold coast dominate the draft.

you will be good in years to come but you need to develop these players well otherwise it won't pay off. and with the dee's limited facilities and financial issues i don't know how that'll go.

 

[jonoman89]

It seems like it takes for ever, but when you get that first sense of turning the corner it's a great feeling. Dees will be down the bottom for 2009-2010 at a minimum i'd imagine (maybe not spoons however).

You won't be forced into the best part of a decade of squalor like us though.

 

[Shane Hird]

Hey guys,

Yes I'm a Melbourne supporter and god it's hard. I know the Carlton footy club recently went through the hard stages of re-building an AFL club.

On a personal level. I have turned to you guys for advice, I'm fed up with our clubs performances and I need some reinsurance that it's only going to get better.

When your at the bottom of the ladder time seems to go slow, and all i want is some improvement.

Carlton are now a promising side that will soon push for top 4. And as the wise man knows you have to 'go through the bad to get to the good'. As a supporter, how do put up with it? Is there a light at the end of the tunnel?

God it's tough. Any advice appreciated!

Cheers & good luck.

For a start, you should consider getting rid of that Jack Watts statement under your user name. Carlton fans were saying the same thing about Judd and look where they are now....???

 

[one eyed bluey]

5 years IMO

 

[Blue Dimension]

Don't think Melbourne will take as long as us to recover. We lost draft picks, took the route of recruiting fringe players which only set us back further.

Melbourne will likely get picks 1 and 2/3 this year and build upon the list with more youth. The issue you guys will have is the GC and Western Sydney taking the majority of earlier picks from the draft over the next few years.

Tbh, I think next year will be another giant struggle for Melbourne, and 2011 will see some more development. At best I'd say 2012 will be Melbourne's solid push for finals.

The only thing about being down so long is that you really learn to appreciate winning, and it's all the more sweeter when you start fighting your way back up the ladder.

 

[Cruiser23]

Don't think Melbourne will take as long as us to recover. We lost draft picks, took the route of recruiting fringe players which only set us back further.

Melbourne will likely get picks 1 and 2/3 this year and build upon the list with more youth. The issue you guys will have is the GC and Western Sydney taking the majority of earlier picks from the draft over the next few years.

Tbh, I think next year will be another giant struggle for Melbourne, and 2011 will see some more development. At best I'd say 2012 will be Melbourne's solid push for finals.

The only thing about being down so long is that you really learn to appreciate winning, and it's all the more sweeter when you start fighting your way back up the ladder.

Don't think this will affect them that much TBH. They have actually had a few years of quality picks (including this year). Finished 14th in 07, 16th in 08 and will finish 16th this year. That will be 4 first round picks in 3 years with all inside the top 5.

I think the clubs that will be affected the most would be the Roos, Tigers, even the Dockers, the teams that are somewhat bottoming out. These teams will probably take a little while longer.

 

[Blue Dimension]

Don't think this will affect them that much TBH. They have actually had a few years of quality picks (including this year). Finished 14th in 07, 16th in 08 and will finish 16th this year. That will be 4 first round picks in 3 years with all inside the top 5.

I think the clubs that will be affected the most would be the Roos, Tigers, even the Dockers, the teams that are somewhat bottoming out. These teams will probably take a little while longer.

Agree on Rich, Dockers and Roos especially but it still hurts Melbourne. I'd say they're halfway to 2/3 through rebuilding the list with young talent. Reckon they would have liked another year without the draft being compromised.

 

[Cruiser23]

Agree on Rich, Dockers and Roos especially but it still hurts Melbourne. I'd say they're halfway to 2/3 through rebuilding the list with young talent. Reckon they would have liked another year without the draft being compromised.

It will affect them, obviously you want the full package for being horrible but i wouldn't think there'd a great deal of hurt and it shouldn't really hinder their progress. They still should get another top 10 pick in 2010.

The Roos are in hot water though, especially if Western Sydney enter in in 2012.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

I just came across this thread, and everyone who's responded to the OP has made some good points, I reckon. A lot of intelligent comments I've seen here.

Maybe I'm a little bit mad, but I'm actually feeling positive about things even now.

Hell, without the huge injury list we've carried on and off this season, I seriously reckon we'd have won 3-4 games up to this point. And I couldn't have said that with any credibility at the same time last year.

There's no doubt that we've improved a lot since last season, but obviously there's a lot of ground to make up still.

Of course, I'm a Royboy as well as a Demons supporter though, so I'm more patient than most

 

[LemmingMaster]

Those tough times really test your resolve and for some people it makes you a little more grounded. Those years were the first real taste of long term failure I had ever experience supporting a team.

When you hit the rock bottom as Carlton did, the only way to improve your club is from the top down. Get the board and president sorted and watch the rest fall into place. Most of the successful clubs over many years have had a solid board and this then links to the team. West Coast, Geelong and Sydney are prime examples of the strength at board level. Brian Cook is a legend in my mind.

Obviously having the talent on the field is also highly important and that is where Melbourne have been doing a great job(last 4 or so years). The problem with Melbourne may come down to the 23-28 age bracket, your depth and consistent performance is not there, once you get a good core group of players in that age bracket, then you will be able to push forward.

With regards to the coach, he is doing a job that not many people would like to do, a full rebuild. He may last 3-5 years and complete the task of rebuilding, for another coach to come in and enjoy the fruits of his hard work.

Just on a side note, while GC and West Sydney will hurt the bottom teams, it will still hurt the top teams. Some teams will not see a pick until around 20-30 in most normal years, most years the talent gets a little thin at those levels.

 

[bLuEbOy1984]

no matter how long it is...just never give up on your side

 

[gbatman]

Melbourne are on the right track and going about things the right way and still have a long way to go. Unfortunatly the new sides are going to hamper the deamons development.
You guys need to draft awesomly, I think you have picked up some very good kids, so just enjoy the new faces and promising youth.

 

[CarltonFan]

Your current major problem is you have bugger-all senior leaders at the club. Robbo is shot, Sylvia plays when he wants, McLean is skilled but lazy as. You are looking at 30 game players like Bates to show the way. You haven't recruited well until recently and thus you have basically a "new" team of untried youth.

spot on.

not only on field leaership, but off field aswell. people underestimate the effect Chris Judd has had on the kids at CFC off the footy field.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Actually, Sylvia's been damn good for us lately IMO, and even consistent with it throughout recent games. If he maintains this effort, or even improves on it, he'll be in our leadership group before long as well I reckon, as well as being on his way towards elite status.

As for Brock, he's still recovering from the long-term injury he had last year, and he didn't have much of a pre-season this time. The slowness this year is a consequence of that I think.

 

[parrot]

Hey guys,

Yes I'm a Melbourne supporter and god it's hard. I know the Carlton footy club recently went through the hard stages of re-building an AFL club.

On a personal level. I have turned to you guys for advice, I'm fed up with our clubs performances and I need some reinsurance that it's only going to get better.

When your at the bottom of the ladder time seems to go slow, and all i want is some improvement.

Carlton are now a promising side that will soon push for top 4. And as the wise man knows you have to 'go through the bad to get to the good'. As a supporter, how do put up with it? Is there a light at the end of the tunnel?

God it's tough. Any advice appreciated!

Cheers & good luck.

Carlton's situation is different. We had a once-off few poor years related to draft penalties in an otherwise outrageously successful history. Our natural equilibrium is at the top of the competition, and now that's in the process of being restored. So why are some teams never successful?

Let looks at the teams than rarely/never achieve success...

-Collingwood- one flag in 50 years
-Richmond - no sucess for 29 years
-Bulldogs - no success for about 40 years
-Dees - no success for 40 years
-Freo - zero success ever
-Saints - no success for 40 years and 27 spoons.

What do they have in common? It's not about draft picks. It's more about Club Culture. Club culture dictates expectations. At Carlton all our young players are continually reminded that flags are the only acceptable goal. It's an obsession, and is in large part the reason why the Blues are the most successful Club in the competition i.e 16 flags. Even poor Clubs like North, have done incredibly well in terms of success in the recent past. They are very flag focussed as well. Hawks are another example. One of the main reasons the Pies have been so unsuccessful for so long, is that they are a weak excuses-ridden Club with low expectations. The challenge for the Dees is the change their Club culture radically and get serious about winning flags. They seem to be more about just surviving at the moment, and achieving accpetible performances in the H&A. The goals need to be higher.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Nobody likes to see their team lose, but by God...

If Melbourne wins more than 4 games this year, then it can only be considered a disaster of massive proportions.

 

[HiHoEverybody]

Nobody likes to see their team lose, but by God...

If Melbourne wins more than 4 games this year, then it can only be considered a disaster of massive proportions.

I couldn't agree more! If we win 5 games the entire coaching staff should be sacked on the spot.

I think GC and WS will effect us a little but considering we will have nine top twenty picks In three years (providing we draft well) should hold us In good stead. Also outside of these picks we have picked up the likes of Wonermerri, Martin, Bennel, Jurrah, Cheeney, who could be decent players.

Anyway I guess all you can do Is support and wait. Also good luck to the Blue boys this year. Id rather see you guys do well over Essendon or Collingwood.

 

[ESKIE]

I couldn't agree more! If we win 5 games the entire coaching staff should be sacked on the spot.

I think GC and WS will effect us a little but considering we will have nine top twenty picks In three years (providing we draft well) should hold us In good stead. Also outside of these picks we have picked up the likes of Wonermerri, Martin, Bennel, Jurrah, Cheeney, who could be decent players.

Anyway I guess all you can do Is support and wait. Also good luck to the Blue boys this year. Id rather see you guys do well over Essendon or Collingwood.

Thanks for the comments, good to read something positive from another supporter, it;s appreciated.

It;s really bloody awful when you're hovering on the bottom, it;s tough and you just have to hang in there. You have a some talent there and you played some really spirited footy this year, was great to see you knock off Richmond. The last two weeks have been disappointing. Someone mentioned that you lacked on field leadership and that;s true, also the culture thing is also massively important, but of all the bottom sides, I;ve liked the way the Dees have played in patches this year and like the coach. You need to ensure you get those other picks.

I remember a few years ago, we'd just lost again, I was so pissed off I kicked the lawn mower and nearly broke my toe...so don;t try that one at home.
Wish you well, except in August when you play the Blues.

 

[kenhunter]

no matter how long it is...just never give up on your side

hear hear

 

[james Dean]

The worst part is seeing dog shit wearing you clubs jumper. I watched Andrew Walkers debut game yesterday. Adrian De Luca,Ian Prendergast, David Clarke, Brett Johnson, Jon McCormick, Glenn Bowyer All played.. We won by 50 points but my god what a list of Duds! They all got found out soon enough