Is this our deep-seated issue!?

[No SPIN]

We are in massive massive trouble for a while.

You've been trolling for years - this is just par for the course.

 

[doodles98]

You've been trolling for years - this is just par for the course.

and here you are trolling him back. Wot you think we're not in massive trouble at the moment??

 

[ppoiter]

Ed made a promise to Buckley when he was at Brisbane that if he comes to the pies he promises he will lift the cup as a premiership player. that time has come and gone but the promise remains. now Ed has given bucks the reins as head coach via a fast tracked apprenticeship and allowed him to have the players he wants and all the support staff have been hand picked by Bucks. now while i love how Ed has tried to keep his word it has been to the detriment of OUR club. it was worth giving bucks a go but like the rest of his fellow Brownlow medal mates (Voss and Hird) it hasnt worked. All of them where rushed through their apprenticeships and that turned out to be a complete failure for the other two and it simply hasnt worked for us. i love Bucks and always will but if we dont play finals this year he needs to be moved on. get someone in who is the best candidate for the job that has served a long apprenticeship and who hopefully has senior experience. who that is i dont know. but what i do know is that Bucks should never have got Robert Harvey on his coaching team. he would have to be the most boring bas*&%# ever plus the c*&^ is cursed. he was never destined to win a flag and sadly maybe bucks is too.

How was Ed in a position to make a promise like that 5 years before he was directly involved with the club?

 

[No SPIN]

and here you are trolling him back. Wot you think we're not in massive trouble at the moment??

My point is TG is the head of the 'chicken little brigade' - the sky is always falling.

If i believed we were going to win the flag, then and only then would I believe we are in massive trouble.
But I never expected to win the flag so no we are not in massive trouble.

 

[THATSGOLD]

At the end of the day it's a simple question 76

Do you believe Tarks Rocca and Bucks are the best possible people for their roles we can get?

Everyone is crapping on about Burns like they did when Bucks was going to take over. It's like lessons haven't been learnt.

 

[THATSGOLD]

My point is TG is the head of the 'chicken little brigade' - the sky is always falling.

Well it's not exactly rising is it?

 

[domin8tors]

I think spelling is one of the 'deep seeded' issues around here...

But yes, should always be the best person for the job, not best Collingwood person. Although throwing in the president is a bit rich. How many clubs have a President with no affiliation to them?

Agreed re: president. . President is a volunteer role. and therefore given the time it consumes you have to be passionate about what you are doing. hence more often then not it is a supporter of the club.

 

[domin8tors]

Based purely on the threads started in the last couple of weeks, I think I have worked out what our issue is:

Buckley can't coach
We have no game plan
Our defenders are poorly skilled
We haven't sacked Buckley
We can't do kickouts
There is no belief
We only hire ex players
We need to bring back ex players
Pendles is not a good captian
We are not the Bulldogs
The supporters expect too much
Hine drafted poorly
We have no leadership
Jarrod Blair
We have a drug culture
We use a defensive zone
Our midfield setup is wrong
We have slow ball movement
We have slow players
Daveron
We don't have a ruck coach
We don't support Buckley enough
We support Buckley too much
We traded poorly
We can't develop players
It's Robbo's fault

And this here is exactly our problem everyone has an opinion including the club. we trained all pre-season. " sharanberg aside " and that included Swan / Elliott / Varcoe / Reid / Broomhead / Ramsay all 6 of our better ball users. and they have played a combined.. " I'm not counting swans 15 seconds " 5 games. you put those 6 in and take 6 of our worst ball users out. and it's probably close to a 60-80 point score turnaround. we most likely win Melbourne and st.Kilda game. sitting 3-1 and not having this conversation.

 

[Jasper84]

And this here is exactly our problem everyone has an opinion including the club. we trained all pre-season. " sharanberg aside " and that included Swan / Elliott / Varcoe / Reid / Broomhead / Ramsay all 6 of our better ball users. and they have played a combined.. " I'm not counting swans 15 seconds " 5 games. you put those 6 in and take 6 of our worst ball users out. and it's probably close to a 60-80 point score turnaround. we most likely win Melbourne and st.Kilda game. sitting 3-1 and not having this conversation.

Good point. The best way to rectify the issue would probably be to start an opinion thread that the club's biggest problem is there are too many opinion threads.

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

I look forward to the day when Maxy returns to the club. I dont know in what capacity, but not as a coach. He's on record as saying he's not interested in coaching, and we wouldn't want him chewed up and spat out, which is the coaches' destiny.

Its too soon, and he needs a longish period away from the club in order to continue to develop and gain some separation from the current regime. He could even be the instigator of a new regime. With his smarts, integrity, leadership, it wouldn't be a typical jobs for the boys appointment. We miss him badly.

Then again, maybe I have him on a pedestal, as the next saviour of our club.

Wouldn't be a bad Director of Football Department. I think he and Balmey have a similar thread in their hands-on, no-nonsense approach.

 

[doodles98]

Oooh I know!!.. in my opinion it's just so annoying when people post their opinions on the Bigfooty football discussion forums. Surely we can have discussions without people having opinions! Everyone's like look at me aren't I clever I've got an opinion and I'm such an arrogant Narcissist here I am shoving it down all your Bigfooty readers throats. This board would be so much better if everyone just said "I know nuffink".

 

[Gone Critical]

Ed made a promise to Buckley when he was at Brisbane that if he comes to the pies he promises he will lift the cup as a premiership player. that time has come and gone but the promise remains. now Ed has given bucks the reins as head coach via a fast tracked apprenticeship and allowed him to have the players he wants and all the support staff have been hand picked by Bucks. now while i love how Ed has tried to keep his word it has been to the detriment of OUR club. it was worth giving bucks a go but like the rest of his fellow Brownlow medal mates (Voss and Hird) it hasnt worked. All of them where rushed through their apprenticeships and that turned out to be a complete failure for the other two and it simply hasnt worked for us. i love Bucks and always will but if we dont play finals this year he needs to be moved on. get someone in who is the best candidate for the job that has served a long apprenticeship and who hopefully has senior experience. who that is i dont know. but what i do know is that Bucks should never have got Robert Harvey on his coaching team. he would have to be the most boring bas*&%# ever plus the c*&^ is cursed. he was never destined to win a flag and sadly maybe bucks is too.

So Ed made that promise about the time he was transferring from Ch10 to Ch9 as a sports reporter? Prior to the footy show existing? Ed was getting ahead of himself.

 

[domin8tors]

Good point. The best way to rectify the issue would probably be to start an opinion thread that the club's biggest problem is there are too many opinion threads.

ahha perhaps a suggestion box outside the Westpac centre

 

[Gone Critical]

Where is our soul? Is Gary Pert the devil incarnate? I don't really have much idea about the man, but somewhere in our corporate and financial expansion, the sponsors queuing up to sponsor us, and our newly renovated palatial headquarters, we have lost something really vital.

I am a supporter of most of what Ed and Pert have done, on the basis that it would make us a better club and team, and WIN FLAGS. But I just feel so empty and disappointed, after so many false starts of the last few years. I think I want to go away and hide and ponder on this 'soul' thing.

Don't think this is a Collingwood thing. The world, sport in general and the AFL got corporatised. As that happened roles for the every day supporter i the club dried up and access became limited.

We were all told we wanted big comfortable stadiums, no one wanted to stand in the weather, that 70000 at the MCG was infinitely better than 22300 at Vic Park.

We had to lose "soul". I miss it too.

 

[MLG23]

How was Ed in a position to make a promise like that 5 years before he was directly involved with the club?

Times dates facts theyre all irrelevant. The moral of story is its Robert Harvey's fault

 

[playhim]

Oooh I know!!.. in my opinion it's just so annoying when people post their opinions on the Bigfooty football discussion forums. Surely we can have discussions without people having opinions! Everyone's like look at me aren't I clever I've got an opinion and I'm such an arrogant Narcissist here I am shoving it down all your Bigfooty readers throats. This board would be so much better if everyone just said "I know nuffink".

200,000 years ago we were standing on the plains plotting our strategy for the passing herd, and when we came home to the cave that night without a kill the rumblings began. The Alpha males game plan wasn't working and he didn't seem to have a good rapport with the other hunters.

It was knifing time in the middle of the night.

 

[Kappa]

Don't think this is a Collingwood thing. The world, sport in general and the AFL got corporatised. As that happened roles for the every day supporter i the club dried up and access became limited.

We were all told we wanted big comfortable stadiums, no one wanted to stand in the weather, that 70000 at the MCG was infinitely better than 22300 at Vic Park.

We had to lose "soul". I miss it too.

But the MCG is infinitely better than Vic Park...

Vic Park is nice to go once in a while for a VFL match, but if we didn't have such a historical connection to it everyone would be calling it a dump in a shit location

 

[Len Oakes]

200,000 years ago we were standing on the plains plotting our strategy for the passing herd, and when we came home to the cave that night without a kill the rumblings began. The Alpha males game plan wasn't working and he didn't seem to have a good rapport with the other hunters.

It was knifing time in the middle of the night.

 

[Gone Critical]

But the MCG is infinitely better than Vic Park...

Vic Park is nice to go once in a while for a VFL match, but if we didn't have such a historical connection to it everyone would be calling it a dump in a shit location

I know we are not going back but Vic Park from the late 60's onwards was an awesome place to watch footy for a young Collingwood supporter like myself. Don't think the MCG experience is infinitely better but it's different. The "soul" VP was talking about was infinitely more palpable at Vic Park when McKenna, the Richardsons, Tuddy, Thommo and Johnny Greening were doing their thing.

 

[Robroy22]

Vicci Park was like most suburban home grounds then....it was a fortress. On Saturdays Vicci park was ALL Collingwood. The G is fabulous but its never been a fortress for any team ('cept maybe the Dees in the 50's).
Home ground advantage died for the Pies the day we left Vicci Park. It's probably worth 2-3 games a year so....

 

[doodles98]

200,000 years ago we were standing on the plains plotting our strategy for the passing herd, and when we came home to the cave that night without a kill the rumblings began. The Alpha males game plan wasn't working and he didn't seem to have a good rapport with the other hunters.

It was knifing time in the middle of the night.

and via that time honored, brutal and completely necessary process the tribe was able to gain a new competent leader who's tactical nous and caveman management enabled the hunt to gel and reap much meaty rewards. The tribe thought this much preferable to starvation.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

My point is TG is the head of the 'chicken little brigade' - the sky is always falling.

If i believed we were going to win the flag, then and only then would I believe we are in massive trouble.
But I never expected to win the flag so no we are not in massive trouble.

This is comfortably your most non-nonsensical post thus far.

So if we win the wooden spoon this year...we're not in trouble because you didn't expect us to win the flag? I'm convinced you post in your sleep. It's the only thing that explains your posting over the last few weeks.

 

[Len Oakes]

I have a very different view of this. It goes back to the Rat Pack and the transfer of Heath Shaw. Buckley wants a team of cleanskins, presumably because they're easier to manage. Our current crew certainly is, which means they aren't really scary. Witts is certainly a nice guy, as is Travis Cloke, but do they intimidate the opposition? No. We want the opposition fearing that, "If I get tackled by that bastard I may also cop a knee in the balls and an elbow in the eye." We've got a team full of nice guys and that's why we're losing.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Nice guys finish last

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Victoria Park was a shit hole
People pissing on you, poor visibility, only the select few got seats, only 30,000 could get in.
Anyone reminiscing over that dump has lost it