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Review Interim Captain thoughts

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fairfooty said:
You're entitled to your opinion - your post actually says far more about you than it does about me and your old ideas about leadership and management - particularly given I'm one of very few in this thread who has justified their position instead of simply chanting for Danger - just hope you never come across me in a recruitment process :)
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Your concepts listed in your post are very much formed by a task related leadership style that only exists in limited forms

The statement of "never demand of others what you can't do yourself" is just crap. Do you honestly think that all Senior Leadership roles should be able to do every task within their band of control, if you do you are back in the 80's man

Leadership is purely a process of social influence and how one person through their personal traits can bring a collective skills set together, get the best out of those resources to deliver a shared goal or outcome and by doing so you don't need to be the expert in all areas which means you can ask of others to use a certain skill or capability what you can't do yourself in order for the team to deliver on their objective

You are obviously clueless on the subject
 

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The Sloane Ranger said:
Your concepts listed in your post are very much formed by a task related leadership style that only exists in limited forms

The statement of "never demand of others what you can't do yourself" is just crap. Do you honestly think that all Senior Leadership roles should be able to do every task within their band of control, if you do you are back in the 80's man

Leadership is purely a process of social influence and how one person through their personal traits can bring a collective skills set together, get the best out of those resources to deliver a shared goal or outcome and by doing so you don't need to be the expert in all areas which means you can ask of others to use a certain skill or capability what you can't do yourself in order for the team to deliver on their objective

You are obviously clueless on the subject
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And you can obviously cut and paste with a touch of paraphrasing. Clueless indeed. And I thought you much better than that.

Would be really interested in other considered thoughts on who should be our next captain, interim or otherwise.
 
fairfooty said:
Slippery I'm happy to agree to disagree. I'll never agree with 'win at all costs'. But I do agree it was a necessarily highly qualitative list - and I'd be genuinely interested to see others have a similar go at defining what makes a great leader. Agree leadership is not quantifiable except in the most superficial pop psychology way which is why I listed the characteristics in the way I did. And IMO the use of qualitative data is under rated. At least I use some basic research and thoughtful experience which evolves over time to support my position - both here and professionally.
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People will want to follow natural leaders - people with a decent EQ (ability to relate/get the best out of people) is more important than their IQ (though helps too to know what you are doing!) You can't force/demand people to follow you as a leader - certainly not to be effective for the long-term.

IMO, Danger is the type of character players would want to play for as he is a good bloke who is inspirational on the field. This decision should be a no brainer!
 
fairfooty said:
IMO as well, Danger is not the man for the job - yet. Said it before, and I'll say it again, best footballers (technical skills) are not necessarily the best on field leaders. While I think he's a marvellous footballer, Danger can be very tunnel visioned on field and that's not a good leadership quality. And the best leadership qualities we have at the moment are in Sloane by a country mile and the dark horse in the race is Douggy - didn't win best team man for nothing. I think Truck would also do a fine job as Interim Captain but I worry if he'll play enough games to make it possible.

So if it was up to me: Sloane would be interim captain, Douggy would be vice (formidable combination IMO) and Truck and Danger in the leadership group (if they aren't already).

And let's not underestimate the importance of this decision - make the wrong one and we wind up in a helluva mess performance and team-relationship wise.

ETA: Co-captains is a bloody nonsense. Never. Ever see a Co-CEO? :rolleyes:
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You still haven't answered me why Danger lacks the leadership skills in your opinion, as you haven't proved anything of substance yet.
 
fairfooty said:
And you can obviously cut and paste with a touch of paraphrasing. Clueless indeed. And I thought you much better than that.

Would be really interested in other considered thoughts on who should be our next captain, interim or otherwise.
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Rights what ever floats your boat

Next Captain either Sloane or Danger, or both as Co-Captains
 
Vader said:
No argument that Thommo is our Clanger King - and led the league in that stat quite comprehensively for a few years. I made the same comment many, many times over the last few seasons.

However, the fact that he was our VC last year, with Sloane & Dangerfield as his deputies, Rutten not even making the reduced leadership group, would tend to indicate that the club don't see things the same way that you do.
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Just to be factually correct, Rutten chose to step down from leadership group. It wasn't a case of Rutten 'not making the leadership group'.
 
lunacy said:
Just to be factually correct, Rutten chose to step down from leadership group. It wasn't a case of Rutten 'not making the leadership group'.
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Sando decided to reduce the size of the leadership group, which most of us would agree had become ridiculously bloated under Craig. As a result, there just wasn't room for him, Thompson, Dangerfield & Sloane all in the group. One of them had to miss out and he selflessly chose to stand down. He's still one of the best leaders in our team - and I've never argued otherwise - but he's clearly behind Thompson if they're going to go with an interim captaincy option.
 
Danger was born to lead men. This is his chance. I don't see why we would go for any alternative. It would also help lock him in at the club for his career

Those arguing against must just like arguing for the sake of arguing. Danger is THE man for the job
 
One area where I think Sloane has the edge over Danger is that Sloane seems to be a real barometer for our team; if he is playing well the team is playing well too. This is not in downhill skier fashion, rather he seems to lift the team around him, bringing them into the game.

Danger on the other hand doesn't quite seem to have this ability of bringing his teammates into the game yet, rather relying on his own brilliance. Perhaps with the mantle of captain he may be forced to do this more.

Sloane steps up and brings the team along with him.
Danger steps up and drags the team along with him.

At the end of the day, both guys would be great.
 

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FR0GGY said:
Have we thought if a fight to the death between them to decide?
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Danger was asked once who would win if a ball was placed between the pair of them and they had to go and get it. Without hesitation, he said there is no way he wants to be in the way of Rory when there was a ball to be got.
 

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Vader said:
Sando decided to reduce the size of the leadership group, which most of us would agree had become ridiculously bloated under Craig. As a result, there just wasn't room for him, Thompson, Dangerfield & Sloane all in the group. One of them had to miss out and he selflessly chose to stand down. He's still one of the best leaders in our team - and I've never argued otherwise - but he's clearly behind Thompson if they're going to go with an interim captaincy option.
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You don't know he was behind Thompson. All we knew is he didn't want to be in the leadership group anymore and wanted to work with the young defenders instead.

Now you can try read between the lines and/or make things up, but the fact is he stepped down.
 
fairfooty said:
Like I said - glad you lot aren't doing leadership selection at the club - barely any of you are focused on the main game and most are soooo easily distracted despite the multiple opportunities the post afforded you for discussion. Sad really.
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Squirrel!
 
The Sloane Ranger said:
Your concepts listed in your post are very much formed by a task related leadership style that only exists in limited forms

The statement of "never demand of others what you can't do yourself" is just crap. Do you honestly think that all Senior Leadership roles should be able to do every task within their band of control, if you do you are back in the 80's man

Leadership is purely a process of social influence and how one person through their personal traits can bring a collective skills set together, get the best out of those resources to deliver a shared goal or outcome and by doing so you don't need to be the expert in all areas which means you can ask of others to use a certain skill or capability what you can't do yourself in order for the team to deliver on their objective

You are obviously clueless on the subject
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Just because someone thinks differently doesn't make them clueless. Seriously, you guys have barely progressed out of the play ground.
 

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