Review Is It Time For Roo To Go?

[hey shorty]

Could talk about this for days, but in short.... yes.

 

[GrommoT]

We need a board not only accountable to the AFL.

Is the AFC board accountable to the AwFuL? I don't know but I now have the impression the AFC board is not really accountable to anyone.

 

[ManInTheArena]

Is Roo really responsible? Or is it a board thing? Or is it Pyke? You know I’m not a fan of Roo at all, but I’m not sure he has the sway everyone in here thinks he does.

It's nothing to do with the Roo or the board. Hiring and firing staff is completely the responsibility of the CEO. The ONLY staff member the board hire and fire is the CEO.

Well, that's how it should work, and if it doesn't work like that at the AFC we have a problem board.

 

[Redline]

I like that Roo is brought in by Hurley to bring his name to a couple of pubs and all of a sudden everyone reckons he’s a savvy business man.

This x 100.

 

[Rotayjay]

We made a granny as favourites and minor premiers. Just 20 games later, we are playing like a bottom 4 side and missing the eight altogether. That's a disgrace.

As some people on this board succinctly put it, Ricciuto looked like he was muscling in to break up the old boys club but he is instead fast becoming Chief Old Boy.

After a fall from grace of this scale and speed, he needs to fall on his sword. At the moment, Fagan is not far behind and needs to ask himself why the club is now going so far backwards so quickly under his leadership.

 

[MRB37]

If this is accurate then there is something drastically wrong with how our football department is set up. No one person should have the ultimate say in any one decision. It leads to this kind of situation, where after making a few correct calls, the person in power starts making bad decisions and can't or won't admit fault.

"You're the football guy, if you say he's good then we'll go with him" would be the thought process I imagine.

 

[MRB37]

Anyone involved in the recruitment of Burton should go.

I assume Roo drove it, that front runner Chapman and Mechanism Clearing w***er supported it, so they can all piss off.

After hearing his press conferences, just the way he talks in circles, stutters and speaks with no confidence it's amazing he could pass a proper interview process.

 

[CrowMan90]

"You're the football guy, if you say he's good then we'll go with him" would be the thought process I imagine.

If thats whats going on, then serious off field overall is needed at our club. I doubt many successful sports clubs would function that way.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Brought in Pyke who I think is a very good coach, but that's about it.
For me bringing in Birdman and the promoting him after a season and allowing Haas to come to the club has shown Roo isn't up to it imo.

But Roo’s preference was Woosha

Roomwas also very influential in both Birdman and Hart retuning to the club

I’ve been super disappointed with Roo’s leadership and decision making

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

It's nothing to do with the Roo or the board. Hiring and firing staff is completely the responsibility of the CEO. The ONLY staff member the board hire and fire is the CEO.

Well, that's how it should work, and if it doesn't work like that at the AFC we have a problem board.

No it is not

Not to many CEO’s in any organisations directly hire staff unless they are their own direct reports.

In the case of Birdman Our CEO was the hiring manager but with that said Roo was very influential in the process and strongly recommending Burtan for the role, so I hold them both equally accountable for Burton’s appointment

All other roles within the football department will be largely left to Roo, Birdman and Pyke to hire and fire, all appointments need to be endorsed by the CEO and Board however it would be unusual for a CEO or Board to knock back a recommendation unless new information surfaced about a candidate that wasn’t made available throughout the process

 

[SugarShane]

But Roo’s preference was Woosha

Roomwas also very influential in both Birdman and Hart retuning to the club

I’ve been super disappointed with Roo’s leadership and decision making

Didn't Roo pretty much tell Goodwin the job was his if he wanted it too?

 

[Mike Smyth]

After hearing his press conferences, just the way he talks in circles, stutters and speaks with no confidence it's amazing he could pass a proper interview process.

Thankfully for him he never had too.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Didn't Roo pretty much tell Goodwin the job was his if he wanted it too?

That is the rumour

 

[mattymac]

Holding fire until I see what changes are made after this fiasco of a season in the middle of our long-awaited premiership window...

 

[Pea Nut]

After hearing his press conferences, just the way he talks in circles, stutters and speaks with no confidence it's amazing he could pass a proper interview process.

You can practice and rehearse for a job interview, especially when you have access to firsthand knowledge of what to expect in the interview process. At a press conference, not so much. The guy is a dead set donkey.

 

[ManInTheArena]

No it is not

Not to many CEO’s in any organisations directly hire staff unless they are their own direct reports.

In the case of Birdman Our CEO was the hiring manager but with that said Roo was very influential in the process and strongly recommending Burtan for the role, so I hold them both equally accountable for Burton’s appointment

All other roles within the football department will be largely left to Roo, Birdman and Pyke to hire and fire, all appointments need to be endorsed by the CEO and Board however it would be unusual for a CEO or Board to knock back a recommendation unless new information surfaced about a candidate that wasn’t made available throughout the process

Yes I wasn't suggesting the CEO hired everyone in the organisation. Authority for that is delegated. However, the board shouldn't hire or fire anyone but the CEO. That's a fact.

The board don't need to 'endorse' any appointment. I've never ever asked a board or involved them in any appointment, high level executive or not. It's simply not their job.

You'd take information from Roo and maybe have him on the interview panel for head coach, but he shouldn't be sticking his beak everywhere (if he is).

 

[King Elvis]

Footy Clubs don’t operate like traditional businesses.

 

[Iron]

Yes I wasn't suggesting the CEO hired everyone in the organisation. Authority for that is delegated. However, the board shouldn't hire or fire anyone but the CEO. That's a fact.

The board don't need to 'endorse' any appointment. I've never ever asked a board or involved them in any appointment, high level executive or not. It's simply not their job.

You'd take information from Roo and maybe have him on the interview panel for head coach, but he shouldn't be sticking his beak everywhere (if he is).

Not sure what industries you've been exposed to in the past, but there are plenty of unorthodox NFPs with handsy board members floating around who act exactly like that.

Footy clubs are exactly the same. Personalities are currency. You can get away with that when your 'mission' is as airy and non-accountable as winning a premiership maybe. But who cares really because daddy AFL will buy me another one if I crash it.

 

[ManInTheArena]

Not sure what industries you've been exposed to in the past, but there are plenty of unorthodox NFPs with handsy board members floating around who act exactly like that.

Footy clubs are exactly the same. Personalities are currency. You can get away with that when your 'mission' is as airy and non-accountable as winning a premiership maybe. But who cares really because daddy AFL will buy me another one if I crash it.

Ity bity local sports clubs and NFP's with revenue under $1m you'd expect a board of management. There is no way an organisation of any type with revenue of $50m should have anything close to a board of management. It should be zero management and all governance.

I've noticed Chapman has way to too much operational knowledge and he speaks to the media inappropriately with that knowledge, so I'm not doubting the AFC have some quasi board of governance/management. I suppose the point is, they shouldn't. It should be a flat out board of governance and Chapman and Roo should stick their beaks back where they belong if they're meddling in management.

 

[ManInTheArena]

Footy Clubs don’t operate like traditional businesses.

What gives footy clubs a magic get out of jail free card in regards to operating a best practice large organisation?

 

[King Elvis]

What gives footy clubs a magic get out of jail free card in regards to operating a best practice large organisation?

Their origins, I guess, where they were voluntary positions and normally required the nous of the people on the board to be active in management?

I’m not defending it mate, but you know they are different beasts to actually business/corporations.

 

[ManInTheArena]

Their origins, I guess, where they were voluntary positions and normally required the nous of the people on the board to be active in management?

I’m not defending it mate, but you know they are different beasts to actually business/corporations.

AFL clubs have way outgrown that now. I can understand in the 80's and prior how there would have been active management from the board by necessity, maybe even the 90's. There's no excuse for it now really and it shouldn't be happening if it is.

 

[Thetrader15]

Brought in Pyke who I think is a very good coach, but that's about it.
For me bringing in Birdman and the promoting him after a season and allowing Haas to come to the club has shown Roo isn't up to it imo.

Burton was last man standing for the top role after Noble was 'poached' (the laugh's on them) by the AFL TBH. He was hardly a 'Roo appointment' to that role.

My understanding is that Burton said he wanted to come back to Adelaide and that meant one logical job

 

[hey shorty]

AFL clubs have way outgrown that now. I can understand in the 80's and prior how there would have been active management from the board by necessity, maybe even the 90's. There's no excuse for it now really and it shouldn't be happening if it is.

It does, sporting clubs always get stuck by origins. The best ones are the ones who strive to get away from it

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Ity bity local sports clubs and NFP's with revenue under $1m you'd expect a board of management. There is no way an organisation of any type with revenue of $50m should have anything close to a board of management. It should be zero management and all governance.

I've noticed Chapman has way to too much operational knowledge and he speaks to the media inappropriately with that knowledge, so I'm not doubting the AFC have some quasi board of governance/management. I suppose the point is, they shouldn't. It should be a flat out board of governance and Chapman and Roo should stick their beaks back where they belong if they're meddling in management.

How would you rate the governance of the AFC Board?

What questions should they be asking after a season of great potential has gone to shyte? Who is accountable & what actions need to be taken to fix it?