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Come on, it was an ESSENDON point post. It got what it deserved!
Come on, it was an ESSENDON point post. It got what it deserved!
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm not trying to troll, but...
Bit of a dog's breakfast response here (Jess will get what's coming to him).So are you actually defending Matthews here? The "he did it first" defence? Are you denying it wasn't cowardly,which I thought was the point of contention in all this?
Bit of a dog's breakfast response here (Jess will get what's coming to him).So are you actually defending Matthews here? The "he did it first" defence? Are you denying it wasn't cowardly,which I thought was the point of contention in all this?
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Agree, and that is what makes the original post in this thread laughable, which is the point everyone is trying to make here.
Matthews was a coward in many ways to my mind, he was tough when it was behind the play and the player was not expecting it. Great player though.... no questions on his ability as a footballer.
Agree, and that is what makes the original post in this thread laughable, which is the point everyone is trying to make here.
Matthews was a coward in many ways to my mind, he was tough when it was behind the play and the player was not expecting it. Great player though.... no questions on his ability as a footballer.
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EXACTLY OUR POINT!! This thread was strated by a Hawk on his "high horse" and we are pointing out that there have been many Hawks that have done worse on the field.
They got suspended and so will Jess, he deserves it .... end of story.
EXACTLY OUR POINT!! This thread was strated by a Hawk on his "high horse" and we are pointing out that there have been many Hawks that have done worse on the field.
They got suspended and so will Jess, he deserves it .... end of story.
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Yep, just like your resonse prior on 4 things in 17 years. Isolate them all and then take them over the context of the period played, what he recieved during that period, penalities served etc. Matthews got what was coming to him then too. Only that didn't get mentioned. Your turn at the dogs bowl.[/QUOTE]
Not the "he did it first" rather the "you only say the replay, did you see the actual game" defence. What he did was wrong and it wasn't cowardly (imo) given the nature and state of the game that day at that precise moment and the over-all (and I've never seen a worse game for its like) shameful acts that many on the field did that day. No more so than what Sinclair did, it was a spur of the moment, ill advised and poor thing to do. What it wasn't was cowardly. If he were a coward he would have run after it (the incident) instead of, in his words "waiting for them (i.e S.Hocking) to come".
Change Jess to Leigh, change Lance to Bruns and I could have written this in 1985.
If you want to sit down and really discuss that game in full detail, I'm happy to do so. You don't know the full story as you were not there.
Again, you want to take the moral high ground ("worst ever on video") on the one hand then look no further than yesterday when you do so. Daniher/Brown- Banks/Rhys-Jones - Edmond/Morris. Plenty of them out there to choose from.
We all have things in our past. No better, no worse than anybody else either. Mace was (imo) outta line with his post. I posted trying to say I dont hold any (and neither does Picoanes mum for gods sake) malice against Sinclair.
However I did take the bait and will defend someone I saw show great courage, do some low acts and wasn't what was claimed he was. I'd expect the same from North supporters defending their own as well. Just like you and others have in this thread.
Yep, just like your resonse prior on 4 things in 17 years. Isolate them all and then take them over the context of the period played, what he recieved during that period, penalities served etc. Matthews got what was coming to him then too. Only that didn't get mentioned. Your turn at the dogs bowl.[/QUOTE]
Yep.
Not the "he did it first" rather the "you only say the replay, did you see the actual game" defence. What he did was wrong and it wasn't cowardly (imo) given the nature and state of the game that day at that precise moment and the over-all (and I've never seen a worse game for its like) shameful acts that many on the field did that day. No more so than what Sinclair did, it was a spur of the moment, ill advised and poor thing to do. What it wasn't was cowardly. If he were a coward he would have run after it (the incident) instead of, in his words "waiting for them (i.e S.Hocking) to come".
Change Jess to Leigh, change Lance to Bruns and I could have written this in 1985.
If you want to sit down and really discuss that game in full detail, I'm happy to do so. You don't know the full story as you were not there.
Again, you want to take the moral high ground ("worst ever on video") on the one hand then look no further than yesterday when you do so. Daniher/Brown- Banks/Rhys-Jones - Edmond/Morris. Plenty of them out there to choose from.
We all have things in our past. No better, no worse than anybody else either. Mace was (imo) outta line with his post. I posted trying to say I dont hold any (and neither does Picoanes mum for gods sake) malice against Sinclair.
However I did take the bait and will defend someone I saw show great courage, do some low acts and wasn't what was claimed he was. I'd expect the same from North supporters defending their own as well. Just like you and others have in this thread.
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Me included.
Me included.
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I'm no defending Jess at all. What he did was wrong and out of character for him. He will pay the price for sure.
But a Hawk fan suggested he would be disgusted if a Hawk player was still on their list after such an incident. We are just pointing out Matthews MANY such incidents over his 17 year career - can't remember Hawthorn throwing him off the list for those.....
I'm no defending Jess at all. What he did was wrong and out of character for him. He will pay the price for sure.
But a Hawk fan suggested he would be disgusted if a Hawk player was still on their list after such an incident. We are just pointing out Matthews MANY such incidents over his 17 year career - can't remember Hawthorn throwing him off the list for those.....
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Briedis mate, I AGREE!
Im as shocked as any by what happened. Wont hold a grudge and wont condem the bloke either. Same token I gotta stick up for 'mine' though. I'm sure you understand.
Sorry if I 'bit' to hard. Owe you (and Groucho.. and Chris to come to think of it.. and Shinners.. Darky can sod off though) a beer.
Cheers.
Briedis mate, I AGREE!
Im as shocked as any by what happened. Wont hold a grudge and wont condem the bloke either. Same token I gotta stick up for 'mine' though. I'm sure you understand.
Sorry if I 'bit' to hard. Owe you (and Groucho.. and Chris to come to think of it.. and Shinners.. Darky can sod off though) a beer.
Cheers.
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So stop arguing someones elses dumb point!!!
Never say no to beer!
Originally posted by Grendel
Briedis mate, I AGREE!
Im as shocked as any by what happened. Wont hold a grudge and wont condem the bloke either. Same token I gotta stick up for 'mine' though. I'm sure you understand.
Sorry if I 'bit' to hard. Owe you (and Groucho.. and Chris to come to think of it.. and Shinners.. Darky can sod off though) a beer.
Cheers.
So stop arguing someones elses dumb point!!!
Never say no to beer!
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Mate, if we did that there'd be no point to following the game!
I knew their was good inya.
Cheers.
Originally posted by Briedis
So stop arguing someones elses dumb point!!!
Mate, if we did that there'd be no point to following the game!
I knew their was good inya.
Cheers.
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It's ironic you mentioned Barry Cable and police records in the same post...I think what he did is a million times worse than anything Lethal did during his career.
So you are saying Matthews should have a criminal record? If every player was charged with assault when there was an incident like the Matthews-Bruns one there would be at least 500 VFL footballers with a criminal record. Indeed, Steven Hocking broke Leigh Matthews nose just 5 seconds after that incident - should he have been charged as well? Mark Jackson was reported 8 times that day, yet people regard him as a "character".
Jimmy Krakouer did a few things North supporters would probably be ashamed of if you remember? The way some of you are talking you make it sound like Hawthorn were the only team to have players breaking the rules in the 1980's.
Onto the incident at hand, Sinclair has shown remorse, and will cop his right whack. Full credit to the stadium for not replaying it - things could have gotten REALLY ugly. I had access to a replay of the incident and was pretty livid, so I'm glad the players and the rest of the crowd didn't.
But it's pretty out of character for Jess. Although he cops it as a pretty boy in reality he is a bloody tough and brave footballer. No doubt he will feel awful about this, but he has ended a player's season and put him in hospital, so must go.
Full credit to Picioane's mum to for not carrying on like some parents (David Cloke).
I was more disappointed with Stevens to tell you the truth. Have a lot of respect for the little bloke, but his antics on Saturday night were very poor - especially the way he walked off at the end.
It's ironic you mentioned Barry Cable and police records in the same post...I think what he did is a million times worse than anything Lethal did during his career.
So you are saying Matthews should have a criminal record? If every player was charged with assault when there was an incident like the Matthews-Bruns one there would be at least 500 VFL footballers with a criminal record. Indeed, Steven Hocking broke Leigh Matthews nose just 5 seconds after that incident - should he have been charged as well? Mark Jackson was reported 8 times that day, yet people regard him as a "character".
Jimmy Krakouer did a few things North supporters would probably be ashamed of if you remember? The way some of you are talking you make it sound like Hawthorn were the only team to have players breaking the rules in the 1980's.
Onto the incident at hand, Sinclair has shown remorse, and will cop his right whack. Full credit to the stadium for not replaying it - things could have gotten REALLY ugly. I had access to a replay of the incident and was pretty livid, so I'm glad the players and the rest of the crowd didn't.
But it's pretty out of character for Jess. Although he cops it as a pretty boy in reality he is a bloody tough and brave footballer. No doubt he will feel awful about this, but he has ended a player's season and put him in hospital, so must go.
Full credit to Picioane's mum to for not carrying on like some parents (David Cloke).
I was more disappointed with Stevens to tell you the truth. Have a lot of respect for the little bloke, but his antics on Saturday night were very poor - especially the way he walked off at the end.
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Fair enough G! I'll leave it there. Interestingly this conversation about Matthews went the way of all conversations about Matthews that I've had with Hawk supporters for over 15 years. Some things never change!
Originally posted by Grendel
Briedis mate, I AGREE!
Im as shocked as any by what happened. Wont hold a grudge and wont condem the bloke either. Same token I gotta stick up for 'mine' though. I'm sure you understand.
Sorry if I 'bit' to hard. Owe you (and Groucho.. and Chris to come to think of it.. and Shinners.. Darky can sod off though) a beer.
Cheers.
Fair enough G! I'll leave it there. Interestingly this conversation about Matthews went the way of all conversations about Matthews that I've had with Hawk supporters for over 15 years. Some things never change!
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People who live in glass houses...
...shouldn't throw stones.
Am I alone in thinking that some Hawthorn people (read Peter Schwab and Peter Everitt) are taking a 'holier than thou' stance on this incident? First we had Peter Schwab saying-
'If one of my players had done something similar, I'd be filthy on it.'
Then Mrs Picioane makes this quote-
'Lance was suspended a couple of weeks ago for two weeks for a similar incident that didn't cause an injury.'
Was Peter Schwab 'filthy' with Lance Picioane for his recent indiscretion? One can only hope that he practises what he preaches. Whether an injury was caused or not doesn't change the matter - in my opinion, the fact that there was no injury in this case is probably more by good luck than good management.
Then Peter Everitt (of all people) comes out and says he was also 'disgusted'. Who is he to pass judgement on other players? He's got such a clean record hasn't he???
Yes, we all agree that Jess did the wrong thing and will get what he deserves tomorrow night at the tribunal. We know that Jess is sorry for what he did and he will plead guilty and accept his punishment. I just have the feeling that Schwab and Everitt have very short memories when it comes to their own backyard.
...shouldn't throw stones.
Am I alone in thinking that some Hawthorn people (read Peter Schwab and Peter Everitt) are taking a 'holier than thou' stance on this incident? First we had Peter Schwab saying-
'If one of my players had done something similar, I'd be filthy on it.'
Then Mrs Picioane makes this quote-
'Lance was suspended a couple of weeks ago for two weeks for a similar incident that didn't cause an injury.'
Was Peter Schwab 'filthy' with Lance Picioane for his recent indiscretion? One can only hope that he practises what he preaches. Whether an injury was caused or not doesn't change the matter - in my opinion, the fact that there was no injury in this case is probably more by good luck than good management.
Then Peter Everitt (of all people) comes out and says he was also 'disgusted'. Who is he to pass judgement on other players? He's got such a clean record hasn't he???
Yes, we all agree that Jess did the wrong thing and will get what he deserves tomorrow night at the tribunal. We know that Jess is sorry for what he did and he will plead guilty and accept his punishment. I just have the feeling that Schwab and Everitt have very short memories when it comes to their own backyard.
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90% of players would have done what he done, if u actualy have a look at it rather then get up and spray abuse at him it looks more self defence then anything
tell me u wouldnt do it, your running after a player then mr lance who just happeneds to be no innocent cookie himself comes running at u directly front on, are u gonna just keep running and let him knock u out? or defend yourself and stick your arm out to stop him? i think i'd rather put the arm out to try and stop him and protect myself then get cleaned up
Jess is a clean fair player, picone run at him so u cant say it was jess having ago at him
God people who dont even look at the situation they just look at the resualt **** me.
tell me u wouldnt do it, your running after a player then mr lance who just happeneds to be no innocent cookie himself comes running at u directly front on, are u gonna just keep running and let him knock u out? or defend yourself and stick your arm out to stop him? i think i'd rather put the arm out to try and stop him and protect myself then get cleaned up
Jess is a clean fair player, picone run at him so u cant say it was jess having ago at him
God people who dont even look at the situation they just look at the resualt **** me.
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Memo: Hawthorn Posters.
Refresh my memory, but didn't Schwab miss a GF after being suspended for striking?
Refresh my memory, but didn't Schwab miss a GF after being suspended for striking?
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you all have it very wrong
lance picioane should have been charged for headbutting poor
sinclair elbow a low a terrible act!!!!!!!!
5-6 weeks picioane.
lance picioane should have been charged for headbutting poor
sinclair elbow a low a terrible act!!!!!!!!
5-6 weeks picioane.
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Someone raised this on the main board, and the answer was yes, 1989. Of course that would have been a nice strike, not a low, nasty one.
And as for Walls... a man who with clear forethought decided having the team repeatedly punch a player in training was a reasonable coaching ploy...
If Lance can move on, not to mention his mum, I think everyone else can settle down too.
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Hanging a bloke before he gets a trial ..... nice one.
Hanging a bloke before he gets a trial ..... nice one.
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