Indigenous Round Jumper.

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http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2014-05-22/collingwood-launches-indigenous-guernsey

 

[Wooljay]

I like alternate jumpers, and as a Collingwood supporter you don't get much variety beyond black with white stripes or white with black stripes, so I enjoy stuff like this

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I hope it's just for the VFL team personally. Nothing against the cause, but I would prefer no changes be made to our jumper for any reason throughout the season.

 

[MightyPies1]

We used to be the multicultural/indigenous team a few years ago, but out indigenous players have been leaving us in droves the past few years.

LOL at our representation, Yagmoor and Armstrong, possibly the two biggest hacks that have been on out list in years.

Three years ago, standing proudly would have been Davis and Krakouer, two great indigenous players.

 

[Temploar]

I hope it's just for the VFL team personally. Nothing against the cause, but I would prefer no changes be made to our jumper for any reason throughout the season.

It's not, it's for the AFL team (note the CGU logo)

 

[jmac70]

I hope it's just for the VFL team personally. Nothing against the cause, but I would prefer no changes be made to our jumper for any reason throughout the season.

It's not a cause TRS. It is reconciliation week and given what happened last year I hope the AFL team wear the jumper.

 

[blaze036]

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2014-05-22/collingwood-launches-indigenous-guernsey

I personally don't like the look, the big circle in the middle of our jumper looks odd

Would be good if the VFL team wear it though, no disrespect to them, but I prefer us to keep the same top regardless of what round it is

 

[MooreTreloar]

It's not, it's for the AFL team (note the CGU logo)

Or the AFL logo (not the VFL).

 

[The Royal Sampler]

It's not a cause TRS. It is reconciliation week and given what happened last year I hope the AFL team wear the jumper.

Promoting the contribution of indigenous Australians to the AFL and the game as we know it is a cause. It is done with the purpose of increasing awareness and fostering understanding. I'm not suggesting it is charitable, if that's what you're inferring.

 

[Optimax]

It's not a cause TRS. It is reconciliation week and given what happened last year I hope the AFL team wear the jumper.

A 14yo says something she didn't understand would have the effect or meaning it would have and has,
A grown man publicly shames said 14yo, resulting in disgusting comments from other grown adults and media sources that should know better......and can't use teenage immaturity as an excuse,
Because of this a club (that has an awesome indigenous program and has worked extremely hard, and done a massive and wonderful job on moving on from a dark past.) is now once again labelled a pack of feral racists, regardless of any nonsensical bias attached to that call.


Excuse me if I don't see the need to wear an "indigenous" guernsey to make up for anything that occurred last year. We should wear our normal black and white stripes as we would any other week, if the AFL want to celebrate another themed round great, but I feel no reason to support a collingwood "Mea Culpa" on this, no matter how many bleeding hearts and assorted hypocrites would like us too.

 

[Dynamics]

If nothing else it looks ordinary. Like they ironed a TAFE design contest winner on top of the existing jumper.

In terms of wearing the jumper in the AFL... I can't get too excited either way.

As for our indigenous players, we've had plenty and they've left for different reasons. It's not because we don't draft them or look after them.

 

[jmac70]

Promoting the contribution of indigenous Australians to the AFL and the game as we know it is a cause. It is done with the purpose of increasing awareness and fostering understanding. I'm not suggesting it is charitable, if that's what you're inferring.

So I guess you agree with me. Given it is about the AFL it makes sense that the seniors wear the jumper.

 

[Optimax]

Also why do we need an Indigenous round? It's not like it's the only round they can play, or I can marvel at the skills of Lance Franklin and reminisce the exploits of Leon Davis.

It's like black history month in the United States, it's just ****en history.....there's no such thing as white history or asian history or black history, just like there's no such thing as Anglo Celtic round, or Western European round and making a separate "celebration round*" doesn't help or change anything.

*let's piss on collingwood, or crack the shits at essendon cause they would only boo Goodes because he's aboriginal, wonder if anyone said they only boo Stanton because he's Anglo?.....round. What a ****en wank

 

[blaze036]

So I guess you agree with me. Given it is about the AFL it makes sense that the seniors wear the jumper.

Do you think we should also have a special jumper for women's round?

 

[jmac70]

Do you think we should also have a special jumper for women's round?

No. I think the one off game works best and I am happy to see Melbourne given that opportunity.

 

[Optimax]

No. I think the one off game works best and I am happy to see Melbourne given that opportunity.

So you think that breast cancer awareness isn't a worth enough cause?

Why not?

What about multicultural round? Or can we only celebrate one race?

 

[jmac70]

So you think that breast cancer awareness isn't a worth enough cause?

Why not?

What about multicultural round? Or can we only celebrate one race?

I'm not sure what you are getting at Opti. As you know I feel strongly about Indigenous matters and I am happy to see that the club wear a special jumper. My mother has had both her breasts removed and has recovered from four separate bouts of cancer. You could say that I also have strong feelings about breast cancer awareness but I think the one off game with the pink lady is the best way to recognise it.

 

[Optimax]

I'm not sure what you are getting at Opti. As you know I feel strongly about Indigenous matters and I am happy to see that the club wear a special jumper. My mother has had both her breasts removed and has recovered from four separate bouts of cancer. You could say that I also have strong feelings about breast cancer awareness but I think the one off game with the pink lady is the best way to recognise it.

I'm saying that no issue is bigger than the other.

Actually what I'm saying is that I don't like that indigenous round is a separate round, as far as I'm concerned it doesn't need to be separate from any other round.....and it actually does the opposite to what they hope to achieve. It makes being an indigenous footballer a point of difference, and without trying means we can only celebrate indigenous players one week a year.

As I posted in the last post, black history month is bullshit because it's just history....there is no such thing as white or black or yellow or red or green history. Much the same as you can celebrate the ability of any coloured footballer any week you like, and having an indigenous round means by name alone that for one week a year we only celebrate indigenous.....which is so wrong, so very wrong and does nothing to help end racism or extend any cause.

 

[Cory]

I actually like it. Bit agree with others that we should just keep our jumper the same, seems like others are only having one so they can sell and make profit off of them.

 

[jefffff34]

It's compulsory for every club. We have the black and white stripes. We shouldn't complain. It's a 5.5/10.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Also why do we need an Indigenous round? It's not like it's the only round they can play, or I can marvel at the skills of Lance Franklin and reminisce the exploits of Leon Davis.

It's like black history month in the United States, it's just ****en history.....there's no such thing as white history or asian history or black history, just like there's no such thing as Anglo Celtic round, or Western European round and making a separate "celebration round*" doesn't help or change anything.

*let's piss on collingwood, or crack the shits at essendon cause they would only boo Goodes because he's aboriginal, wonder if anyone said they only boo Stanton because he's Anglo?.....round. What a ****en wank

I respect you Optimax . I respect everyone on here, all posters.

Of course I don't know youse well, if at all.

But when you post ... I read.

And whether I 'Like' Or agree Or disagree Or argue Or even if I don't directly respond but I will be affected in some way ...

... they're all signs of respect.

So what's a sign of disrespect? What does that look like? Ignoring ... Ignorance.

There is so much good work that is still to be done toward greater respect of our indigenous people and culture.

Have a look at the relationship our Kiwi cousins have with their indigenous people and culture. Doesn't matter whether they're Maori or not - they'll know some Maori language, they may wear Maori jewellery, they know about Maori customs and culture and symbols, the guys will know how to do the Haka, and the girls will know it's something they shouldn't do.

Australia has come a long way towards respect of its indigenous culture but we've still got a long way to go.

Why bother? Why does it matter? It matters because everybody will be better for it - indigenous and non-indigenous Australians alike.

This is not a Collingwood issue or an AFL issue.

It's an Australian issue.

Collingwood and the AFL are Australian communities.

And through the simple gesture of wearing a special jumper for a round of footy the communities of the AFL and Collingwood just want to acknowledge indigenous heritage and show ...

Respect.

 

[Rustin Cohle]

Looks awful. All they had to do was make a nice pattern on the stripes and it would have looked pretty nice.

 

[Optimax]

Same should be said for male and female equality, LGBTI rights, depression suffers, homelessness
These are all issues that are as big, and as important as the indigenous issue. Solving any of them would make as big an impact.....we don't have a themed round for them or themed jumpers or even a themed logo.

In saying all that you missed the point of the post, just like the majority of African Americans dislike black history month ("because it's just ****en history, it has no colour") I think you will find a number of indigenous will dislike their individual round. Why? Because it means by virtue of it's existence that celebrating anybody but the indigenous during that round is wrong (making a segregation to all other nationalities and kins) and also means that for 22 other rounds we don't celebrate indigenous because it isn't indigenous round (another segregation) and that's also wrong.

We don't need indigenous round, we need indigenous and Anglo and Western European and Eastern European and Asian and every other culture mixed through every round of the season. What we have now with one round for this nationality/creed/kin and 22 for the other is a racist response to fixing a racist issue.

I'll argue this until the cows come home, and I dint care how politically incorrect others will find it, but it's my thoughts and feelings. God help anyone that attempts to say its because I'm racist though.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Looks awful.

Art is a communication medium.

Aboriginal art is very diverse and not well understood by general society.

The particular design on the jumper, the Barrawarn logo has one aspect of it described on the CFC website ...

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2014-05-22/collingwood-launches-indigenous-guernsey

The Barrawarn Program is all about helping young Indigenous people break through barriers and building communities, a theme I tried to symbolise through the pair of hands reaching out, which is central to the logo.

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2014-05-22/collingwood-launches-indigenous-guernsey

There are a lot of other aspects to the design - are these just pretty pictures or do the mean something?

All they had to do was make a nice pattern on the stripes and it would have looked pretty nice.

If the rest of the logo has meaning then they should have explained it.

If it doesn't have meaning, why didn't they create something that did have meaning?

 

[Seedsfan]

I don't like it just a stupid and tokenistic, we should wear our black and white stripes each and every week to celebrate every man or woman of any race that has given something to our great club