International Rules 2011

[Biggy_Boy]

According to the GAA boss, a poor crowd at the Gold Coast will probably mean the end of the experiment.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gae...ure-of-rules-series-admits-duffy-2921797.html
Looks a forgone conclusion - I'm guessing they will get less than 10,000. If they get 15,000, the AFL would be doing cartwheels. To put that in perspective, the A league match at the weekend only drew 2,900.

God, let's hope no one shows up.

What a joke of a 'hybrid' game. Hopefully we can get them sooking like they did in 2006 and then do away with this snorefest.

 

[cos789]

See cos789 you speak without experience and full of ignorance of the Irish game.

Really ? I follow the game.
Visually the ground looks like GAA.
If you played AR you would know IR has little in common with AFL.
Though IR is not GAA, that's the way it appears to most Australians.
That's not a problem for those Australians who follow the series.

 

[Spitta09]

See cos789 you speak without experience and full of ignorance of the Irish game. As I outlined in my posts a lot of Australians make comment here without actually ever witnessing or even trying to understand a game of Gaelic football. I've played both I've experienced both games and I understand the difficulties of playing AFL after playing GAA all my life (obviously the same goes the other way). All I was trying to point out in the previous posts is that it is a Compromise rules game, it's not GAA, not even close.
It's not automatic thought for the Irish to take a mark they hesitate, then they go and before you know it they are being tackled. They understand until they actually get tackled a couple of times that if they don't take the mark there is probably a guy coming at them to tackle them.
In GAA the tackle is simply shoulder bump other than that players tend to just attempt to force a player to play the ball by pressuring them (I.e. player can only take 5 steps before bouncing or soloing as we call it). Hardly a tackle in the sense of AFL tackle which is something that takes time to hone like any skill. Yes 20 minutes is a fitness thing and we are playing a professional team who are a lot fitter for a game longer than we are used to. The pitch is smaller than an AFL pitch again which means that the Aussies probably will have more juice in the tank than usual. Smaller pitch also means that the Aussies actually have an even greater chance of tackling the Irish players (which I think explains the large amount of tackles and violence in previous games). Again extra steps might sound like a little thing but it's not a normal natural aspect of the Irish game to take so many steps.
All you guys talk about in relation to this game is the physical stuff. There is something sick in Australian sport. If you want to see fights go down to your local RSL clubs on a Saturday night. As I have said the Irish don't have a problem with the tackle just so long as it is within the rules of the games. Since when do you see AFL players holding eachother down on the ground after the ball has gone 50 yards up the field for five minutes and have 3 or 4 of his team mates come sliding in to give them a hand. It's all gutless stuff really. Sad buffer-head stuff. Attitudes to sport need to change in Australia as Australians are getting a bad name across the globe. An example in the last game was when Bolton got a neck injury. The tackle was fine but there was a lot of chest beating and hand slapping between the Australians as he lay on the ground (I believe this was the reason the Irish player entered the Australian huddle as he took offence to it). Like there is something wrong there, that's just a ridiculous and unsporting attitude. The thing is I already know what most of the responses will be here. Very predictable I'm sure. Maybe a link of a video of a couple of the Irish boys getting hammered in the previous games.

Can you please do an essay for me mate? its due tomorrow 2000 words but with that post your a quarter of the way there.

Ftr i like gaelic football.

 

[Gman12]

Attitudes to sport need to change in Australia as Australians are getting a bad name across the globe. An example in the last game was when Bolton got a neck injury. The tackle was fine but there was a lot of chest beating and hand slapping between the Australians as he lay on the ground (I believe this was the reason the Irish player entered the Australian huddle as he took offence to it). Like there is something wrong there, that's just a ridiculous and unsporting attitude. The thing is I already know what most of the responses will be here. Very predictable I'm sure. Maybe a link of a video of a couple of the Irish boys getting hammered in the previous games.

with regards to Robinson and subsequent "chest beating", I certainly dont think it was the case. he got commended on a good win of posession of the ball and for going in hard and fair. most pplayers would duck out of the situation, but he went in fully committed and won the ball. the other players weretn to know Bolton was concussed. it wasnt chest beating IMO, more a case of the same congrats you get for a good pass or a good block or something. Robinson made a good play, it was unfortunate Botlon came off worse.

and as for Reilly going into the Aussie huddle, it had nothing to do with Bolton and his injury, it was eaves dropping on their team talk. simple as, and thats why tempers got frayed.

 

[Duggie]

with regards to Robinson and subsequent "chest beating", I certainly dont think it was the case. he got commended on a good win of posession of the ball and for going in hard and fair. most pplayers would duck out of the situation, but he went in fully committed and won the ball. the other players weretn to know Bolton was concussed. it wasnt chest beating IMO, more a case of the same congrats you get for a good pass or a good block or something. Robinson made a good play, it was unfortunate Botlon came off worse.

and as for Reilly going into the Aussie huddle, it had nothing to do with Bolton and his injury, it was eaves dropping on their team talk. simple as, and thats why tempers got frayed.

ya in fairness that was a fair 50/50. its just bolton kinda got hit akwardly. nothing in it atal.

 

[cos789]

Attitudes to sport need to change in Australia as Australians are getting a bad name across the globe.

So you're saying AFL is known across the globe now.

 

[phantom13]

To add I love AFL and think it's a great sport so don't get me wrong I'm not anti-AFL.

There is no truth in the dribble you post, that's the problem, and you might love afl but clearly you think it's played by bone headed violent idiots, if you are that one eyed you missed all the off the ball shots the Irish have put on since the series started then you are even dumber than you sound, our boys are no angels but nor are yours. For what it's worth I played Gaelic here for a few summers and it's a ripping sport, exceptionally skillful and athletic, I also played a few games with ir rules while we were down there and not one single person thought the game was more similar to afl the Irish boys included.

 

[cos789]

I played Gaelic here for a few summers and it's a ripping sport, exceptionally skillful and athletic, I also played a few games with ir rules while we were down there and not one single person thought the game was more similar to afl the Irish boys included.

In your opinion. did you find there was a tendancy to tackle the Gaelic players in IR because they let themselves a little open to be tackled ?
i.e. There was more opportunity to do so.

 

[TheRevolution]

Look out the aussies are gunna get tough this week lol toughness wasn't the problem, it was their ball skills that were beyond woeful.

 

[ziad]

See cos789 you speak without experience and full of ignorance of the Irish game. As I outlined in my posts a lot of Australians make comment here without actually ever witnessing or even trying to understand a game of Gaelic football. I've played both I've experienced both games and I understand the difficulties of playing AFL after playing GAA all my life (obviously the same goes the other way). All I was trying to point out in the previous posts is that it is a Compromise rules game, it's not GAA, not even close.
It's not automatic thought for the Irish to take a mark they hesitate, then they go and before you know it they are being tackled. They understand until they actually get tackled a couple of times that if they don't take the mark there is probably a guy coming at them to tackle them.
In GAA the tackle is simply shoulder bump other than that players tend to just attempt to force a player to play the ball by pressuring them (I.e. player can only take 5 steps before bouncing or soloing as we call it). Hardly a tackle in the sense of AFL tackle which is something that takes time to hone like any skill. Yes 20 minutes is a fitness thing and we are playing a professional team who are a lot fitter for a game longer than we are used to. The pitch is smaller than an AFL pitch again which means that the Aussies probably will have more juice in the tank than usual. Smaller pitch also means that the Aussies actually have an even greater chance of tackling the Irish players (which I think explains the large amount of tackles and violence in previous games). Again extra steps might sound like a little thing but it's not a normal natural aspect of the Irish game to take so many steps.
All you guys talk about in relation to this game is the physical stuff. There is something sick in Australian sport. If you want to see fights go down to your local RSL clubs on a Saturday night. As I have said the Irish don't have a problem with the tackle just so long as it is within the rules of the games. Since when do you see AFL players holding eachother down on the ground after the ball has gone 50 yards up the field for five minutes and have 3 or 4 of his team mates come sliding in to give them a hand. It's all gutless stuff really. Sad buffer-head stuff. Attitudes to sport need to change in Australia as Australians are getting a bad name across the globe. An example in the last game was when Bolton got a neck injury. The tackle was fine but there was a lot of chest beating and hand slapping between the Australians as he lay on the ground (I believe this was the reason the Irish player entered the Australian huddle as he took offence to it). Like there is something wrong there, that's just a ridiculous and unsporting attitude. The thing is I already know what most of the responses will be here. Very predictable I'm sure. Maybe a link of a video of a couple of the Irish boys getting hammered in the previous games.

what is Celtic for paragraph breaks

 

[ziad]

So you're saying AFL is known across the globe now.

plus the 21000 that actually bothered watching the game

 

[Bouvet_Island]

So you're saying AFL is known across the globe now.

Quite probably.
Fevola, Carey, Fletcher, Laidley, Brown & Weller have all helped give police departments around the world an awareness of AFL.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

See cos789 you speak without experience and full of ignorance of the Irish game. As I outlined in my posts a lot of Australians make comment here without actually ever witnessing or even trying to understand a game of Gaelic football. I've played both I've experienced both games and I understand the difficulties of playing AFL after playing GAA all my life (obviously the same goes the other way). All I was trying to point out in the previous posts is that it is a Compromise rules game, it's not GAA, not even close.
It's not automatic thought for the Irish to take a mark they hesitate, then they go and before you know it they are being tackled. They understand until they actually get tackled a couple of times that if they don't take the mark there is probably a guy coming at them to tackle them.
In GAA the tackle is simply shoulder bump other than that players tend to just attempt to force a player to play the ball by pressuring them (I.e. player can only take 5 steps before bouncing or soloing as we call it). Hardly a tackle in the sense of AFL tackle which is something that takes time to hone like any skill. Yes 20 minutes is a fitness thing and we are playing a professional team who are a lot fitter for a game longer than we are used to. The pitch is smaller than an AFL pitch again which means that the Aussies probably will have more juice in the tank than usual. Smaller pitch also means that the Aussies actually have an even greater chance of tackling the Irish players (which I think explains the large amount of tackles and violence in previous games). Again extra steps might sound like a little thing but it's not a normal natural aspect of the Irish game to take so many steps.
All you guys talk about in relation to this game is the physical stuff. There is something sick in Australian sport. If you want to see fights go down to your local RSL clubs on a Saturday night. As I have said the Irish don't have a problem with the tackle just so long as it is within the rules of the games. Since when do you see AFL players holding eachother down on the ground after the ball has gone 50 yards up the field for five minutes and have 3 or 4 of his team mates come sliding in to give them a hand. It's all gutless stuff really. Sad buffer-head stuff. Attitudes to sport need to change in Australia as Australians are getting a bad name across the globe. An example in the last game was when Bolton got a neck injury. The tackle was fine but there was a lot of chest beating and hand slapping between the Australians as he lay on the ground (I believe this was the reason the Irish player entered the Australian huddle as he took offence to it). Like there is something wrong there, that's just a ridiculous and unsporting attitude. The thing is I already know what most of the responses will be here. Very predictable I'm sure. Maybe a link of a video of a couple of the Irish boys getting hammered in the previous games.

Must be a troll, nobody could be this antagonistic, wrong or provocatively stupid without it being deliberate.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Quite probably.
Fevola, Carey, Fletcher, Laidley, Brown & Weller have all helped give police departments around the world an awareness of AFL.

Compared to their NFL and NBA counterparts they do not even rate a mention, both in terms of popularity of the sport and indiscretions committed.

Heck, does not even come close to the intrenched corruption associated with soccer, or match fixing with cricket.

 

[Bouvet_Island]

Compared to their NFL and NBA counterparts they do not even rate a mention, both in terms of popularity of the sport and indiscretions committed.

True, but when you consider the sheer number of players in each sport, there's no denying that AFL players "punch above their weight" in terms of shame it bringing shame to their nation.

Heck, does not even come close to the intrenched corruption associated with soccer, or match fixing with cricket.

"Intrenched corruption"?

You mean like bonus draft picks and salary cap bonuses for teams that that the AFL want to do well?

 

[zachary]

zachary OK looked at the video and to be honest that one was complimentary to the Aussies. Here is a breakdown, I am still laughing if you think the Irish were equally dirty (I have left out the 50/50 ones:
1. Australian takes the head of an Irish guy
2. Australian pins Irish guy on his back after tackle
3. Australian pins Irish guy on his back after tackle
4. Fair tackle Irish guy punches ball
5. Australian pins Irish guy on his back after tackle
6. Irish guy knees Australian in the head (probably up there with the worst) 3 Australians make a v-line for him. Brawl generally you'll see Irish boys trying to break it up with 2 Australians laying in to them
7. Irish player slammed but personally I think that was a great tackle, no argument beat all the crap of pinning guys down after the tackle
8. Irish guy bumped head high by Australian no attempt to play the ball or make a fair tackle
9. Irish guy grabs an Aussies head
Think somebody posted a more realistic youtube video earlier to highlight how great the Australians were in the tackle.

You seem to have overlooked the blood streaming out of Ryan O'Keefe's nose, but maybe you thought that was one of the"50/50s".
Also omitted from the video were all the little rabbit punches and kicks in the shins form the lillywhite Irish boys behind play. Do that often enough and sooner or later they were bound to get belted.
Anyway, the Irish press has the whole concept dead and buried http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/1102/1224306910436.html

 

[DivideandMultiply]

True, but when you consider the sheer number of players in each sport, there's no denying that AFL players "punch above their weight" in terms of shame it bringing shame to their nation.



"Intrenched corruption"?

You mean like bonus draft picks and salary cap bonuses for teams that that the AFL want to do well?

No I mean like systemic issues with match fixing and bribery of officials.

Absolute idiocy to equate poor management, with full on corruption.

 

[.Shotties.]

"Intrenched corruption"?

You mean like bonus draft picks and salary cap bonuses for teams that that the AFL want to do well?

No, think subcontinental cricket or Serie A. I know you love your little snipes but think a little.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

what is Celtic for paragraph breaks

That will depend on whether it's from the Goidelic or Brythonic branch of the family and which oine of those families is speaking it.

 

[dogsbody]

...Also omitted from the video were all the little rabbit punches and kicks in the shins form the lillywhite Irish boys behind play. Do that often enough and sooner or later they were bound to get belted...http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/1102/1224306910436.html

It didn't happen. Search as long and as hard as you can through the videos, you won't find it. That started with a comment from Sheedy, 2 days after the game. Then the computer cowboys on bigfooty took it up.

 

[amer]

It didn't happen. Search as long and as hard as you can through the videos, you won't find it. That started with a comment from Sheedy, 2 days after the game. Then the computer cowboys on bigfooty took it up.

Suggest you go back and watch both series if you're that keen on making a point about this. There were cheap shots everywhere. Confirmed by several in attendance too.

 

[oak79]

The game should have been in Perth - we would have got 30,000 - 35,000 people. Maybe more. We have consistently supported IR better than other states.

The idea a game had to be in Melbourne is wrong, and damaging. Melbourne is not the centre of the universe.

The poor turn out just proves there is an OVER SATURATION of top level AFL football in Melbourne. ie. Too many teams in Melbourne. Most punters had already had the chance to go to a huge number of games this year.

Perth is limited to 1 AFL game a week during the season, in a sold out stadium so many people can't get tickets at all - hence people are more likely to take the chance to go to IR.

 

[Asty]

You seem to have overlooked the blood streaming out of Ryan O'Keefe's nose, but maybe you thought that was one of the"50/50s".
Also omitted from the video were all the little rabbit punches and kicks in the shins form the lillywhite Irish boys behind play. Do that often enough and sooner or later they were bound to get belted.
Anyway, the Irish press has the whole concept dead and buried http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/1102/1224306910436.html

Also repeated in Australian papers ... http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/rules-series-future-in-doubt-20111102-1mvpu.html

The Australian supporters dont really get down in massive numbers to see Gold Coast, Richmond, North Melbourne, inter-state teams (well melb supporters for this one). There are no drawcards in the australian team. Ablett, Judd, Swan/Pendles, Buddy, even Fev are draw cards and supporters will get out of the house to watch the champions play but to go and watch 2nd rate players??

2011

• Richard Douglas (Adelaide) <- Average AFL player
• James Frawley (Melbourne) <- Good defender but really not exciting to watch
• Robbie Gray (Port Adelaide) <- Average forward (compared to ablett when drafted but that is an exageration at best)
• Brad Green (Melbourne) – Captain - wow trialed for Man U ... who cares had an average season and is nearing the end.
• Shaun Grigg (Richmond) - isn't he the guy that is now a v.average player for his second club.
• James Kelly (Geelong) - Good player and AA but is a hard worker not flashy player that excites the crowd. Now if he crunched some tackles on the irish that would be fun.
• Jake King (Richmond) - an angry short man ... wasn't he almost delisted a couple of years ago? pretty average footballer really. Probably wouldn't get a game at a top 8 team.
• Ben McGlynn (Sydney) - another average small forward. runs hard but hardly excites the crowd ... Rioli, Varcoe, Hill - give us a speedster to blast down the track with the ball under arm.
• Trent McKenzie (Gold Coast) - kicked a few long goals but apart from that? and how does kicking a long afl ball equate to accuracy with the round ball. In the team just to get some spectators at the gold coast venue.
• Stephen Milne (St Kilda) - can be sneaky and kick a bag (see McGlyn although a more dangerous player)
• Angus Monfries (Essendon) - Write a diary ... take a dive ... average footballer.
• Robin Nahas (Richmond) - an ok player in a crap team. Not AA quality ever.
• Mark Nicoski (West Coast) - Had an ok season but who in Melbourne would go to the game to see him play.
• Mitch Robinson (Carlton) - Goes in hard but an average plaeyr
• Liam Shiels (Hawthorn) - One good season does not make Aussie rep.
• Zac Smith (Gold Coast) - may get an extra spectator or two in QLD but not in Melb.
• Matt Suckling (Hawthorn) - One good season does not make Aussie rep.
• Andrew Swallow (North Melbourne) - see James Kelly
• Jack Trengove (Melbourne) - may become a champion but not there now.
• Bernie Vince (Adelaide) - He is ok
• Callan Ward (Greater Western Sydney) - promoting GWS main signing really ... not AA quality.
• David Wojcinski (Geelong) - quick but not a high ball winner
• Easton Wood (Western Bulldogs) - Really?

Not worth the admission I dont think. I honestly believe that if this team played against Geelong, Collingwood, Hawthorn and probably quite a few other teams they would also get beaten convincingly.

Might even be better fielding the VFL team of the year!!
... Or TAC team of year more interest in seeing the kids about to be drafted than this group play.

 

[Grongey]

The game should have been in Perth - we would have got 30,000 - 35,000 people. Maybe more. We have consistently supported IR better than other states.

The idea a game had to be in Melbourne is wrong, and damaging. Melbourne is not the centre of the universe.

The poor turn out just proves there is an OVER SATURATION of top level AFL football in Melbourne. ie. Too many teams in Melbourne. Most punters had already had the chance to go to a huge number of games this year.

Perth is limited to 1 AFL game a week during the season, in a sold out stadium so many people can't get tickets at all - hence people are more likely to take the chance to go to IR.

Excellent comment and agree completely.

On the Melbourne clubs, it's not the VFL anymore, and for a national competition to be clinging to these little suburban clubs in Melbourne, it's putting tradition ahead of common sense.

 

[W. Smithers]

If the Aussies were serious about the IR series, wouldn't they get a Gaelic football coach over (the game is 90% Gaelic) and not Rodney Eade. WTF would Eade know about Gaelic football.