Is Perrie Right?

[- PC -]

Not going to comment on the whole article but was interested in this part...

"I guess my frustration comes from the fact that some people who criticise have never played football, they don't know about team sports, the pressure involved or what it takes to get out there week-in, week-out.

2 things came to mind. How many on here DONT/NEVER played football or a team sport?

Do we then have a right to criticise?

I have played team sports, in football I have helped a side win a flag. Have played cricket and captained sides to finals. I understand Ian has a role to play and feel I have been supportive of his role within the team. I was surprised at his lack of fitness in Round 1 but have not had anything bad to say about him in the remaining rounds.

So is he right?

 

[kimirocks]

Yes he is right. I can proudly say that I have never criticised him on here, frankly because he is my favourite player in the tricolours (by default through no Rowdy). I have sat at AAMI and heard the boos, the taunts and whatnot, and it has disgusted me in the past how we turn on some of our players, whether deserved or not.

Sarge plays a role for our footy club, he is a team man, he is not flashy, he is not highly skilled, but he has a footy brain, and uses it fantastically. He will never be a star, but he does his job week in week out. One day people will realise this, but unfortunately I think that it might be too late by then.

I certainly agree with what he's saying about those who haven't ever played the game before. I'm only 20, but spent all my junior football playing as a KPP, whether it be as a CHB or FF, and as a youngster, playing as a team, whether it be to tag the player or to be zoning an area off is drilled into you more than the skills themselves. Football, you would think by watching it, is a simple game, of kick to a leading player, he'll mark it and kick a goal. But it's so much more than that. The football that my dad used to play is completely different to what is played now. Sarge isn't playing a game of kick to him he will score the goal, he is there to create opportunities for himself, his teammates, and basically be a nuisance to the opposition.

I won't criticise him until his work ethic drops, and he loses sight of the goal. He is a fantastic team man, and he does his job so much better than what people give him credit for. Onya Sarge.

 

[maccas_no1]

No I dont think he is right, I think we have rights as supporters/members of the AFC to pass judgement on any player on the list as we do here on BF.

Perrie needs to perhaps take the criticism onboard, and use it to work on his onfeild performance.

Lets be honest here and Perrie needs to also be honest with himself............he has been playing at AFL level for quite sometime..........yet he is far too inconsistant............we have all seen how good he can play..........but more often than not his performance onfeild is way below what you would expect from a player who has been playing as long as he has.

On his current performance's would he honestly be getting a game if we didnt have the injuries that we have???

 

[kimirocks]

Macca, you're seeing it from the fanciful POV that his job is to play a leading, pack crushing CHF ala Carey and Jono Brown. We all know (or should know) that he is playing an absorbing role to make it easier on his teammates.

And on the point of being inconsistant, this season, all bar the first game, he has been very consistant in his performances. Remember, we have Kenny McGregor waiting in the wings, as well as Nick Gill ready to play. If Perrie was playing as terribly as you make him out to be, Kenny Mac would be slotting in forward of centre. And really, until Jimmy Sellar is ready, Perrie will be our No.1 CHF, so get behind the bloke, he might actually surprise you, but you might have to take off those awful fluorescent black, anti-all-things-Perrie sunglasses.

 

[Allefgib]

No I dont think he is right, I think we have rights as supporters/members of the AFC to pass judgement on any player on the list as we do here on BF.

Perrie needs to perhaps take the criticism onboard, and use it to work on his onfeild performance.

Lets be honest here and Perrie needs to also be honest with himself............he has been playing at AFL level for quite sometime..........yet he is far too inconsistant............we have all seen how good he can play..........but more often than not his performance onfeild is way below what you would expect from a player who has been playing as long as he has.

On his current performance's would he honestly be getting a game if we didnt have the injuries that we have???

And just out of curiosity is he right in his suspicion?

i.e. Have you played a decent level of team sports?

Totally respect your right to an opinion but I find his point quite fascinating and would really appreciate if people who respond to this thread actually state their sporting background to accompany their opinion to see how it stacks up as a wider 'average'.

EDIT: To not be a hypocrite! I played in the Barossa Light Football league as a youngster but was never very talented so come university grade I moved to playing more social basketball. Used to coach underage basketball for a bit as well (a young Sam Butler actually). I have a huge respect for Perrie and the role he plays for our side. I do get a touch frustrated at times with he is in great positions for marks and just wish he would hold a few more. But... my hands were never that great myself and I have a great appreciation for his gut busting runs to position and the bullocking work he performs. Having a bigger guy around to absorb the physical pressure makes a HUGE difference to ones team mates.

 

[relapse]

Like every player Perrie has faults, unfortunately his faults are the things that people notice most ie strong marks and kicking for goal, what people dont see is some of the great things he does, do we ever see Perrie get outmarked ??? could you ever question Perrie's commitment when he is out there on the field ???

Noone is saying that Perrie is a AAA player, but he does continue to play his guts out week after week and I would say I dont remember the last time that Perrie was outmarked by his opponent and he always creates a contest everytime the ball is sent his way, the problem is that we dont have that crumbling forward at the moment to make use of the opportunities that Perrie creates.

I honestly think that if Perrie had a decent kick on his he would be as good as Matthew Robran was, but unfortunately Perrie has one of the worst kicking styles I have ever seen.

Player Totals
Player Mat Ki Ha Di Avg Ma Avg HO Avg Go Avg Be acc
Perrie 110 821 404 1225 11.1 567 5.2 54 0.5 140 1.1 101 55%
Robran 130 944 672 1616 12.4 578 4.4 442 3.4 173 0.8 73 70%

There is the tale of the tape, I know that Robran spent time in the ruck as well as at CHF so that will have hurt his stats a litle bit, but to be honest I am surprised that Perrie has better numbers than Robran. So there you have it. The one interesting stats was Robran's 70% accuracy in front of goal was amazing, I do always remember thinking that when Robran marked inside the 50 you could pretty much write it down as a goal.

 

[Damp Squarie]

I honestly think that if Perrie had a decent kick on his he would be as good as Matthew Robran was, but unfortunately Perrie has one of the worst kicking styles I have ever seen.

Whos got the biggest heart though ? = Perrie.
Robran is over rated.

 

[kimirocks]

Whos got the biggest heart though ? = Perrie.
Robran is over rated.

Sarge has probably got the bigger heart, but don't be so harsh on Robran, he loves the club, and never gave up, even when he had injuries. He's almost our best CHF over our club's life, probably pipped by Stevo (Kluggy was great but wasn't around for long enough )

 

[- PC -]

No I dont think he is right, I think we have rights as supporters/members of the AFC to pass judgement on any player on the list as we do here on BF.

Perrie needs to perhaps take the criticism onboard, and use it to work on his onfeild performance.

I do agree with these 2 paragraphs. The only rider to the 1st para would be " as long as those judgements are from a knowledge of the game and not frustration''

Lets be honest here and Perrie needs to also be honest with himself............he has been playing at AFL level for quite sometime..........yet he is far too inconsistant............we have all seen how good he can play..........but more often than not his performance onfeild is way below what you would expect from a player who has been playing as long as he has.

Isnt this statement paradoxical? ''he has been playing AFL for a long time'' ---- ''his performance onfeild is way below what you would expect from a player who has been playing as long as he has''

That suggests that others dont see his performances as ''inconsistent''

On his current performance's would he honestly be getting a game if we didnt have the injuries that we have???

I believe he would

 

[Wood_Duck]

FFS this is a discussion forum for AFC supporters. To be honest who gives a flying phukk what is said on big footy.

I played football for over 20 years, does that give me more right to discuss a players performance than any other person on these boards? No I dont think so. If my mum wants to post a thread about Ian Perrie on big footy she would be very welcome.

Does anyone here actually have any influence within the AFC? No. Do you need to be a politician to critisize the government? No. Do you need to be a plumber to spot a busted water main? No

Just play football Pez.

 

[macca23]

I think that all of us at one tiime or another have had a lash at poor Pez in varying degrees, ranging from those of us for individual games to others who just blast the poor bugger for existing.

The relevant thing is that those who criticize Perrie the most DON'T have any idea as to what Perrie's role is in the overall forward structure. Neil Craig would be well aware of Perrie's strengths and weaknesses and will have set his role around those.

Is he a Jonathon Brown?? Not in a million light years!!

Is he a 100% honest bust his guts contributor to the team?? Fkg oath he is!!

Overall, Perrie is an honest workhorse who plays his role and adds something to the team game, something that Luke Jericho should be conscious of if he wants to stay on our list at year end.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

YES he is!

He openly admitted his weaknesses, such as goalkicking (which is not as bad as portrayed IMO), BUT he has also rightly pointed out the many positives that are not valued highly enough.

Even if every player on our list was fit, Ian Perrie was/is always the best choice for CHF in 2007. (Bock unproven and likely no better out at CHF this year IMO...keep him at CHB or FP, McGregor not mobile enough, Hentschel not strong enough and better on FF line, youngsters not ready).

This may seem a ridiculous call to some but IMO, Perrie is in the top 5 most important players in our team in 2007 (not best 5, but most important 5). His role and the way he has performed this year has been a major factor in getting us to 5:3.


BTW, i reckon with the imminent return of Ricciuto next week (and the full recovery of Burton in coming weeks), our forward line will be good enough to beat anyone, assuming enough forward entries. Of course, this requires the Sarge directing the show from CHF

HF: Burton, PERRIE, Welsh
F: Stevens, Ricciuto, Johncock/rotating mid

Apart from Hentschel/?Bode we only missing 2 out of our best 22 this week i reckon (Roo, Burton)

 

[-VC-]

The very point that some people are missing here is that everyone DOES have the right as a Crows supporter to pass judgement and be critical - no one is denying that. But when it comes to the criticism that Perrie gets those people that haven't played team sport might not necessarily know what the **** they're talking about. They can say what they like, but there's a greater likelihood that they simply don't understand what the Sarge is supposed to be doing out there.

I have always had a great appreciation for Perrie because he does bust his nut out there every week. I was at Bells Hotel (where Crows fans in Melbourne gather to watch games) for the game vs. Brisbane and there were these typical clown bagging Perrie every single time he was on the camera, even if he was just in the background. Not a peep from them when Perrie brought a ball to ground in a 1 on 2 where he arrived late and Thommo crumbed to kick a goal on the run. Me and the bloke I was with were letting those clowns know about it though. THAT is what Perrie does best and it is very underappreciated pretty much exclusively by people who automatically think anything he does is crap.

If it's supposed to give me a higher level of thinking, I've never played footy but I've played inline hockey at national level at five National Championships, was a handy baseball player until I gave that up and have recently embarked on a futsal career. There ya go Sarge, I understand team sport.

 

[marvin]

Not going to comment on the whole article but was interested in this part...

Not going to comment on the whole article, either, but I'm going to comment on the photo.

PUT SOME DAMN SAFETY GLASSES ON, SARGE!

Do we then have a right to criticise?

We've got a right to criticise; Pez has a right to either take notice of the criticism or not, depending on if he respects the source of the criticism.

 

[Captain Kouta]

"I guess my frustration comes from the fact that some people who criticise have never played football, they don't know about team sports, the pressure involved or what it takes to get out there week-in, week-out."

Ian, you earn roughly five times the average wage, maybe more. You make that money because the rest of us plough our hard earned dosh into the game, be it by attending matches, pay-TV, merchandise and the rest.

That entitles us to an opinion, as is the norm in the western world.

 

[kimirocks]

Ian, you earn roughly five times the average wage, maybe more. You make that money because the rest of us plough our hard earned dosh into the game, be it by attending matches, pay-TV, merchandise and the rest.

That entitles us to an opinion, as is the norm in the western world.

I think they call that cash for comments

 

[-VC-]

"I guess my frustration comes from the fact that some people who criticise have never played football, they don't know about team sports, the pressure involved or what it takes to get out there week-in, week-out."

Ian, you earn roughly five times the average wage, maybe more. You make that money because the rest of us plough our hard earned dosh into the game, be it by attending matches, pay-TV, merchandise and the rest.

That entitles us to an opinion, as is the norm in the western world.

ARGH! That's my point! He doesn't say people aren't ENTITLED to these opinions. He's just inferring there's a higher likelihood these people are coming from an uninformed position. And they are.

 

[Dandy_GO]

Sarge is an absolute gun, and before VB mania swept the nation, was probably my favourite Crow, along with Huddo.

The scum who sit behind me get stuck into him every ****ing chance they get - even when he's playing a blinder, and it goes a long way to spoiling my day. My old man actually got stuck into them about it on a couple of occassions. We both get absolutely sick to death of all those idiots who know **** all about the game criticising Perrie even after he does something good, like bring a ball to ground when he's against 3 opponents in a marking contest.

If I was Perrie I probably would have pissed off home to Perth long ago with the disgraceful way our crowd treat him.

 

[BK Eaglesfan]

I can see his point, but the uninformed amongst us don't save our criticism for Ian Perrie. We've ALL heard supporters of our own clubs and others making outrageous comments. My favourite from the Eagles is fans yelling at Wirrpanda to man up and compalining that he never does every time someone kicks a goal on him. Anyone who has watched more than 2 Eagles games knows Wirrpanda is used in a certain way, and occassionally opposition coaches isolate him and take advantage.

Similarly the educated supporters love Daniel Chick and Tyson Stenglein (sorry to bring him up ) at our club. We all know they aren't Judd or Kerr, but admire the way they go about things and understand what their role is. Of course after last year's GF Chick now has a very high profile example of what he's all about.

IF, Perrie is doing what is asked of him by Craig and the team, he'd be better served just getting on with it and accepting the respect of those who DO understand his role, rather than commenting on his concerns about comments from those that don't. Narrowing it down to who has played and who hasn't is a little off the mark...I smashed my hip in a traffic accident as a 15y.o and was told no contact sports ever again. Does that mean I understand any less about the game than someone who plays?

Sorry to post on your board, hope you don't mind....did find it an interesting topic.

 

[Captain Kouta]

ARGH! That's my point! He doesn't say people aren't ENTITLED to these opinions. He's just inferring there's a higher likelihood these people are coming from an uninformed position. And they are.

Define uninformed! These people are the lifeblood of the game. They undoubtedly watch more football than Ian Perrie. And while they may not be drilled in the subtleties of Adelaide's play book, they know a clanger when they see one.

I'm not having a go specifically at Perrie but players who rant and rave about people who haven't played the game at a certain level not being worthy of comment are kidding themselves.

Sure, there's always going to be ill-informed opinion on anything but to limit comment to "those who have played the game" would turn the sport into an incestuous body devoid of growth or fresh ideas.

Why do you think AFL has borrowed so much from other sports in the last decade?

Is Ric Charlesworth's input deemed superfluous because he never played the game?

 

[maccas_no1]

And just out of curiosity is he right in his suspicion?

Yes for sure he is right that he gets criticised...............but it isnt unwarranted criticism

i.e. Have you played a decent level of team sports?

Soccer, Hockey, Basketball, Cricket, Football I have played over my existence.

I will also throw in swimming also because relays are a team part of it if someone in the relay team has a slow start, jumps in the pool before the other swimmer has touched the wall you get disqualified or slow the team down then it effects your overall result.

 

[-VC-]

Define uninformed! These people are the lifeblood of the game. They undoubtedly watch more football than Ian Perrie. And while they may not be drilled in the subtleties of Adelaide's play book, they know a clanger when they see one.

I'm not having a go specifically at Perrie but players who rant and rave about people who haven't played the game at a certain level not being worthy of comment are kidding themselves.

Sure, there's always going to be ill-informed opinion on anything but to limit comment to "those who have played the game" would turn the sport into an incestuous body devoid of growth or fresh ideas.

Why do you think AFL has borrowed so much from other sports in the last decade?

Is Ric Charlesworth's input deemed superfluous because he never played the game?

You can't say that fans watch more footy than Perrie or any footy player. With video analysis and the like, I'd be more willing to bet it was the other way than anything.

We all get frustrated at Perrie clangers and he does commit more than his fair share. Those criticisms are warranted and it doesn't take anyone special to notice that he should've held that chest mark, but that's not what I'm talking about. People questioning his value on the team based entirely on his clangers is the problem. A lot of people don't see past the skill errors. With Perrie you have to take the bad with the good, but his good goes unnoticed by many.

I'm certainly not saying that all people who think Perrie shouldn't be in our side don't know what they're talking about. There is a legitimate case for Perrie not being in the team. Personally, I value his work rate and ability to act as a foil. Besides, his skills aren't always that bad.

I also never said that people who haven't played the game can't have valid opinions. I just said that there's a higher likelihood that they'd be uninformed. I've never played footy, let alone at a high level and I like to think I have an above average understanding of the game (noting that the average understanding of the game is quite low). But understanding team sports in general does go a long way towards understanding the role that Perrie plays in our forward line structure - some people just happen to understand that from first hand experience in team sport.

 

[Wood_Duck]

You can't say that fans watch more footy than Perrie or any footy player. With video analysis and the like, I'd be more willing to bet it was the other way than anything.

We all get frustrated at Perrie clangers and he does commit more than his fair share. Those criticisms are warranted and it doesn't take anyone special to notice that he should've held that chest mark, but that's not what I'm talking about. People questioning his value on the team based entirely on his clangers is the problem. A lot of people don't see past the skill errors. With Perrie you have to take the bad with the good, but his good goes unnoticed by many.

I'm certainly not saying that all people who think Perrie shouldn't be in our side don't know what they're talking about. There is a legitimate case for Perrie not being in the team. Personally, I value his work rate and ability to act as a foil. Besides, his skills aren't always that bad.

I also never said that people who haven't played the game can't have valid opinions. I just said that there's a higher likelihood that they'd be uninformed. I've never played footy, let alone at a high level and I like to think I have an above average understanding of the game (noting that the average understanding of the game is quite low). But understanding team sports in general does go a long way towards understanding the role that Perrie plays in our forward line structure - some people just happen to understand that from first hand experience in team sport.

Good post VC.

 

[jenny61_99]

I think this is something that annoys Neil Craig too. HE knows what he wants and expects of each player. We DO NOT. I would say it's a fair bet that if Perrie was constantly not doing what was expected of him, he would not be in the squad every week.

I get very disappointed at people who only focus (and publicly decree on game day) on the negatives of certain players (Perrie and Jericho come to mind) but completely overlook the many more (I believe) positives that these players contribute to our Club.

I have never played AFL. I am, however, a fanatic and probably watch much more footy than most other women (and men) that I know. I believe I have a reasonable understanding of the game but would never proclaim to understand the machinations of the coaching team. They have expectations of each of their players. They do not outline those expectations to us. I have played representative and competitive sport so I understand that those that watch are not necessarily fully informed about strategies and expectations.

Our role as supporters is to SUPPORT. Not to knock, or cut down OUR players at every available opportunity surely!

 

[cro_Magnum]

Some of the criticism on this board is over the top, usually just after he misses a vital goal from 1 metre out, but most recognise his role in the team and his off the ball work for what it is. And he doesn't have to read stuff on an internet site and probably doesn't.

What is really disgraceful though is the boos and catcalls he gets from the crowd. He can't get away from that and I cringe when I hear it so you can just imagine how he feels.