Is this our deep-seated issue!?

[Unknown Identity]

Is our borderline incestuous mindset of having a CEO/President/Coach all the way down to the boot studder be a former player, the staunchest of Pies supporters or at least live in the suburb of Collingwood part of what is wrong with our club!?

It's extremely hard to see the bigger picture or even be rational in difficult times especially for fans but surely there must be times where passion for the guernsey is a detriment to progression or decision making at a high level within our organisation.

Is it time for a clean out?
Fresh set of eyes and ideas that doesn't have black and white running through their veins!?

Our last 2 premiership coaches were from other clubs with no connection to us.

Discuss.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

It's definitely one of our issues, which is part of why Eddie needs to go.

Not only is he seemingly obsessed with only having "Collingwood people" he doesn't even keep the right ones.

Alan Richardson is at St.Kilda
Damian Monkhorst is at Hawthorn
Graeme Wright is at Hawthorn

 

[doodles98]

It's time to bring out the big broom and implement a strict "best person available for the job recruiting policy".

 

[manicmagpie]

I think spelling is one of the 'deep seeded' issues around here...

But yes, should always be the best person for the job, not best Collingwood person. Although throwing in the president is a bit rich. How many clubs have a President with no affiliation to them?

 

[Unknown Identity]

I think spelling is one of the 'deep seeded' issues around here...

But yes, should always be the best person for the job, not best Collingwood person. Although throwing in the president is a bit rich. How many clubs have a President with no affiliation to them?

Wow that's embarrassing.
Funny how the brain works off little sleep.

If any mods can please change the title to deep seated it would be much appreciated.

In regards to the president he pushes the "Collingwood bloodline" recruitment.

 

[Smoky]

Now no.

Something is wrong ATM no doubt. But after our NAB cup form and recruiting drive that has helped implement a new game plan and structural changes to the side - it must be given time to settle and improve.

If we have gone backwards from last year by the end of this year then definitely Yes.

 

[vjknight]

ahhh the 1970's. how i miss thee.

 

[Matt_352]

Yes whole broom should go through

 

[Saintly Viewed]

It's definitely one of our issues, which is part of why Eddie needs to go.

Not only is he seemingly obsessed with only having "Collingwood people" he doesn't even keep the right ones.

Alan Richardson is at St.Kilda
Damian Monkhorst is at Hawthorn
Graeme Wright is at Hawthorn

I suspect if we had those three in roles at the club
The argument of Collingwood obsession would be even stronger.
It's interesting that you cherry pick which Collingwood people can be in which role to suit your argument. Though this is your right. Just seems a bit like cherry picking.

Though I think we do need more "outsiders" in general, this is not the real cause of the malaise.
That sounds too simplistic.
Simply getting terrific people in roles should be the ongoing modus operandi (which it may be)
Do we need to overhaul the fitness people? Maybe? Might be bad luck, might just be ready for a change.
It's an interesting argument.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Yes whole broom should go through

Tim?

 

[Matt_352]

Tim?

Lol

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I suspect if we had those three in roles at the club
The argument of Collingwood obsession would be even stronger.
It's interesting that you cherry pick which Collingwood people can be in which role to suit your argument. Though this is your right. Just seems a bit like cherry picking.

Though I think we do need more "outsiders" in general, this is not the real cause of the malaise.
That sounds too simplistic.
Simply getting terrific people in roles should be the ongoing modus operandi (which it may be)
Do we need to overhaul the fitness people? Maybe? Might be bad luck, might just be ready for a change.
It's an interesting argument.

I didn't necessarily cherry pick though.

We don't have a ruck coach and Monkhorst is CLEARLY a good ruck coach given what he does with "non-best in class" rucks at Hawthorn. Graeme
Wright's work speaks for itself no?

Alan Richardson had paid his dues, been an assistant for many years (even in 2009) and had done apprenticeships at a few clubs in different roles (inclusing Collingwood). He's now at St.Kilda and you can see a transformation happening.

Why didn't we consider Alan to replace Mick? Alan had even BEEN an assistant under Mick.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Lol

Sometimes a laugh is good
It's been a tough few football weeks

 

[wicksy]

I think spelling is one of the 'deep seeded' issues around here...

But yes, should always be the best person for the job, not best Collingwood person. Although throwing in the president is a bit rich. How many clubs have a President with no affiliation to them?

Wow... that's embarrassing.... for you!

Deep-Seeded almost makes sense in a metaphorical way (though seeds sown too deeply won’t grow), but deep-seated is the term you’re looking for. The phrasal adjective (usually requiring a hyphen) simply indicates that something is seated (in the sense fixed firmly in place) deeply in something else.

http://grammarist.com/usage/deep-seeded-deep-seated/
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deep–seated
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...-deepseated-20110713_1_fount-ignorance-wisdom


EDIT: The mods changing of the title makes you look particularly silly even though you picked up on what must have been the original spelling of "deep seeded". My bad.

 

[vjknight]

Why didn't we consider Alan to replace Mick? Alan had even BEEN an assistant under Mick.

cos bucks was sexier (membership $$)

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I didn't necessarily cherry pick though.

We don't have a ruck coach and Monkhorst is CLEARLY a good ruck coach given what he does with "non-best in class" rucks at Hawthorn. Graeme
Wright's work speaks for itself no?

Alan Richardson had paid his dues, been an assistant for many years (even in 2009) and had done apprenticeships at a few clubs in different roles (inclusing Collingwood). He's now at St.Kilda and you can see a transformation happening.

Why didn't we consider Alan to replace Mick? Alan had even BEEN an assistant under Mick.

Totally agree re Monkhorst.
Has me puzzled why no ruck coach?
Serious question who is in charge of rucking?
And we have three nice types? Who is developing them?
Damien seems as good as anyone.
Graeme Wright, as a bonus is a Springsteen fan (so we know he has taste) but is known as a star in the field. But you always get extra points when you are with a flag winning team. But nobody would complain if he lobbed at our club.
Alan Richardson, unsure he is the answer. No doubt capable but you can say that about most coaches in truth. But that's a whole other discussion.

My main point is, I'm more about getting the best we can, and whether a former Magpie or not, that's neither here nor there to me.

I'd like to see an experienced tactical head in the box instead of Harvey. I'm just not sold on Harvey, I can't put my finger on it but he has been bugging me now for a while.
Anyway that's my two cents worth.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

I didn't necessarily cherry pick though.

We don't have a ruck coach and Monkhorst is CLEARLY a good ruck coach given what he does with "non-best in class" rucks at Hawthorn. Graeme
Wright's work speaks for itself no?

Alan Richardson had paid his dues, been an assistant for many years (even in 2009) and had done apprenticeships at a few clubs in different roles (inclusing Collingwood). He's now at St.Kilda and you can see a transformation happening.

Why didn't we consider Alan to replace Mick? Alan had even BEEN an assistant under Mick.

Hindsight

 

[Jasper84]

Based purely on the threads started in the last couple of weeks, I think I have worked out what our issue is:

Buckley can't coach
We have no game plan
Our defenders are poorly skilled
We haven't sacked Buckley
We can't do kickouts
There is no belief
We only hire ex players
We need to bring back ex players
Pendles is not a good captian
We are not the Bulldogs
The supporters expect too much
Hine drafted poorly
We have no leadership
Jarrod Blair
We have a drug culture
We use a defensive zone
Our midfield setup is wrong
We have slow ball movement
We have slow players
Daveron
We don't have a ruck coach
We don't support Buckley enough
We support Buckley too much
We traded poorly
We can't develop players
It's Robbo's fault

 

[Unknown Identity]

Based purely on the threads started in the last couple of weeks, I think I have worked out what our issue is:

Buckley can't coach
We have no game plan
Our defenders are poorly skilled
We haven't sacked Buckley
We can't do kickouts
There is no belief
We only hire ex players
We need to bring back ex players
Pendles is not a good captian
We are not the Bulldogs
The supporters expect too much
Hine drafted poorly
We have no leadership
Jarrod Blair
We have a drug culture
We use a defensive zone
Our midfield setup is wrong
We have slow ball movement
We have slow players
Daveron
We don't have a ruck coach
We don't support Buckley enough
We support Buckley too much
We traded poorly
We can't develop players
It's Robbo's fault

I'd suggest a thread is stickied labelled Collingwood Issues and they can be added too!.

Your list Needs more Jesse White!

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Based purely on the threads started in the last couple of weeks, I think I have worked out what our issue is:

Buckley can't coach
We have no game plan
Our defenders are poorly skilled
We haven't sacked Buckley
We can't do kickouts
There is no belief
We only hire ex players
We need to bring back ex players
Pendles is not a good captian
We are not the Bulldogs
The supporters expect too much
Hine drafted poorly
We have no leadership
Jarrod Blair
We have a drug culture
We use a defensive zone
Our midfield setup is wrong
We have slow ball movement
We have slow players
Daveron
We don't have a ruck coach
We don't support Buckley enough
We support Buckley too much
We traded poorly
We can't develop players
It's Robbo's fault

To sum up the sum up
Raejkavik's law:
Everything comes back to being about Buckley.
RIP Raejkavik

 

[Gambit78]

Based purely on the threads started in the last couple of weeks, I think I have worked out what our issue is:

Buckley can't coach
We have no game plan
Our defenders are poorly skilled
We haven't sacked Buckley
We can't do kickouts
There is no belief
We only hire ex players
We need to bring back ex players
Pendles is not a good captian
We are not the Bulldogs
The supporters expect too much
Hine drafted poorly
We have no leadership
Jarrod Blair
We have a drug culture
We use a defensive zone
Our midfield setup is wrong
We have slow ball movement
We have slow players
Daveron
We don't have a ruck coach
We don't support Buckley enough
We support Buckley too much
We traded poorly
We can't develop players
It's Robbo's fault

When you put it like that, our problems are an easy fix...

 

[cakewalk06]

Based purely on the threads started in the last couple of weeks, I think I have worked out what our issue is:

Buckley can't coach
We have no game plan
Our defenders are poorly skilled
We haven't sacked Buckley
We can't do kickouts
There is no belief
We only hire ex players
We need to bring back ex players
Pendles is not a good captian
We are not the Bulldogs
The supporters expect too much
Hine drafted poorly
We have no leadership
Jarrod Blair
We have a drug culture
We use a defensive zone
Our midfield setup is wrong
We have slow ball movement
We have slow players
Daveron
We don't have a ruck coach
We don't support Buckley enough
We support Buckley too much
We traded poorly
We can't develop players
It's Robbo's fault

You're spot on

 

[Scodog10]

Based purely on the threads started in the last couple of weeks, I think I have worked out what our issue is:

Buckley can't coach
We have no game plan
Our defenders are poorly skilled
We haven't sacked Buckley
We can't do kickouts
There is no belief
We only hire ex players
We need to bring back ex players
Pendles is not a good captian
We are not the Bulldogs
The supporters expect too much
Hine drafted poorly
We have no leadership
Jarrod Blair
We have a drug culture
We use a defensive zone
Our midfield setup is wrong
We have slow ball movement
We have slow players
Daveron
We don't have a ruck coach
We don't support Buckley enough
We support Buckley too much
We traded poorly
We can't develop players
It's Robbo's fault

To quote TD "so what you're saying is we should just shut the doors??".

The scary thing is I'm having a hard time disagreeing with that list

 

[NT.Thunder]

FWIW I'm staying away from any issues related to grammar or spelling, have my own issues which the spelliban continually terrorise me with...............Suffer in your jocks!

 

[No SPIN]

It's time to bring out the big broom and implement a strict "best person available for the job recruiting policy".

Sadly the Football department TAX. will stop us getting the best available for every job - we cant afford them all