Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

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Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

Breaking the law. 'International humanitarian law prohibits a siege of Gaza, UN human rights commissioner says From CNN's Eve Brennan Ravina Shamdasani speaks at the Palais des Nations in Geneva, Switzerland, on September 7, 2018. Ravina Shamdasani speaks at the Palais des Nations in...

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[CD Xbow]

So isreal can attack Iran
Iran HASNT retaliated but America already saying it will back the attackers?
This seems right and just.

|ran has retaliated and declared it's the end of the matter.

Israel shoots down most of Iran's 300 drones, saying it 'foiled' retaliatory attack — as it happened

Iran's mission to the United Nations warns the United States not to get involved and says its drone strike on Israel has concluded. Look back on the day's events.

www.abc.net.au

This was a 'show' and the speed in which Iran declared the matter confirms this. It also involved drones which can be easily shot down rather than ballistic missiles as far as I know. Iran doesn't want direct conflict with Israel, it would almost certainly lose. Heck, why should it, when it's got it's friends doing it's dirty work.

 

[1990crow]

I'm sure nothing bad can come from this.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

While I don't wish harm on civilians I sincerely wish a happy hunting to Iran as they engage military and associated security force targets as well as other governmental installations.

May the formerly sweet taste of vindication turn to ashes in the Zionist Cancer's collective mouths.

 

[Hornberger]

|ran has retaliated and declared it's the end of the matter.

Israel shoots down most of Iran's 300 drones, saying it 'foiled' retaliatory attack — as it happened

Iran's mission to the United Nations warns the United States not to get involved and says its drone strike on Israel has concluded. Look back on the day's events.

www.abc.net.au

This was a 'show' and the speed in which Iran declared the matter confirms this. It also involved drones which can be easily shot down rather than ballistic missiles as far as I know. Iran doesn't want direct conflict with Israel, it would almost certainly lose. Heck, why should it, when it's got it's friends doing it's dirty work.

The Iranian response can probably be best described as a minimum credible threat. They have to do enough to show that they are willing to escalate if Isreal doesn't back down, but not actually do enough damage that forces Israel to retaliate. It is the same thing that happened after the Americans killed Soleimani.

 

[peetoo]

Iran probably saved money on disposing of old tech drones responsibly

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

This is too funny. TOO F*CKING FUNNY!!!

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Iran probably saved money on disposing of old tech drones responsibly

The drones were probably sent as a distractive screen while ballistic missiles went to work.

 

[1990crow]

This is too funny. TOO F*CKING FUNNY!!!

I mean. Yeah.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

The al Aqsa mosque with Iranian missiles striking in the background

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

This might be the Nevatim Air Force base in the Negev desert



The Russian caption states "Israeli media confirm 7 missile attacks on a military facility in the Negev Desert.
In general, the overload method works, and under the cover of a bunch of cheap drones, the missiles reach the target despite all the efforts of the United States and Israel. Valuable experience."

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Some more tasty treats incoming for the Zionist Cancer to break its teeth against. As always I'll commend strikes against military and security force targets but I will condemn strikes against civilian ones.



I hope the Dimona nuclear facility is untouched. Any strike on a nuclear plant would be catastrophic for the surrounding area.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Looks like it was a pretty big attack, particularly in the south, and the situation is still unfolding. Hope we get some damage reports in over the next few days.

 

[Smeg Head]

While I don't wish harm on civilians I sincerely wish a happy hunting to Iran as they engage military and associated security force targets as well as other governmental installations.

May the formerly sweet taste of vindication turn to ashes in the Zionist Cancer's collective mouths.

By supporting Iran you are directly supporting the deaths of scores of civilians thanks to all the drones they have been supplying Russia.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

I'll make some things clear right here, right now.

I don't stand with Iran in the theocratic repression of its own people - the people of Iran deserve better than an arch-conservative Council of Mullahs and their Ayatollah dictating every aspect of their lives.

However, the Zionist Cancer needs to be removed. NOT the Jewish people, but the enactors of apartheid and genocide. The political construct, if you will. As far as governmental and military targets go, happy hunting to Iran.

If you stand with Israel, you stand for genocide.

Regarding Russia, I don't stand with Vladimir Putin. Ever since his bizarre personal war against the all-girl punk band Pussy Riot back in 2010 or so, I've had no time for him.

In isolation, if Ukraine fought Russia without the backing of NATO I would be pro-Ukrainian. I will never support U.S foreign policy aims, though. I will never back NATO.

I find myself in a peculiar spot as far as the Russian invasion is concerned. I don't want Russia to succeed. I don't want Washington to succeed either. I want a free and independent Ukraine, beholden to neither Moscow or Washington, to rise and assert itself among the nations.

As it stands right now, I can't back Ukraine. All I can do is hope its civilian population stays as safe as it can.

EDIT: If you don't remember Pussy Riot or hadn't heard of them before take a look at this;

Beaten, jailed, exiled and still taunting Putin: inside Pussy Riot’s filthy, furious show

They fled Russia disguised as food couriers. Now a major exhibition is celebrating the collective’s decade of punky protest art, from a urine-splattered portrait of Putin to the cathedral gig that landed them in prison

www.theguardian.com

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Where do you stand, Smeg Head?

 

[Smeg Head]

Where do you stand, Smeg Head?

The utter removal of any regime supporting Russia

 

[QuietB]

By supporting Iran you are directly supporting the deaths of scores of civilians thanks to all the drones they have been supplying Russia.

Israel attacked an Embassy. That is 100% terrorism and 100% unacceptable. Only terrorists attack embassies - not civilised states.

Netenyahu is out of control.

For the record, what do think the USA would be doing is a state attacked one of their embassies and killed senior officers?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

The utter removal of any regime supporting Russia

What about Israel? Do you support its actions against Palestine?

 

[Crankyhawk]

The Iranian response can probably be best described as a minimum credible threat. They have to do enough to show that they are willing to escalate if Isreal doesn't back down, but not actually do enough damage that forces Israel to retaliate. It is the same thing that happened after the Americans killed Soleimani.

Also known as showing restraint.
Something which is foreign to bibi

 

[QuietB]

The utter removal of any regime supporting Russia

China? India? Turkey? Saudi Arabia? Egypt? yada yada

Good luck

 

[Smeg Head]

What about Israel? Do you support its actions against Palestine?

No. I have no personal stake in that conflict though

 

[Crankyhawk]

I'll make some things clear right here, right now.

I don't stand with Iran in the theocratic repression of its own people - the people of Iran deserve better than an arch-conservative Council of Mullahs and their Ayatollah dictating every aspect of their lives.

However, the Zionist Cancer needs to be removed. NOT the Jewish people, but the enactors of apartheid and genocide. The political construct, if you will. As far as governmental and military targets go, happy hunting to Iran.

If you stand with Israel, you stand for genocide.

Regarding Russia, I don't stand with Vladimir Putin. Ever since his bizarre personal war against the all-girl punk band Pussy Riot back in 2010 or so, I've had no time for him.

In isolation, if Ukraine fought Russia without the backing of NATO I would be pro-Ukrainian. I will never support U.S foreign policy aims, though. I will never back NATO.

I find myself in a peculiar spot as far as the Russian invasion is concerned. I don't want Russia to succeed. I don't want Washington to succeed either. I want a free and independent Ukraine, beholden to neither Moscow or Washington, to rise and assert itself among the nations.

As it stands right now, I can't back Ukraine. All I can do is hope its civilian population stays as safe as it can.

EDIT: If you don't remember Pussy Riot or hadn't heard of them before take a look at this;

Beaten, jailed, exiled and still taunting Putin: inside Pussy Riot’s filthy, furious show

They fled Russia disguised as food couriers. Now a major exhibition is celebrating the collective’s decade of punky protest art, from a urine-splattered portrait of Putin to the cathedral gig that landed them in prison

www.theguardian.com

More suited for the Ukraine thread but there is no prospect of a truly independent Ukraine from this point. It’s is either Russian conquest, Russian puppet or USA backed country.
I suppose Russian conquest path could lead to a decade long insurgency and Russia giving up and leaving

 

[Not Important]

suppression, slaying and propaganda have always been the primary tools of extreme zionists and their sympathisers.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Israel attacked an Embassy. That is 100% terrorism and 100% unacceptable. Only terrorists attack embassies - not civilised states.

Netenyahu is out of control.

For the record, what do think the USA would be doing is a state attacked one of their embassies and killed senior officers?

I can't believe that he thinks he can get away with what he's doing.
I can't believe that he seems to be getting away with what he's doing.

If it was Australia the Governor General ( or even our silly king ) probably would have stepped in by now.

 

[Not Important]

in a just world, israel would be paying reparation for the infrastructure and human damage. and those responsible face prison sentences.


the settlers have been put there by the corrupt extremists for this purpose. they don’t act in isolation.