Independent report into Hobart's proposed new stadium has found the costs of the project have been significantly underestimated

[My_Username]

It's insanity. In 20 years time, they will regret not building the stadium.

In far less than 20 years time they'll all have their stories straight about how it wasn't their fault is all fell over, and lots of fingers will be pointed by those with a barrow to push.

Personally, I like how one of the reasons (excuses) for the no confidence motion was the rising state debt....from a party who supposedly supports borrowing/spending the best part of a Billion dollars (Tas state government share) on a stadium that is unlikely to provide a substantial (financial) return on the investment.

 

[The King!]

embarrassing day for the state

 

[The Tilt]

The AFL doesn't want a Tassie team. If they did, they wouldn't have given them almost impossible conditions. Bet Dillion is laughing at AFL house seeing these news. Once this falls through, they should put a team in Canberra instead (strike a deal with the goverment like NRL did for PNG) and make a 20th team for North Queensland or WA3

There are silly comments in this thread. The worst ones are those claiming that the AFL went through a 4-year process, supported the development of a business case for a Tasmanian club, successfully lobbied the Federal Govt for $250m on Tasmania's behalf for the stadium build, and persuaded the existing 18 clubs to support the bid, all as part of a cunning plan to not have an AFL club in Tasmania.

I mean, can you not see how absurd that is?

 

[LOLchie Schultz]

****ing politicians!

 

[jwikked]

Whoever thought the afl trying to force the government to agree to a build contract at a price that is literally impossible (any decent engineer would tell you this) would cause any issues? Who would have thought the afl would want to avoid problems? Oh wait...

Tasmania submitted their bid to the AFL, AFL accepted it.

Tasmania said they would build that stadium, if the AFL give them a license.


You can't change your bid once you win the auction.

 

[Rotayjay]

Who precisely is going to die if the Devils enter the AFL but the world's most difficult stadium doesn't get built and they need to play at Bellerive?

 

[Erakor]

Who precisely is going to die if the Devils enter the AFL but the world's most difficult stadium doesn't get built and they need to play at Bellerive?

Contractors, unions, developers and any other third party who gain to financially benefit from one billion plus in government money.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Who precisely is going to die if the Devils enter the AFL but the world's most difficult stadium doesn't get built and they need to play at Bellerive?

I'd give it a full season before the locals of Bellerive turn the whinging up to 11 about the parking, traffic, late finishes, rowdy crowds and general noise. There's covenants on the use about when they can turn lights on, how loud things can be, how many major traffic events they can have etc. It might do for a few years but it's not a long term venue for regular crowds over 15,000.

 

[Gak Attack]

The investment property boomers, many who have moved down here that are so vocally opposed drive me mad. Complaining about how the money should be spent on health, when we already struggle to get professionals down here, I'm sure being anti anything that benefits people under 60 will really help keep the youth in the state and encourage people to move here. Then I've met many who say money would be better spent on housing, while owning more than one.

Just sad older idiots and career grub politicians will ruin this opportunity for younger and future generations.

 

[Footy Smarts]

I'd give it a full season before the locals of Bellerive turn the whinging up to 11 about the parking, traffic, late finishes, rowdy crowds and general noise. There's covenants on the use about when they can turn lights on, how loud things can be, how many major traffic events they can have etc. It might do for a few years but it's not a long term venue for regular crowds over 15,000.

$1B feels like a lot to spend to avoid some traffic 5 times a year.

 

[pie chucker]

Why do they insist that it needs a roof. Apart from Marvel, which nobody really likes, every ground is open. I prefer going to the footy without the roof. The MCG holds everything from cricket, footy, Comm games, concerts without a roof.

NFL plays in open aired stadiums to some shocking conditions.

Not having the roof saves substantial money, and seems a logical decision to me.

 

[marcus1232]

Why do they insist that it needs a roof. Apart from Marvel, which nobody really likes, every ground is open. I prefer going to the footy without the roof. The MCG holds everything from cricket, footy, Comm games, concerts without a roof.

NFL plays in open aired stadiums to some shocking conditions.

Not having the roof saves substantial money, and seems a logical decision to me.

I must be in the minority who like Marvel.
Dont have to worry about the weather.
Short walk from the trains
Short walk from Crown.

I think the added benefits of a roof outweigh a non roof long term.
Now that thatched design is a bit stupid

 

[HirdsTheWord]

GWS is a vanity project by the afl that was never going to work and Gold Coast should of been the Southport sharks atleast tassie is footy heartland and I’d back them to have better support then the above

you have spelt out the issue.....well at least the business issue.

The AFL introduced GWS and GC to take market share off NRL. They invested money to than get a return back.

They don't need to invest to get Tasmania to follow the AFL, they already do.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

There are silly comments in this thread. The worst ones are those claiming that the AFL went through a 4-year process, supported the development of a business case for a Tasmanian club, successfully lobbied the Federal Govt for $250m on Tasmania's behalf for the stadium build, and persuaded the existing 18 clubs to support the bid, all as part of a cunning plan to not have an AFL club in Tasmania.

I mean, can you not see how absurd that is?

The amount of people who don't want to take the AFL at its word that it wanted a business case, got a business case, found the business case supported the team, and championed the implementation of the business case, and now that the business case is failing is saying that sadly has to result in there not being a team is kind of ridiculous.

There's no doublespeak or deception or conflicting motives here. The documents are public, the statements are public, and they all line up to a consistent and timeline based logical messaging.

The AFL is happy to have a Tasmanian AFL team provided it plays on a new stadium and that the Tassie Government also funds the team on a year to year basis. They do not want a team if that is not the case. Not that hard.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Why do they insist that it needs a roof. Apart from Marvel, which nobody really likes, every ground is open. I prefer going to the footy without the roof. The MCG holds everything from cricket, footy, Comm games, concerts without a roof.

NFL plays in open aired stadiums to some shocking conditions.

Not having the roof saves substantial money, and seems a logical decision to me.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Maybe the stadium won't have enough use outside of 8 AFL games a year to be worthwhile to spend that much money on it. Fair enough. You lose a team but that's a fair enough view to have.

The issue is that those people promoting that view aren't offering an alternative way in which 200+ million of federal funding in the state can stimulate a reason for tourism, economic growth and development, and cultural pride that the stadium and AFL team will provide. At least the AFL and pro stadium people are positively promoting that view. The onus on the anti stadium people is to equally provide a path to some other worthwhile federal investment that will achieve the same things, other than "we'll vaguely build things at Mac Point that is not a stadium".

 

[TheEscapeClub]

An aspect I cannot find the answer to is who is going to build the stadium. It is a small population. Are there enough construction workers?

Or are they going to relocate people from interstate or overseas?

Or is the whole thing going to take a long time because there aren'e enough skilled builders and labourers?

If you pay them, they will come.

If you build it they will come.

Tom Elliot has had a bloke on 3AW recently, who is meant to be an expert on these things, who says that heated seats will work and be a bazillion dollars cheap than putting a roof over it.

 

[Sttew]

If you pay them, they will come.

If you build it they will come.

Tom Elliot has had a bloke on 3AW recently, who is meant to be an expert on these things, who says that heated seats will work and be a bazillion dollars cheap than putting a roof over it.

Not sure about the viability of heated seats, but you can still have the majority of the seating covered with no roof over the actual playing field. If the rain comes in on an angle then spectators will get wet on one side

 

[Papa G]

Its a corrupt, boring, shitshow of a competition, Tassie, you are better off without it.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

$1B feels like a lot to spend to avoid some traffic 5 times a year.

I take it you haven’t been to Blundstone to many times than absolute terrible location cold windy takes forever ever to get in and out of it would be like building a Tasmanian version of Waverley park.

 

[HairyO]

Maybe Tasmania should invest in growing pickle ball instead …. Would cost a lot less

Given the AFL and Fed Govt have capped their financial support and Tasmanians are 100% liable for all cost blowouts - and there will be huge cost blowouts - because there are ALWAYS cost blowouts, this is actually a great idea.

If interested, people should take a look at the North Sydney Swimming Pool renovations. Its a hole in the ground, a couple of changing rooms and a couple of stands. Being renovated. Not replaced or torn down and rebuilt from scratch. Renovated. Look up the cost blowouts and time blowouts.

Building a stadium of a kind never built before screams disaster. Taswegians should run for the hills. You will be paying for it for 100 years.

 

[HairyO]

Contractors, unions, developers and any other third party who gain to financially benefit from one billion plus in government money.

Whatever the most extreme budget estimate is, add 50% to find the actual conservative cost. Double it for the realistic cost.

 

[All Aust]

Well one would assume the State Govt. Costs is about to shunted even further by the political idiots who voted No confidence. A new election = delays in all works, admin funding delays due position changes / reshuffles etc.

The mug voter can read the (labor) leader of opposition is "Dutton lite". He has NFI how to run anything other than his mouth. The vote of No Confidence is a political suicide for his party. Currently, They cannot form a govt without a green marriage. A marriage that has already previously ended in divorce and cannot work for ideological reasons in any area that is required to run a government.

The matter of a roof for a whole stadium is either absolute stupidity or a flat no from the AFL for a Tasmanian team in their comp.

A decent stadium looks after will provide a roof all spectators . Build or develop a 30k capacity stadium with that people can access (Transport Systems) within a day from their lodging. That is, 3.5 hr travel x 2 max plus 3 hr for the game.

A decent stadium looks after the players with state of the art playing surface (no roof) and modern training and match preparation facilities.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

you have spelt out the issue.....well at least the business issue.

The AFL introduced GWS and GC to take market share off NRL. They invested money to than get a return back.

They don't need to invest to get Tasmania to follow the AFL, they already do.

They pour millions of dollars into GWS and GCS they would get propped up the tune of 30-50 million pa. GWS is a failure you aren’t gonna pull western Sydney juniors away from rugby league with how strong the panthers junior pathways are. And they are light years away from being self sufficient.

GCS I actually like what they are doing off field junior numbers are up a truck load and they are producing qld prospects. You would hope that increases viewership numbers and increased crowds.

Obviously you have the tv deal with the extra games and add breaks. But I’m fully
Of the belief Tasmania would be self sufficient if given the keys to do so I don’t have that hope with gws or gcs

 

[dmc333]

Well one would assume the State Govt. Costs is about to shunted even further by the political idiots who voted No confidence. A new election = delays in all works, admin funding delays due position changes / reshuffles etc.

The mug voter can read the (labor) leader of opposition is "Dutton lite". He has NFI how to run anything other than his mouth. The vote of No Confidence is a political suicide for his party. Currently, They cannot form a govt without a green marriage. A marriage that has already previously ended in divorce and cannot work for ideological reasons in any area that is required to run a government.

The matter of a roof for a whole stadium is either absolute stupidity or a flat no from the AFL for a Tasmanian team in their comp.

A decent stadium looks after will provide a roof all spectators . Build or develop a 30k capacity stadium with that people can access (Transport Systems) within a day from their lodging. That is, 3.5 hr travel x 2 max plus 3 hr for the game.

A decent stadium looks after the players with state of the art playing surface (no roof) and modern training and match preparation facilities.

The no confidence motion was in Rockliff, not the Liberal party. They're choosing the election.

Any of the other Liberals could have taken over as leader and this would have ended yesterday.