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Despite winning a flag and featuring 148 times for North as a player and coach, Dean’s 52 games with West Coast are enough to see him labeled as ‘former West Coast Eagle’ when the negative press comes out.

The media is incredible.
No joke on the Port board they're complainingthat they wrote "former port adelaide assistant coach"

Must be clickbait reasons

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With all the debate on the fixture. In 2021 should we request to have back to back games in Vic or Qld so it’s less miles in the air. That way we can get them back to back at home as well. What’s the reports from the clubs that use to play back to back interstate games?
 
With all the debate on the fixture. In 2021 should we request to have back to back games in Vic or Qld so it’s less miles in the air. That way we can get them back to back at home as well. What’s the reports from the clubs that use to play back to back interstate games?

I know the constant travel is draining, but I'm not sure this is the solution. I think the club and players have a pretty good travel system worked out to manage it as best they can. I wouldn't want to mess with that.

I think the #1 thing I would ask for is no 6-day breaks on returning from an interstate game (i.e. if we play in Melbourne on a Saturday then we don't get a Friday night home game). Additionally if we have to travel away for a 6-day break (naturally we will have to, because we would have none at home) then the opposing team should also be scheduled off a 6-day break wherever possible.

To me the immediate after-game recovery is the biggest difficulty the players face - I'm no medico or physio but would guess getting on a plane 2-3 hours after a game compared to at-home recovery (or at the club in ice baths etc) would have to have at least some sort of effect. An extra day's recovery would help no doubt (happy for this policy to be league-wide so that even Richmond get 7-day breaks off their travel... shouldn't be too hard to work that out for their schedule...)
 
I know the constant travel is draining, but I'm not sure this is the solution. I think the club and players have a pretty good travel system worked out to manage it as best they can. I wouldn't want to mess with that.

I think the #1 thing I would ask for is no 6-day breaks on returning from an interstate game (i.e. if we play in Melbourne on a Saturday then we don't get a Friday night home game). Additionally if we have to travel away for a 6-day break (naturally we will have to, because we would have none at home) then the opposing team should also be scheduled off a 6-day break wherever possible.

To me the immediate after-game recovery is the biggest difficulty the players face - I'm no medico or physio but would guess getting on a plane 2-3 hours after a game compared to at-home recovery (or at the club in ice baths etc) would have to have at least some sort of effect. An extra day's recovery would help no doubt (happy for this policy to be league-wide so that even Richmond get 7-day breaks off their travel... shouldn't be too hard to work that out for their schedule...)

I was hoping that if Virgin did go belly-up we might finally get our own plane, properly kitted out like the NBA.
 
Geelong reaching out to their members. They were heavily reliant on members and hospitality. Whispers that they are in a bit of strife:

GEELONG has warned its financial sustainability “is in jeopardy” as it starts to test member sentiment about the desire for refunds.
The Cats have emailed members a survey seeking feedback on a range of issues in preparation for the prospect of playing a season without crowds.

In it, the club also bluntly declared “the future of the club we all hold so dear is in danger” without traditional income wiped by the COVID-19 crisis.

Geelong last season took home nearly $20 million from membership and gate takings, effectively a third of its entire 2019 season income.

The club’s total revenue from membership, seating and gate receipts was $19,745,000 – its single biggest income-maker according to its 2019 financial records.

The Cats were tracking towards easily surpassing that figure this year, and a rush of members asking for a refund could further decimate a club that is suffering from other financial hardship.

Its food and beverage arm was also hoping to exceed its 2019 mark of $10.38 million, a benchmark now ravaged by coronavirus.

Geelong is desperate for as much membership money already pledged to remain with the club to save it from deeper financial pain.

In the online questionnaire, the Cats asked members how strongly they felt about full or partial refunds, as well as potential trade-offs such as future credits, Cats Shop vouchers and training access.

“Our members are the lifeblood of our club,” the Cats said.

“For over 160 years, our members have been a central point for our decision making.

“Our members have stood with us through the challenging times and the times of celebration.

“We look forward to that continuing on for many more years to come.

“Whilst we dreamt of a packed GMHBA Stadium at the start of the year, we understand now for the safety of the community that this may not be the reality.

“What this means is the financial sustainability of the club is in jeopardy.

“Memberships, hospitality and daily tickets sales make up a significant portion of our revenue.

“Without these revenues or those from our similarly affected alternate revenue streams, the future of the club we all hold so dear is in danger.

“We’re not the only people going through a tough time at the moment. We appreciate those risking their lives to provide the support and care to our community at this time, but also empathise with many whose financial situation has changed dramatically.”

Issues such as freezing membership prices for 2020, turning this year’s membership fee into a donation and whether there was value in the member pack were part of the wide range of questions.

The Cats also got a temperature check on members’ feelings towards the current AFL situation and their motivational factors for signing up.

The club says the survey will help form the options for its membership base once more clarity is known about the AFL season.
 
Geelong reaching out to their members. They were heavily reliant on members and hospitality. Whispers that they are in a bit of strife:
From the sounds of the survey questions, I recieved a very similar survey from our club last week. I wouldn't be surprised if all clubs are sending out the same questions.
 
From the sounds of the survey questions, I recieved a very similar survey from our club last week. I wouldn't be surprised if all clubs are sending out the same questions.

Richmond sent one out as well.

However, Richmond and West Coast are in different financial positions to Geelong.

There is some concerns about Geelong's viability. All clubs are in a spot with COVID but Geelong in particular was heavily reliant on hospitality given they play in a stadium with 35K capacity. It's hard to imagine given the success they have had in the last 15 years, but Geelong basically exist on the breadline,

Eg: At the end of 2018 Brian Cook stated that if Geelong missed finals 2 years in a row they would find themselves in a financial pickle i.e. can't afford to bottom out.
 

Its good to see more players from other interstate teams coming out and calling out the AFL for its unfair fixtures for interstate teams.

"The biggest thing that's been talked about is the games the Victorian clubs have at home at the MCG, the big run they have. Obviously Richmond had a really good run leading up to their finals campaign not long ago," he said.

"The amount of travel interstate clubs have becomes pretty taxing, and I think that needs to be looked at a little bit more."

Reigning premiers Richmond played seven straight games at its home ground the MCG in the lead-up to last year's finals series.

"To have clubs in Melbourne spending seven weeks in a row at the MCG is probably…the biggest outlier here and that's what needs to change," Boak said.

"If it stays the same and we're [travelling] week on, week off, I get that, but as long as there's clubs in Melbourne that aren't seven weeks at home."
 

Its good to see more players from other interstate teams coming out and calling out the AFL for its unfair fixtures for interstate teams.

"The biggest thing that's been talked about is the games the Victorian clubs have at home at the MCG, the big run they have. Obviously Richmond had a really good run leading up to their finals campaign not long ago," he said.

"The amount of travel interstate clubs have becomes pretty taxing, and I think that needs to be looked at a little bit more."

Reigning premiers Richmond played seven straight games at its home ground the MCG in the lead-up to last year's finals series.

"To have clubs in Melbourne spending seven weeks in a row at the MCG is probably…the biggest outlier here and that's what needs to change," Boak said.

"If it stays the same and we're [travelling] week on, week off, I get that, but as long as there's clubs in Melbourne that aren't seven weeks at home."

I like the fact that we are the torch bearers for Non-Victorian clubs, but gee it gets tough when we are constantly one out and have a lack of public support from other clubs and players.

It's been refreshing to see Kane Cornes fly the flag instead of it also being an ex eagle (like Malthouse or Jakovich).

I want West Coast to establish a "Coalition for the advancement of a national competition" caucus comprising of all the non-Victorian clubs to promote a united front on issues relating to equity and balance.
 

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Eg: At the end of 2018 Brian Cook stated that if Geelong missed finals 2 years in a row they would find themselves in a financial pickle i.e. can't afford to bottom out.

That's going to be very interesting than given they have one of the oldest sides in the league with a heap of their core players being 30+.

They were able to extend their premiership window after their glory years by having Dangerfield almost fall into their lap per se, but it's hard to see where they can get that same marquee player from again to prop them up.

Having this years draft severely compromised by COVID just when they have a raft of picks has come at the wrong time for them.
 
That's going to be very interesting than given they have one of the oldest sides in the league with a heap of their core players being 30+.

They were able to extend their premiership window after their glory years by having Dangerfield almost fall into their lap per se, but it's hard to see where they can get that same marquee player from again to prop them up.

Having this years draft severely compromised by COVID just when they have a raft of picks has come at the wrong time for them.
Sydney, Hawks and Geelong did well to stay in contention for a 10+year period, but Sydney finishing bottom 4 last year shows that it will catch up with them eventually.

I can see Cats out of finals by as early as next year. Hawks seem to have recruited enough top up players to stay in no mans land (either just in or out of the 8) for the foreseeable future. Don't see either winning a flag soon though.
 
Most of this article isn't particularly insightful - but one quote did make me take notice.


"However, West Coast and Fremantle face a possible disadvantage because of Western Australia’s tighter interstate travel controls, with concerns that players might have to spend 14 days in quarantine before resuming training with teammates."

I wonder if there will be a ruling that no teams can train until all players are out of quarantine - for fairness, like the 'groups of 10' rule... Oh wait, no quarantine here in Victoria, move along.... nothing to see here.
 
Most of this article isn't particularly insightful - but one quote did make me take notice.


"However, West Coast and Fremantle face a possible disadvantage because of Western Australia’s tighter interstate travel controls, with concerns that players might have to spend 14 days in quarantine before resuming training with teammates."

I wonder if there will be a ruling that no teams can train until all players are out of quarantine - for fairness, like the 'groups of 10' rule... Oh wait, no quarantine here in Victoria, move along.... nothing to see here.

I saw this.

AFL has set a precedent that all clubs move at the same pace.

This is where the Dockers and Port shoot themselves in the foot by being VFL outposts. They draft Victorian players and play Victorian football. West Coast and Adelaide primarily draft kids from their state.

For anyone concerned about our lads, I don't think many Eagles went home. I heard somewhere (maybe Eagles is isolation) that only 3-4 interstate guys went back . Most of our guys are older and are settled with families in Perth (like Boots). Very few who went back home are in our best 22.

Interstate players in Perth
Tom Cole (in Perth, training with Nelson)
Jackson Nelson (in Perth, training with Cole)
Liam Duggan (in Perth, training with NicNat)
Hamish Brayshaw (Angus confirmed he is still in Perth)
Shannon Hurn (likely in Perth)
Tom Hickey (in Perth)
Luke Shuey (in Perth)
Jarrod Brander (Confirmed in Perth by Instagram)


Interstate players who may have gone home and potentially need to quarantine
Jack Pettrucelle (unknown likely in Victoria)
Jack Redden (unknown likely stayed in Perth)
Xavier O'Neill (unknown)
Nathan Vardy (unknown/irrelevant)
Bailey Williams (confirmed in Victoria)
Andrew Gaff (unknown - likely in Victoria visiting family)
Jamaine Jones (likely in Victoria)
Mitch O'Neill (likely in Tas)
 
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I saw this.

AFL has set a precedent that all clubs move at the same pace.

This is where the Dockers and Port shoot themselves in the foot by being VFL outposts. They draft Victorian players and play Victorian football. West Coast and Adelaide primarily draft kids from their state.

For anyone concerned about our lads, I don't think many Eagles went home. I heard somewhere (maybe Eagles is isolation) that only 3-4 interstate guys went back . Most of our guys are older and are settled with families in Perth (like Boots). Very few who went back home are in our best 22.

Interstate players in Perth
Tom Cole (in Perth, training with Nelson)
Jackson Nelson (in Perth, training with Cole)
Liam Duggan (in Perth, training with NicNat)
Hamish Brayshaw (Angus confirmed he is still in Perth)
Shannon Hurn (likely in Perth)
Tom Hickey (in Perth)
Luke Shuey (in Perth)


Interstate players who may have gone home and potentially need to quarantine
Jack Pettrucelle (unknown likely in Victoria)
Jack Redden (unknown likely stayed in Perth)
Xavier O'Neill (unknown)
Nathan Vardy (unknown/irrelevant)
Bailey Williams (confirmed in Victoria)
Jarrod Brander (likely in Victoria)
Andrew Gaff (unknown - likely in Victoria visiting family)
Jamaine Jones (likely in Victoria)
Mitch O'Neill (likely in Tas)

Redden posted up something about being on a farm with a bushfire going so he might have gone home to see family
 

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That's going to be very interesting than given they have one of the oldest sides in the league with a heap of their core players being 30+.

They were able to extend their premiership window after their glory years by having Dangerfield almost fall into their lap per se, but it's hard to see where they can get that same marquee player from again to prop them up.

Having this years draft severely compromised by COVID just when they have a raft of picks has come at the wrong time for them.

Another article about Geelong in the age. Nothing new, but this paragraph caught my attention;

"Among Victorian clubs, Geelong and Essendon depend most on the sale of reserved seats at GMHBA stadium and Marvel stadium respectively. Last year, membership, seating and gate receipts brought in almost $20 million to the Cats, about a third of the club's annual revenue. Another $10 million came from food and beverage, income that also will be decimated this year."

 
I saw this.

AFL has set a precedent that all clubs move at the same pace.

This is where the Dockers and Port shoot themselves in the foot by being VFL outposts. They draft Victorian players and play Victorian football. West Coast and Adelaide primarily draft kids from their state.

For anyone concerned about our lads, I don't think many Eagles went home. I heard somewhere (maybe Eagles is isolation) that only 3-4 interstate guys went back . Most of our guys are older and are settled with families in Perth (like Boots). Very few who went back home are in our best 22.

Interstate players in Perth
Tom Cole (in Perth, training with Nelson)
Jackson Nelson (in Perth, training with Cole)
Liam Duggan (in Perth, training with NicNat)
Hamish Brayshaw (Angus confirmed he is still in Perth)
Shannon Hurn (likely in Perth)
Tom Hickey (in Perth)
Luke Shuey (in Perth)
Jarrod Brander (Confirmed in Perth by Instagram)


Interstate players who may have gone home and potentially need to quarantine
Jack Pettrucelle (unknown likely in Victoria)
Jack Redden (unknown likely stayed in Perth)
Xavier O'Neill (unknown)
Nathan Vardy (unknown/irrelevant)
Bailey Williams (confirmed in Victoria)
Andrew Gaff (unknown - likely in Victoria visiting family)
Jamaine Jones (likely in Victoria)
Mitch O'Neill (likely in Tas)
Gaff's in Perth. He was on ABC a couple of weeks ago and mentioned it.
 
Really interesting article.

At first it feels hard to stomach, but then the idea of a truck load of home games towards the end of the season could be a blessing in disguise. Who knows, by then we might even be able to have fans at the stadium and end up ahead of other clubs, financially.

"While there was hope within AFL headquarters late on Monday that South Australia's borders would soon open, the same confidence could not be found with Western Australia's situation.

WA health minister Roger Cooks said on Monday the state "will try to open businesses within the economy before we open any borders".

Under a hub model considered for the Eagles and the Dockers, the teams would play as many away games as possible in Victoria, with the hope that WA's restrictions would be eased later in the year and they could therefore finish with a bank of home games."


 
I saw this.

AFL has set a precedent that all clubs move at the same pace.

This is where the Dockers and Port shoot themselves in the foot by being VFL outposts. They draft Victorian players and play Victorian football. West Coast and Adelaide primarily draft kids from their state.

For anyone concerned about our lads, I don't think many Eagles went home. I heard somewhere (maybe Eagles is isolation) that only 3-4 interstate guys went back . Most of our guys are older and are settled with families in Perth (like Boots). Very few who went back home are in our best 22.

Interstate players in Perth
Tom Cole (in Perth, training with Nelson)
Jackson Nelson (in Perth, training with Cole)
Liam Duggan (in Perth, training with NicNat)
Hamish Brayshaw (Angus confirmed he is still in Perth)
Shannon Hurn (likely in Perth)
Tom Hickey (in Perth)
Luke Shuey (in Perth)
Jarrod Brander (Confirmed in Perth by Instagram)


Interstate players who may have gone home and potentially need to quarantine
Jack Pettrucelle (unknown likely in Victoria)
Jack Redden (unknown likely stayed in Perth)
Xavier O'Neill (unknown)
Nathan Vardy (unknown/irrelevant)
Bailey Williams (confirmed in Victoria)
Andrew Gaff (unknown - likely in Victoria visiting family)
Jamaine Jones (likely in Victoria)
Mitch O'Neill (likely in Tas)
I ran past Gaff 2 weeks ago when doing the bridges run in South Perth. I smiled and nodded, he looked straight through me like I was made of glass. Bastard.
 
Really interesting article.

At first it feels hard to stomach, but then the idea of a truck load of home games towards the end of the season could be a blessing in disguise. Who knows, by then we might even be able to have fans at the stadium and end up ahead of other clubs, financially.

"While there was hope within AFL headquarters late on Monday that South Australia's borders would soon open, the same confidence could not be found with Western Australia's situation.

WA health minister Roger Cooks said on Monday the state "will try to open businesses within the economy before we open any borders".

Under a hub model considered for the Eagles and the Dockers, the teams would play as many away games as possible in Victoria, with the hope that WA's restrictions would be eased later in the year and they could therefore finish with a bank of home games."


Bigfooty would break if we got to play the last 7 games at Optus and then won the flag.
 

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