Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

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Part I:

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Are you referring to this?

While I believe the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves and hope the IDF suffers casualties while invading and committing war crimes in Gaza, what happened on October 7 was a terrorist attack plain and simple.

What Hamas have done was inhuman just as the IDF invading and attacking Gaza are.
I agree, nobody is suggesting that what Hamas did went too far. Both Hamas and Israel have gone too far.

That statement would be considered anti-semitism by some outspoken Zionists trying to conflate criticism of Israel with criticism of Jews.

I'm happy to criticise all religions, they're all objectively stupid, but not the race. This is another way they conflate anti-semitism. If I said Judaism is stupid, they'd say it's anti-semitism too. Christians tend to wear the criticism because they mostly do it to each other. Islam tends to be very defensive because it's the newest and like all third children, it's a little bit cray-cray.
Israeli 'celebrity spy' Jonathan Pollard, who spent nearly three decades in a U.S prison for espionage and is now a political hopeful, calls for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the mass deportation of Palestinians to Ireland.

'The Irish deserve it': Israeli ex-spy turned election candidate wants Gazans 'moved' to Ireland
February 26 2024

A FORMER SPY for Israel turned prospective far-right election candidate has claimed Israel should “move” Arab people in Gaza to Ireland, due to the support for the Palestinian cause here.

Jonathan Pollard, who was born in America and served almost 30 years in an American jail for spying for Israel, said that Israel must annex Gaza if it wants people to be able to return to homes they fled after the 7 October surprise attack by Hamas.

The suggestion has been condemned as “ethnic cleansing” by Dublin TD Richard Boyd Barrett, whose own longstanding support for Palestine was cited by Pollard in Israeli media as reason to force people from their homeland and towards Irish shores.

The People Before Profit–Solidarity deputy added: “If the movement of solidarity with the Palestinian people in Ireland is annoying far-right fanatics like this Mr Pollard, then it means we’re doing something right...”

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Outrageous. The IDF opened fire on a crowd of Palestinians in Gaza waiting to access a FOOD AID TRUCk. 104 people were killed. How can anyone continue to defend these people? A straight massacre.

WTF is wrong with them?! They had the nerve to blame STARVING PALESTINIANS for the massacre by saying that "the Palestinians trampled each other" when the IDF opened FIRE at a FOOD AID TRUCK. Then you get this idiot saying the above statement.

Bunch of morally depraved liars that need to be punished for their behaviour. Sanction them to the ground for the war crimes they've committed and defund their military of every dollar of foreign aid.

The US also needs to be held accountable.
Israel media has gone into overdrive trying to confuse people about the death of 100+ starving Gazans in North Gaza.

They just mysteriously died while the IDF shot at them.

Their crime?

Starving people trying to take food off aid trucks.
Tragic that the IDF had to shoot those Palestinian civilians trying to access food. If only there was some way it could be avoided.

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Tragic that the IDF had to shoot those Palestinian civilians trying to access food. If only there was some way it could be avoided.

Tragic how Hamas keep making IDF pull the trigger.

Never has a nation state been less responsible for anything.
A more acceptable post is that bibi should ******* die painfully hopefully soon and maybe in an incident that takes out that other far right settler leader piece of s**t

well, that's far different to suggesting that the entire country with 10m odd people in it should be blown off planet earth.
well, that's far different to suggesting that the entire country with 10m odd people in it should be blown off planet earth.
Yes, which is why I said it would be a far more acceptable outcome.
Hamas is so scary that hundreds of Jewish settlers just broke through the border gate (without IDF opposition) in an attempt to start settlements in Gaza.

How long until the IDF is no longer able to chase them out?

Kind of makes the idea that Israel is terrified of Hamas and they're an imminent threat a bit stupid.
what a sub-human individual this creature is. and the odds of an i.d.f soldier being harmed are about the same as someone being hit with a flying tram so depleted is the resistance and so armed and protected is the I.d.f.

israel under the present corrupt leadership has no moral or ethical base and has become a law unto itself. let’s hope one day in the not-too-distant future justice will prevail and there will be a price to pay.

Bibi is saying that the Knesset has to pass Religious supremacy laws (excluding religious parts of his coalition from military service) or else "the terrorists win".

Honestly, the guy would say "the terrorists win" if he lost at table tennis. Then he'd call the paddles Hamas and have them tortured.

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So does Israel have any legitimacy left as a state?

If it keeps acting like this how much longer should it be allowed to exist?
When people used to say "do you support the right of Israel to exist", I used to think yes.

But I can't help but think that maybe it hasn't been the best outcome. A Lebanon-style 1-state solution might have prevented some of the extremist supremacy movements from emerging and becoming so extreme. Now, Israel won't give up Jewish supremacy and therefore why would Palestinians not want their own state on equal footing?

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