Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier?

[GreyWind]

$45 for singles
$90 for families
Health care cards, pension cards and even some private health insurers are now paying for ambulance cover.

 

[pazza]

$45 for singles
$90 for families
Health care cards, pension cards and even some private health insurers are now paying for ambulance cover.

Still a lot cheaper than the alternative.

The article is a ruse and clickbait for people to get angry.

 

[Jascave]

What the Herald Sun should do is instead of going hard after Daniel Andrews, they could focus on Matthew Guy instead, because the Coalition has not fired a single shot at the Labor Government that might cause voters to switch their support to them. The Opposition can't rely on the Herald Sun to do their work for them. The problem for the Coalition is there is not enough talent on the Opposition to take the fight up to Labor and Daniel Andrews.


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[pazza]

What will help the Liberals is the removal of Guy as leader.

Wooldridge has been a decent health spokesperson as has O'Brien as Shadow Treasurer.

 

[Jascave]

What will help the Liberals is the removal of Guy as leader.

Wooldridge has been a decent health spokesperson as has O'Brien as Shadow Treasurer.

Don't think I've ever seen a more ineffective Opposition Leader in Victorian politics than Matthew Guy.

Maybe the Coalition could make a call out to either Jeff Kennett or Peter Costello to come out of political retirement and unseat Guy as Opposition Leader in time for the 2018 Victorian election.


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[Ice-Wolf]

Don't think I've ever seen a more ineffective Opposition Leader in Victorian politics than Matthew Guy.

Maybe the Coalition could make a call out to either Jeff Kennett or Peter Costello to come out of political retirement and unseat Guy as Opposition Leader in time for the 2018 Victorian election.


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Bring back Ted the Toff!

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Don't think I've ever seen a more ineffective Opposition Leader in Victorian politics than Matthew Guy.

Maybe the Coalition could make a call out to either Jeff Kennett or Peter Costello to come out of political retirement and unseat Guy as Opposition Leader in time for the 2018 Victorian election.


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WRONG.

Robert Doyle by far the worst. Had the lowest vote of any opposition leader in Victorian history I believe.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

WRONG.

Robert Doyle by far the worst. Had the lowest vote of any opposition leader in Victorian history I believe.

Yet is unstoppable as Lord Mayor. Shows just how ****ed local councils are.

 

[medusala]

Is it tax money though?

No Pess, the cash will come from the magic money tree.

 

[Pessimistic]

No Pess, the cash will come from the magic money tree.

so, same place all our CEOs get megabucks from?.

Soceity only seems to have a problem when poorer people get 'handouts'

Ambulance is mainly funded by insurance, not taxpayers, although the insured are probably taxpayers too


Don't hear the outrage when health funds jack up premiums by much more than the figures quoted

 

[Pessimistic]

Today the Hun is concentration on whether the state govt is correct on south yarra station. They totally miss that the feds (of all colours) routinely make it hard for victoria to get infrastructure funding compared to northern states.

Hun should be concentrating on this latest shortchange of victoria by $600m. if the feds want to be cute, and link it to south yarra, increase the offer to $1200m and fund the whole station.
Simple answer really

 

[Sainteric]

Still a lot cheaper than the alternative.

The article is a ruse and clickbait for people to get angry.

Qld use to levy it on your power bill or something which is smarter.

 

[pazza]

Qld use to levy it on your power bill or something which is smarter.

Could be but not everyone has power bills.

Will say though that without Ambulance membership I might not be here right now. 2 years after a major health crisis I'm thankful for every little blessing.

 

[Sainteric]

Today the Hun is concentration on whether the state govt is correct on south yarra station. They totally miss that the feds (of all colours) routinely make it hard for victoria to get infrastructure funding compared to northern states.

Hun should be concentrating on this latest shortchange of victoria by $600m. if the feds want to be cute, and link it to south yarra, increase the offer to $1200m and fund the whole station.
Simple answer really

It really stupid not having a station at south yarra access to multiple train lines takes pressure off the loop and stations it was only the cost and sth yarra isnt a labor seat that stopped it happening. The cost whilst expensive is pidling compared with the cost of the whole thing

 

[Sainteric]

Could be but not everyone has power bills.

Will say though that without Ambulance membership I might not be here right now. 2 years after a major health crisis I'm thankful for every little blessing.

Who doesnt have a power bill? Also because the base was wider the charge was less

 

[pazza]

Who doesnt have a power bill? Also because the base was wider the charge was less

Think those who don't have their first home....or who live in places like bursing homes.

 

[Sainteric]

Think those who don't have their first home....or who live in places like bursing homes.

At the moment if you are a pensioner or low income You dont get charged the $1000 for a 5km trip in an ambo anyway. I think there was a more expensive levy for places where a lot of people live. First home buyers live somewhere

 

[Elroo]

It really stupid not having a station at south yarra access to multiple train lines takes pressure off the loop and stations it was only the cost and sth yarra isnt a labor seat that stopped it happening. The cost whilst expensive is pidling compared with the cost of the whole thing

The cost was close to a billion dollars and required the destruction of about 100 homes.

 

[Sainteric]

The cost was close to a billion dollars and required the destruction of about 100 homes.

thats the view of the alp we dont want to build it justification. The guy who planned it said 400million.

 

[Elroo]

thats the view of the alp we dont want to build it justification. The guy who planned it said 400million.

Very justifiable, $1 billion to build plus 100 houses/properties destroyed.

The original cost of $400 million was based upon smaller platforms than the metro will introduce due to longer trains (more carriages) resulting in increased patronage. To accommodate the longer trains and resulting increased platform lengths required see's the cost and numbers of properties destroyed increased significantly.

 

[Pessimistic]

The cost was close to a billion dollars and required the destruction of about 100 homes.

and the poster could remind us south yarra is a three way contest these days

By the posters logic the ALP cant be playing politics then

Nothings stopping the fed libs funding the whole thing - they are putting a condition on funding which is supposed to be unconditional.

Any extra funding should be spent on making the skyrail 3 or four track past caulfield anyway

Funny how the libs are rabble rousing past caulfield about lost homes yet are desperate for 100 peopl to lose theirs in south yarra

 

[Pessimistic]

Who doesnt have a power bill? Also because the base was wider the charge was less

so subsidising people who choose to treechange?

 

[Fire]

Very justifiable, $1 billion to build plus 100 houses/properties destroyed.

The original cost of $400 million was based upon smaller platforms than the metro will introduce due to longer trains (more carriages) resulting in increased patronage. To accommodate the longer trains and resulting increased platform lengths required see's the cost and numbers of properties destroyed increased significantly.

The whole thing can be buried below the current tracks anyway, since it'll be running perpendicular to them. The only properties that would need to be demolished would be aby needed for excavation, like they are doing in the CBD. And they ain't demolishing 100 houses.

In short it's bullshit, they are trying to build it on the cheap like they did with the flyover on the RRL, and what a beauty that's been.

The point of a metro is to connect nodes efficiently. Ripping the busiest train corridor out of South Yarra is the antithesis of this. The entire project is being compromised for, worst case, a 10% cost saving shortcut.

 

[Pessimistic]

The whole thing can be buried below the current tracks anyway, since it'll be running perpendicular to them. The only properties that would need to be demolished would be aby needed for excavation, like they are doing in the CBD. And they ain't demolishing 100 houses.

In short it's bullshit, they are trying to build it on the cheap like they did with the flyover on the RRL, and what a beauty that's been.

The point of a metro is to connect nodes efficiently. Ripping the busiest train corridor out of South Yarra is the antithesis of this. The entire project is being compromised for, worst case, a 10% cost saving shortcut.

Yeah just cut 3-4 level crossing removals

Honestly if victoria got a fair go from the feds wouldnt need to penny pinch, if the libs de adicted to the political wedge it would help a lot too

 

[Elroo]

The whole thing can be buried below the current tracks anyway, since it'll be running perpendicular to them. The only properties that would need to be demolished would be aby needed for excavation, like they are doing in the CBD. And they ain't demolishing 100 houses.

In short it's bullshit, they are trying to build it on the cheap like they did with the flyover on the RRL, and what a beauty that's been.

The point of a metro is to connect nodes efficiently. Ripping the busiest train corridor out of South Yarra is the antithesis of this. The entire project is being compromised for, worst case, a 10% cost saving shortcut.

The whole thing can be buried below the current tracks anyway

No s**t an underground metro rail tunnel will be buried!

The only properties that would need to be demolished would be aby needed for excavation, like they are doing in the CBD. And they ain't demolishing 100 houses.

The current plan already results in roughly 40 houses being destroyed, just building this single station will see over another 100 destroyed.

The reason so few homes will be destroyed in the CBD is because the government has decided to go the more expensive construction model of boring rather than cut and cover. They'll also be taking over an entire street in the northern end of the CBD for 10+ years, digging a massive access hole and then boring all the way south.

Also so few homes are being destroyed at the current planned stations such as Arden st, the Domain because there no homes were the station construction will be occurring.

If a station was included in Sth Yarra, the planned work would require the compulsory acquisition and destruction of 100 homes to allow the construction of the station along with the required access/connection with the Sth Yarra station. Do you think there is open space around the current South Yarra station I dont know about?

The previous government has budgeted only $400 million for the Sth Yarra station, but that was based upon continuing with the current length of trains rather than the new trains that will be 50% longer under the proposed metro rail tunnel system.