Is our future bright?

[Bazza Bulldog]

opportunist who drinks the glass.

I hope our club is populated with a lot of opportunists.

Well said ... opportunists drinking might be our lot in 2015.

 

[Hrovat24]

Yes they did....hence my saying it wasn't planned list management, but it could be good despite this

You said I don't disagree with list management removing these players , we had no choice

 

[BRWB]

BRWB Austin keeping Talia/Roberts out of the side doesn't surprise me, what worries me is if they (Talia & Roberts) will be forced to play too soon because the teams that are up the top, allow these KPPs to develop for while in the lower level & if our two guys will be ready physically

there may have been few KPDs this draft and a couple that will be in the next draft, but of course like I said
you don't really want them to play until they are ready

Yes that is a point, but

a- Austin is nearly the worst player I have seen in any AFL team (let alone ours) in the last few years...so how are Talia and Roberts going??

b - if they are ever going to be ready, its 2016 at the latest you'd think. But why not put them in in 2015, surely better to learn while Morris (and probably Roughead) and Murphy are there (and still good enough) to support and teach them????

Remembering that Gunston was drafted about 10 places ahead of Talia and nearly won a Norm Smith in 2013 and was only drafted a year ahead of these guys.

 

[BRWB]

You said I don't disagree with list management removing these players , we had no choice

Okay mate perhaps I should have said 'list management' (as in sarcastic) or list outcome, you okay with that?

 

[Hrovat24]

Okay mate perhaps I should have said 'list management' (as in sarcastic) or list outcome, you okay with that?

Haha yeah ok mate

 

[Dav1d]

Yes good point, but if they are ever going to be ready, its 2016 at the latest you'd think. But why not put them in in 2015, surely better to learn while Morris (and probably Roughead) and Murphy are there (and still good enough) to support and teach them????

Remembering that Gunston was drafted about 10 places behind Talia and nearly won a Norm Smith in 2013 and was only drafted a year ahead of these guys.

Of course there would be exceptions to the rule, but pretty often the KPPs are developed over the long term

if we could draft a potential young gun key defender next season, with Roberts and Talia as our pillars in defense
and Cordy grows (which is very possible) or Hamling surprises a lot of people (including myself)

we may have enough KPD depth for now, but it is a real worry if any of them go down with injury

Lets hope we see plenty of Roberts & Talia in the pre-season games, because I'm hoping that would mean we'd see them be played next year

 

[BRWB]

Of course there would be exceptions to the rule, but pretty often the KPPs are developed over the long term

if we could draft a potential young gun key defender next season, with Roberts and Talia as our pillars in defense
and Cordy grows (which is very possible) or Hamling surprises a lot of people (including myself)

we may have enough KPD depth for now, but it is a real worry if any of them go down with injury

Lets hope we see plenty of Roberts & Talia in the pre-season games, because I'm hoping that would mean we'd see them be played next year

While there are exception,s usually if you are any good, even as a KPD, you are playing regularly in your third season, and you certainly aren't being kept out by Mark Austin.

Darren Glass played 14 games in his first season (but he was P11)
Cale Hooker played 2 games in his first season, and more than 15 games in his next two seasons (P54)

Now that the devastating Mark Austin is not there to keep them out, well there are no excuses any more. More importantly there simply isn't anyone else. One of Talia and Roberts at the least have to step up big time next year. Hopefully they both do. I can't see them not being given the opportunity.

 

[Dav1d]

While there are exception,s usually if you are any good, even as a KPD, you are playing regularly in your third season, and you certainly aren't being kept out by Mark Austin.

Darren Glass played 14 games in his first season (but he was P11)
Cale Hooker played 2 games in his first season, and more than 15 games in his next two seasons (P54)

Now that the devastating Mark Austin is not there to keep them out, well there are no excuses any more. More importantly there simply isn't anyone else. One of Talia and Roberts at the least have to step up big time next year. Hopefully they both do. I can't see them not being given the opportunity.

Yeah, I was shocked that Austin was kept in the side when he kept getting smoked
never have I seen a KPP that went to ground so much

our future is getting brighter with just him been out of the side

 

[Bazza Bulldog]

While there are exception,s usually if you are any good, even as a KPD, you are playing regularly in your third season, and you certainly aren't being kept out by Mark Austin.

Darren Glass played 14 games in his first season (but he was P11)
Cale Hooker played 2 games in his first season, and more than 15 games in his next two seasons (P54)

Now that the devastating Mark Austin is not there to keep them out, well there are no excuses any more. More importantly there simply isn't anyone else. One of Talia and Roberts at the least have to step up big time next year. Hopefully they both do. I can't see them not being given the opportunity.

I actually think that Austin wasn't ahead of them. Talia clearly had some discipline issue with the coaching staff early in the year. Plus I think they were trying to get them to play together in the VFL for an extended period, so that once they come in, they are in together and have a good working relationship. Austin was always going IMO ... he was just coverage (and bad at that) to give them more time.

 

[True Dog]

I'm certain both Roberts & Talia will feature prominently in 2015, you only have to look at our recruiting strategy over the last few weeks for evidence of that.....

I watched the Gold Coast replay from Cairns with the old man yesterday and it was very much a snapshot of what will be.....missing (not playing) was Griff, Coons, Higgins, Gia, Jones, Tutt... The only player in the time that day that has left was Austin....

The future is brighter than some think...

 

[BRWB]

I'm certain both Roberts & Talia will feature prominently in 2015, you only have to look at our recruiting strategy over the last few weeks for evidence of that.....

I watched the Gold Coast replay from Cairns with the old man yesterday and it was very much a snapshot of what will be.....missing (not playing) was Griff, Coons, Higgins, Gia, Jones, Tutt... The only player in the time that day that has left was Austin....

The future is brighter than some think...

Good to see that game. Where do you think we will finish say for the next three years?

 

[stefoid]

I'm always overly optimistic. Grif didn't have his best year but he took the tagged and was still pretty effective. Coons and Higgins were contributors.

I see Goodes being an equivalent replacement for coons in the midfield this season.

Biggs is probably a walk up start and a replacement for Higgins off half back.

jones didn't play most games, but I think an immature Boyd and jones is about on a par also.

So over the offseason we have broke even for next season with the exception of Grif who leaves a hole in the midfield.

The biggest effect will come from playing style. I guess we will look to retain the ball more than bomb down the line. I guess we will roll the dice a bit more and run ahead of the ball. This could help us win more games if we have the foot skills or it could backfire spectacularly as we turn it over out of position time and again.

 

[cleveland]

You guys saying we are bottom 4 next year are nuts

7 wins last year with 7 losses under 12 points with one of the worst match day coaches I've seen pushing a poor gameplan

We will miss Griff but he was poor due to injury for most of the year with Libba copping the hard tag most weeks which will further develop him.

cooney deserved to be dropped quite a few times during the year and needed to come back from his hammy through the vfl.

Higgins was decent

jones played 3 decent games and never played after about round 12

I also heard a rumour after the brisbane game macca was that pissed he said to go out against collingwood and just play.....look what happened lol

we will win up to 10 and will no doubt miss Griff as he is a star but no the other 3

 

[Dav1d]

I also heard a rumour after the brisbane game macca was that pissed he said to go out against collingwood and just play.....look what happened lol

the players were told to criticize where each other what they had done wrong and where they could improve

hadn't heard what you had said

 

[BRWB]

You guys saying we are bottom 4 next year are nuts

7 wins last year with 7 losses under 12 points with one of the worst match day coaches I've seen pushing a poor gameplan

We will miss Griff but he was poor due to injury for most of the year with Libba copping the hard tag most weeks which will further develop him.

cooney deserved to be dropped quite a few times during the year and needed to come back from his hammy through the vfl.

Higgins was decent

jones played 3 decent games and never played after about round 12

I also heard a rumour after the brisbane game macca was that pissed he said to go out against collingwood and just play.....look what happened lol

we will win up to 10 and will no doubt miss Griff as he is a star but no the other 3

Love your optimism.

Do you think our ability to win close games will go up when we lose experience, and have one of the youngest most inexperienced teams in the AFL?

And will we keep winning the four out of seven games we won by 16 points or less (3 by 8 points or less)?

Personally can see GWS going ahead of us this year, they got Griff and Patful, and their youngsters will continue to improve.

So tell me, who is going to be worse than us? I'll give you Saints, Blues and Melbourne (but lineball)?

 

[Dav1d]

So tell me, who is going to be worse than us? I'll give you Saints, Blues and Melbourne (but lineball)?

Big call, but Collingwood

just lost Beams, I think Swan's down year will just continue on down
losing Ball is also huge, their young midfielders have a lot of work to do cover the losses

I think a lot of the young players that GWS have talked up are a little overrated and whilst I don't think they should be underestimated
I'd back our young players in over their young players, well...in the midfield anyway

 

[womble54]

Ridiculous why ? We have to compete ourselves to them as they are the ones we are competing against. If we are to win a flag we have to beat those sides.

no point getting excited unless we can compete against those lists

The reality is we have managed far less "gun" picks than both those clubs since their inception. I would argue the ones we have picked up are mostly better than theirs but our top up guns included Griffen, Cooney, Higgins who were still in their primes. With the hardness and skills they brought at that 26-30 ish age bracket we were right in the mix against those sides. Arguably bringing Boyd in straightens us up and makes us a more stable list but Griff and Cooney in particular shouldn't be underestimated and the team will gravely miss missy's terrific fingerpointing skills.... If we can pick up one or two more A or B graders at the end of this year we will be back in it against them but I think both GWS and GCS have to go past us on the pure volume of high end consession picks they have. I think one of the reasons this board has been struggling for happy thoughts this year (outside of our captain deliberately ripping our guts out) is the fact we can all see we just got much younger (again) and the rebuild almost certainly got longer. Think the club needs to focus on holding us all together this year (the membership base) as the supporter base in general seems flat and that will only get tougher if we don't see a rise in ladder position which is unlikely you would think.

 

[immortalmike]

You said I don't disagree with list management removing these players , we had no choice

We had plenty of choice with Cooney and Higgins. Both were pushed out.

 

[yebiga]

I expect we should be exactly where we were last year
Whilst we lost griffen he was not himself last year but for 3-4 games and we lost them anyway
COONEY on the other hand had some good games when we won
Higgins was often as much of a liability as an asset

But you expect enough improvement in the youth to cover the loss

Thus i will judge the Beveridge era on last years performance
If we go forward and improve then I will accept that BmAc had a defective game plan
If we regress, I shan't be happy and conclude we have again made the wrong turn

From people who know brendan, he regrets he went as hard as he did on a number of players
Particularly he pushed griffen too much that he lost the love for the game.

Last time we had a coach who went too hard was Joyce
And Wallace released the reins, put away the whip and reaped the reward
Every chance Beveridge may be similarly rewarded with a lift in performance.

 

[go you pups]

Dalrymple didn't rate foster at all.

Don't think he's rated any talls since Talia/Roberts

 

[go you pups]

I think our future is reasonably bright. Our KPP's are an issue like always.

I can only really see one of them with the potential to be All Australian quality.

That's the thing Daz, great thought there. When we were challenging under Wallace we only had Grant who was AA material. Under Eade we had Lake and Morris with Bazza later also. Imo if you have AA CHBs and CHFs around you should go all the way.

 

[go you pups]

And also theres a few articles talking about how the rookie list isn't just for undeveloped kids anymore, its for guys who you know are going to train right and can fill in and play if needed, etc.

So seems were not the only incompetent club going around

That should be for clubs that are challenging and need to keep costs down etc pay mature player x bugger all to compete against senior list player y on 3 times what he's on.

 

[_Mike_]

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Last time we had a coach who went too hard was Joyce
And Wallace released the reins, put away the whip and reaped the reward
Every chance Beveridge may be similarly rewarded with a lift in performance.

Prior to this was Wheels who was sacked after 93, and before that the next example was malthouse taking over in 84.

Close, but no cigar. This club needs a dramatic turn around to get to that pinnacle of success.

 

[go you pups]

Yep we have to beat those side in a few years to win a flag.

We are a young list, but I think it's very talented. All clubs have good kids but we have a lot of them. I don't expect a lot next year, hard to imagine anything better than 7 or 8 wins and a bottom 4 place, but I expect us to be able to compete with the expansion clubs in a couple of years.

Our major hurdle back under Eade was Ross Lyon, Eade never beat him post 2008 (not counting the mickey mouse cup) and it proved fatal come finals time (Dogs still haven't beaten a Ross Lyon coached side since). Lets hope teams like Port, GC and GWS for etc don't prove to be a continuing mental hurdle when it comes to crunch time if we do improve over the next 5 years.

 

[BRWB]

I'm always overly optimistic. ...

I see Goodes being an equivalent replacement for coons in the midfield this season.

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Goodes a replacement for Cooney??? Wow

Also given we'll need a long term injury for Goodes the rookie to play, you may well be being unduly pessimistic?