Opinion Is Jack Macrae Overrated?

[St 07]

Here’s reality…..the guy I’m referring to is an All Australian and b’n’f recipient. And most importantly plays in a much more difficult position than the one of the person this thread is about.

Decent troll, well played.

 

[gangsta deluxe]

Here’s reality…..the guy I’m referring to is an All Australian and b’n’f recipient. And most importantly plays in a much more difficult position than the one of the person this thread is about.

He was Alll Australian *once* 5 years ago. He hasn’t really been close to that outside of that year and maybe one other. He’s been a great player for the club. He and we all recognise he’s not in the same league as Jack. To suggest that he is and just keep repeating one point (“his position his harder” seriously wtf) is just idiotic.

Maybe they should stack the AA team with medium defenders, put one on the RR position eh?

 

[charcoalchicken]

Daniel is just a step below, but his impact is massive.

not sure I agree with that, I’d have Daniel as better than macrae as well tbh

Bontempelli, Naughton, Daniel, Wood, Hunter, Smith I rate higher.

I’ll give you bontempelli, naughton and Daniel, smith will get there but not yet, wood and hunter yeah nah, not really close tbh, wood is way off, we have a few defenders that are better than him in the team right now in keath and duryea

 

[AFLOnline]

I can’t see how anyone can think he’s an overrated stat merchant

he’s every bit as damaging as just about any midfielder in the comp

 

[Bulldog1954]

 

[Sydney Kicker]

Terrible thread. I'd argue he's one of the most underrated players in the comp. For mine he's the Bulldogs best player (even over Bont). Pretty much never has a bad game. Swap him to Brisbane and Neale (last years Brownlow winner) to the Bulldogs and Brisbane wins reasonably comfortably last night.

 

[SSSSSS]

Jack is stuck in the strange paradox that many great players find themselves.

As soon as people start saying he is underrated (which he isn't) he is overrated. As soon as people start saying he is overrated (which he isn't) he is underrated.

I think he's rated pretty fairly.

 

[zucvv]

He is definitely our best ever player in finals, even over Bont, FACT!

 

[Dancing Dougy]

Jack is stuck in the strange paradox that many great players find themselves.

As soon as people start saying he is underrated (which he isn't) he is overrated. As soon as people start saying he is overrated (which he isn't) he is underrated.

I think he's rated pretty fairly.

This!!

 

[Dan]

Why hasn't he won a B'n'F at his club?

Not that it should be used as knock on a player per se but the way some in here idolise him....one poster has regarded Macrae as a player that will be top 5 players ever at the club.

Curious to see what people genuinely think....

 

[WillHayward]

He's bloody good.
Top ten in the comp.
The real question is who is better out of him and Bont?

 

[kozi]

High SC scores = overrated

It's bush logic at best. As worst it's the recipe for the embarrassment that is much of this thread

 

[Substance]

He's bloody good.
Top ten in the comp.
The real question is who is better out of him and Bont?

He's more clutch than Bont in finals. Bont is obviously better though.

 

[the dog's kennel]

Bontempelli, Naughton, Daniel, Wood, Hunter, Smith I rate higher.

I'm not going to have a go at you, like some others have in this thread. But for what its worth I personally think Naughton and Daniel are in the same ballpark as Macrae. But Hunter and Smith aren't close. And Wood wouldn't even be in our playing side if Crozier wasn't dramatically out of form.

I understand why Macrae is under-rated - it's cause he doesn't kick goals. Neutrals tend to rate players who kick goals much higher. Which is fair enough. But most don't notice just how powerful a 2-way runner he is. While he is out there racking up possies, he frequently tops the team for pressure points as well. The other thing that people don't notice is just how consistently on target he is inside 50. He is our most reliable kick inside 50 by a mile. Yes - he doesn't do Bont style missiles. But Bont is a 50-50 proposition inside 50 at best. Macrae does much better. Also he lifts EVERY SINGLE TIME we need something special. As someone else has noted, he always performs in finals.

But if you rate goal-kicking as an essential element for any quality midfielder, I could understand you not rating Macrae all that highly. I'd just beg to differ!

 

[Dan]

^why can't you lot be civil like this?^

 

[LittleG]

^why can't you lot be civil like this?^

Because your thread is a troll thread. You don’t make an ‘overrated’ thread for any other purpose.
Why we would think that you actually just look a goals kicked and make an assessment of a player based on that single stat? It’s not like goals kicked is the most important stat for a midfielder, particularly a defensive running one like Macrae. [emoji1751]

 

[_Mike_]

He's a very good defender.

And plays in a position on the ground that makes him accountable for the opposition best forward and in some case that team's best player.

He was a very good intercept mark/defender, he's a long way off that now. To rate Wood and Hunter over Macrae's impact solidifies the opinion that you dont watch the games.

 

[Dancing Dougy]

^why can't you lot be civil like this?^

Because it’s pretty clear many in here just want to troll. Many struggle to be civil when engaging with fools.

 

[Dancing Dougy]

He was a very good intercept mark/defender, he's a long way off that now. To rate Wood and Hunter over Macrae's impact solidifies the opinion that you dont watch the games.

100%. As soon as he mentioned Wood being the superior player, every Bulldog supporter and anyone who even casually watches the Dogs laughed in unison.

A troll thread could not be any clearer.

 

[DogsAreBarking]

Just quietly, leading the Gary Ayres Award by 6 votes after the weekend. So it seems the coaches rate him.

 

[100action]

He's bloody good.
Top ten in the comp.
The real question is who is better out of him and Bont?

Extremely good player but he is not better than Bontempelli.

I often see teams go to the painstaking lengths of strategizing to curtail's Bont's influence using multiple players i.e. deliberatly blocking his space + hard tag + niggles, nullifying formations/structures near his vicinity etc.

This doesn't happen to Macrae - he does cop the hard tag here and there but that is it.

 

[Some Idiot]

Why hasn't he won a B'n'F at his club?

Not that it should be used as knock on a player per se but the way some in here idolise him....one poster has regarded Macrae as a player that will be top 5 players ever at the club.

Curious to see what people genuinely think....

Valid question

Personally I don't really think he will be a top 5 player at the club - he's got a long way to go past the likes of Whitten, Grant, Hawkins, Dempsey, Johnno, West. He also sits behind Bont in terms of current players.

I do however think he has been a bit unlucky not to win a couple of best and fairest awards
He finished second to Libba in 2014.
He finished second in 2018 with 190 votes compared to Hunter's 191 votes - Macrae played two less games than Hunter.

A few other factors of note:
Bontempelli aside he is a more consistent performer across multiple seasons than the recent winners of the b n f.
e.g. Libba, Wood, Daniel, Hunter

He has improved his disposal in the last two seasons - enough to suggest that combined with his consistency he at least has a chance to reach the upper echelon of all time Bulldogs players.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Valid question

Personally I don't really think he will be a top 5 player at the club - he's got a long way to go past the likes of Whitten, Grant, Hawkins, Dempsey, Johnno, West. He also sits behind Bont in terms of current players.

I do however think he has been a bit unlucky not to win a couple of best and fairest awards
He finished second to Libba in 2014.
He finished second in 2018 with 190 votes compared to Hunter's 191 votes - Macrae played two less games than Hunter.

A few other factors of note:
Bontempelli aside he is a more consistent performer across multiple seasons than the recent winners of the b n f.
e.g. Libba, Wood, Daniel, Hunter

He has improved his disposal in the last two seasons - enough to suggest that combined with his consistency he at least has a chance to reach the upper echelon of all time Bulldogs players.

This year for B&F?

 

[Gumby2Hurley]

Best inside outside player in the comp

 

[mcgleereturns]

Why hasn't he won a B'n'F at his club?

Not that it should be used as knock on a player per se but the way some in here idolise him....one poster has regarded Macrae as a player that will be top 5 players ever at the club.

Curious to see what people genuinely think....

Doug Hawkins won a single B & F - and only because of an incredible finals series in 85, while Dunstan won 3 - and Grant only 2 ( one controversially ) and not in his “Brownlow” year while West was collecting them like cans in the outer. Michael Tuck never won at Hawthorn and played in over 400 games and 8 premierships, many as captain.

Just like Whitten, Carey, Matthews never winning a Brownlow while Woewodins and Brian Wilson’s do, great players - and Jack is a great player - don’t always win awards they should. Jack has the added disadvantage of playing with Bont, who no doubt will pick up his 4th Charlie in 6 years. Consistency can also be a curse - being in top 3 every week but rarely being best can play against you.

I’ll admit I lost it when Bont wasn’t named in midfield in AA this year and I blamed Jack ( Oliver and Wines had to be there too ) but Jack did deserve it for his sheer weight of numbers. And he is getting better at using that weight of numbers every year. I see him and Bont as Superman and Batman. Bont is the superstar that does things no one else does and Jack just gets it done with every tool in the kit and is just as effective in delivery the same outcome. He’s still underrated.


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