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IMO the afl asked for trouble when it wanted to conduct confidential tests with no strings attached. but unless gill administered the tests he can't control the people that are involved talking out of turn.

my question is if the leak came from the AFL why is it that only collingwood was named?

in any case the AFL needs to do away with this confidential testing. if it's just done for research purposes then why do players/clubs even need to be recorded?
 
Yes that was probably the same bloke, Mike Fitzpartrick. It was a disgrace. Sydney took the piss out of the rules but they didnt break any....except the unwritten rule "though shall not make the AFL look like fools". I take it you also concur with the OP . And no, its not a new revelation, this is just the latest instalment.

FWIW I took exception to the comment by the previous poster that if Eddie wasnt Eddie doing his Eddie things then this woudl not have happened to us...ipso facto its Collingwoods fault for bringing on themselves by being Collingwood and having a loudmouth for a president
This isn't Collingwood's fault for having a loudmouth president. But it certainly reduces any sympathy you might get after your president has basically run his mouth off in the media for years, willing to step on any club if it got Collingwood any slight advantage.

People talk about bullies? You president is the biggest one in the AFL. I'm sure Essendon fans won't forget "Sarah" in any hurry. We won't forget Eddies war on COLA and academies. The lions haven't forgotten Eddies war on them after the 3-peat. The poorer clubs won't forget Eddies tireless efforts to compromise, water-down and try to remove the equalisation measures. Eddie himself has compromised the integrity of the AFL on many occasions, using his media presence to push it in the direction he wants it to go, so instead of worrying about it, i just found it kind of funny when he was on the receiving end.

Now as for AFL integrity in general? It has none. It never has. That's just the way it is. The leaking of the number 11 is not the first, it will not be the last. It will be forgotten in a couple of weeks and the AFL will move on.
 

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The AFL hasn't had integrity since the early 90's

It's all about money and control now

All the rule changes aren't to make the game more free flowing or easier on the eye
It's about giving the league control to fix Games, as it's all about "interpretations"

The afl couldn't care less what players put in their body
The afl care about the players being caught
 
IMO the afl asked for trouble when it wanted to conduct confidential tests with no strings attached. but unless gill administered the tests he can't control the people that are involved talking out of turn.

my question is if the leak came from the AFL why is it that only collingwood was named?

in any case the AFL needs to do away with this confidential testing. if it's just done for research purposes then why do players/clubs even need to be recorded?
Whether or not Gillon can control those involved makes no difference to the accountability of the AFL. They entered into an agreement with the players association on the basis of confidentiality and the players association has every right to feel aggrieved by their catastrophic failure. They would also be well within their rights to demand an investigation into the source of the leak and appropriate sanctions if the AFL are to regain their trust. The AFL has a responsibility to honour its agreement and like it or not, the buck stops at Gil's feet.
 
This isn't Collingwood's fault for having a loudmouth president. But it certainly reduces any sympathy you might get after your president has basically run his mouth off in the media for years, willing to step on any club if it got Collingwood any slight advantage.

People talk about bullies? You president is the biggest one in the AFL. I'm sure Essendon fans won't forget "Sarah" in any hurry. We won't forget Eddies war on COLA and academies. The lions haven't forgotten Eddies war on them after the 3-peat. The poorer clubs won't forget Eddies tireless efforts to compromise, water-down and try to remove the equalisation measures. Eddie himself has compromised the integrity of the AFL on many occasions, using his media presence to push it in the direction he wants it to go, so instead of worrying about it, i just found it kind of funny when he was on the receiving end.

Now as for AFL integrity in general? It has none. It never has. That's just the way it is. The leaking of the number 11 is not the first, it will not be the last. It will be forgotten in a couple of weeks and the AFL will move on.

I am no fan of Eddie but good on him for that. Can't believe y'all are still complaining about having to compete on equal terms with other clubs.
 
Whether or not Gillon can control those involved makes no difference to the accountability of the AFL. They entered into an agreement with the players association on the basis of confidentiality and the players association has every right to feel aggrieved by their catastrophic failure. They would also be well within their rights to demand an investigation into the source of the leak and appropriate sanctions if the AFL are to regain their trust. The AFL has a responsibility to honour its agreement and like it or not, the buck stops at Gil's feet.


Its true that the information is collected and distributed by the AFL, if it was agreed upon that this information was to be handed to the clubs by the AFLPA, then that custody of the information is then transfered at the acknowledgment of the players. What the clubs do with the information becomes their responsibility. Players havent been mentioned just numbers, and only one club has been named, which may point more to the clubs being the leak.

But to say the AFL is responisble isnt correct if it was agreed upon by the players that the clubs would be advised of numbers which it appears they have, the players have given their permision!
 
Its true that the information is collected and distributed by the AFL, if it was agreed upon that this information was to be handed to the clubs by the AFLPA, then that custody of the information is then transfered at the acknowledgment of the players. What the clubs do with the information becomes their responsibility. Players havent been mentioned just numbers, and only one club has been named, which may point more to the clubs being the leak.

But to say the AFL is responisble isnt correct if it was agreed upon by the players that the clubs would be advised of numbers which it appears they have, the players have given their permision!
I respectfully disagree. The only way that I can see that a club official would have disseminated this information is if the AFL supplied information about clubs other than the club to which they were providing the information. If that is the case then it is clearly a case of gross incompetence. In what parallel universe would anyone with half a brain consider the dissemination of 3rd party cubs data to be a logical or reasonable thing to do? Obviously none of us are privy to the actual text of the agreement but it has been stated that the data had an extremely limited audience at each club and as I have said before, the suggestion that any club would throw their own playing group under a bus is ridiculous in the extreme.
 
I respectfully disagree. The only way that I can see that a club official would have disseminated this information is if the AFL supplied information about clubs other than the club to which they were providing the information. If that is the case then it is clearly a case of gross incompetence. In what parallel universe would anyone with half a brain consider the dissemination of 3rd party cubs data to be a logical or reasonable thing to do? Obviously none of us are privy to the actual text of the agreement but it has been stated that the data had an extremely limited audience at each club and as I have said before, the suggestion that any club would throw their own playing group under a bus is ridiculous in the extreme.


We dont know what the AFL was allowed to give the clubs as agreed to by the players, but you would think numbers would be a start and definetly not names. Which is consistent with what has been leaked. I agree you would be crazy to throw your own club under a bus, but depends who in the club had access to the info.

But to suggest its the AFL's responsibility with the info is simply not correct as it appeas the clubs were allowed to be told and this was agreed to by the players, as nothing has been said about the numbers being given to clubs, just not names!
 
We dont know what the AFL was allowed to give the clubs as agreed to by the players, but you would think numbers would be a start and definetly not names. Which is consistent with what has been leaked. I agree you would be crazy to throw your own club under a bus, but depends who in the club had access to the info.

But to suggest its the AFL's responsibility with the info is simply not correct as it appeas the clubs were allowed to be told and this was agreed to by the players, as nothing has been said about the numbers being given to clubs, just not names!
To be fair, at no stage did I say that officials of the AFLPA had no responsibility in ensuring that the agreement held water but that's another issue and we simply don't know what was signed up to. My understanding is that the info was provided to only one or two from each club based on what has been said by Nathan Buckley and/or Chris Scott on AFL360. Regardless of any of that, the game has been brought into disrepute, the confidence of the players has been infringed and I believe personally that it is incumbent on the AFL to deal with the culprit regardless of where they happen to lie.
 
How do you know Eagles players still haven't failed drug testing in the off season, are you blokes completely drug free now?
Nah, they said every club had some with the least players positive at one club was 3. So I am hoping we are on the lower end of the scale now, but who knows we could be one of the clubs with more than the Pies.
 

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Nah, they said every club had some with the least players positive at one club was 3. So I am hoping we are on the lower end of the scale now, but who knows we could be one of the clubs with more than the Pies.

In the end of the day you can have 3 or 23, still have people on the list with failed drug test.
 
How do you come up with that from one word?

The confidentiality breach of all players is rather fascinating considering theses are actually medical reports rather than punitive...
It's pretty obvious how I came up with that, you finish every post with ellipses. Really, if you want to make a point quit being a coward & actually type something
 
To be fair, at no stage did I say that officials of the AFLPA had no responsibility in ensuring that the agreement held water but that's another issue and we simply don't know what was signed up to. My understanding is that the info was provided to only one or two from each club based on what has been said by Nathan Buckley and/or Chris Scott on AFL360. Regardless of any of that, the game has been brought into disrepute, the confidence of the players has been infringed and I believe personally that it is incumbent on the AFL to deal with the culprit regardless of where they happen to lie.


Yes but it is impossible for the AFL to find out as Robbo is not under any obligation to advise his source and without that we dont know if the leak came from the clubs or AFL. The clubs were privy to the info, which we presume was agreed to by the plaers as there has been no complaint about the clubs being informed numbers, not names.

So how has he integrity of the AFL in question, without knowing the above.
 
BUT - he has, unquestionably, been great for the AFL, as a business, over the last 20 years, and any club would love to have him as president.

And, despite him rubbing some people the wrong way - there is no ******* way that excuses a breach of confidentiality against players.
Why do so many Collingwood supporters continue to spruik this line? I'd be absolutely embarrassed if my club had an over-opinionated, conniving buffoon like Him as Prez.
 

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Did you, or did you not have two players suspended over this issue last year? The message is clearly not getting through to your playing group and, if you actually care about player welfare, that should be your primary concern, not who leaked this information.

Hilarious! We are only the third worst offenders potentially. But Pies only team made.
You are literally proving the point being made
 
Yes but it is impossible for the AFL to find out as Robbo is not under any obligation to advise his source and without that we dont know if the leak came from the clubs or AFL. The clubs were privy to the info, which we presume was agreed to by the plaers as there has been no complaint about the clubs being informed numbers, not names.

So how has he integrity of the AFL in question, without knowing the above.

Would have thought it was integral for them to at least review how the information was disseminated and to who, and where a possible leak came from? Who knows they may ask and someone may just tell them but if they never investigate it they won't even come close to finding out how it happened.

I love how the media say we shouldn't care about how Robbo found out but rather the alarming figures of illicit drug use, well I think both are quite alarming. And I actually think it is an article that any journo should have written if they were given that information.
 
I have said many a time that Ed needs to keep his mouth shut more often (which, after his initial comments, he has been quiet on this subject - suggesting there are much greater discussions happening behind closed doors) and he's someone that should not be given a microphone as often as he is...
BUT - he has, unquestionably, been great for the AFL, as a business, over the last 20 years, and any club would love to have him as president.

And, despite him rubbing some people the wrong way - there is no ******* way that excuses a breach of confidentiality against players.


I can see what you are saying - but have to disagree - no way id want him as the eagles president. if i supported norf or the doggies id see a good case but the way he handled the malthouse / buckley thing cost you lot a premiership - and for the teams that arent battling just to survive theres no amount of money worth that.
 
Yes but it is impossible for the AFL to find out as Robbo is not under any obligation to advise his source and without that we dont know if the leak came from the clubs or AFL. The clubs were privy to the info, which we presume was agreed to by the plaers as there has been no complaint about the clubs being informed numbers, not names.

So how has he integrity of the AFL in question, without knowing the above.
It's simple, the AFL at the very least has a moral responsibility to the players even regardless of any written agreement and regardless of how the information came into the public arena. What I'm suggesting is that if they have any integrity, the very minimum they should be doing is to launch an investigation to at least provide some support to the players. Any decent organisation would do this however, to this time the AFL has not even seen fit to comment. That, in its simplest form is what I'm talking about when I speak of integrity.
 
I can see what you are saying - but have to disagree - no way id want him as the eagles president. if i supported norf or the doggies id see a good case but the way he handled the malthouse / buckley thing cost you lot a premiership - and for the teams that arent battling just to survive theres no amount of money worth that.
Wow, are there still people out there who are unaware that it was Eddie who saved Mick from the lynch mob when people were calling for him to be sacked in 2009? Honestly, this same old tired misinformation gets trotted out so often that some people seem to actually believe it to be true. FFS!
 
Would have thought it was integral for them to at least review how the information was disseminated and to who, and where a possible leak came from? Who knows they may ask and someone may just tell them but if they never investigate it they won't even come close to finding out how it happened.

I love how the media say we shouldn't care about how Robbo found out but rather the alarming figures of illicit drug use, well I think both are quite alarming. And I actually think it is an article that any journo should have written if they were given that information.
Agreed. I just don't agree with him throwing Collingwood under the bus. There was no need to mention them whatsoever, particularly with such sketchy details. I thought that was a bit unethical.
 

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