Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

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Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

Breaking the law. 'International humanitarian law prohibits a siege of Gaza, UN human rights commissioner says From CNN's Eve Brennan Ravina Shamdasani speaks at the Palais des Nations in Geneva, Switzerland, on September 7, 2018. Ravina Shamdasani speaks at the Palais des Nations in...

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[Tiger 79]

Zionist lies.
All that you have is repeating Zionist lies.
The only purpose you repeat Zionist lies for is to help excuse genocide and land theft.

It's land theft and genocide. The genocide is an effect caused by those that enabled the land theft. Remember, the allies aided the land theft, not the Axis, they increased the suffering of the Jews which Herzl (the father of Zionism) said was essential, why was it essential? I don't know.

In the end everyone played their part for the State of "Israel."

 

[Tiger 79]

Oh, your an October 7 denier. There was a ceasefire deal fall through just yesterday because the Palestinians changed the terms from "living" hostages to "living or dead".

Surely by "Palestinians" you mean Hamas?

 

[Tiger 79]

Palestine's in two parts. One faction in the West Bank ruled by Fatah and Gaza which is ruled by Hamas currently. I trust Australia will be working with Fatah more than Hamas.

They're both sunni muslims though.

Maybe it's true what some say, Hamas is in the state of "Israel's" pocket?

 

[Balls In]

Surely by "Palestinians" you mean Hamas?

Hamas are Palestinian just as the Nazi's were German.

 

[madmug]

Oh, your an October 7 denier. There was a ceasefire deal fall through just yesterday because the Palestinians changed the terms from "living" hostages to "living or dead".

They probably have some remains left after the continual indiscriminate heavy carpet bombing by the IDF, for the last 8 months.

 

[madmug]

Hamas are Palestinian just as the Nazi's were German.

Like Zionists are Jewish. Same thing.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Oh, your an October 7 denier. There was a ceasefire deal fall through just yesterday because the Palestinians changed the terms from "living" hostages to "living or dead".

Oh, so you're an apartheid and genocide denier.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Like Bibi? He's don't it a fair few times, but that doesn't seem to get categorised as anti-semetic...

Bibi is an antisemitic piece of self interested s**t

I will wear any demerit points for this comment with pride.

As opposed to the Australian people on public vote picking the Israeli song as the top choice (ffs the Croatian entry was much better absent any political leanings)

 

[Crankyhawk]

You should have listened more intently in sex ed. That comment doesn't quite work.

Doesn’t it? If she swallowed then bibi is not born..?

 

[sr36]

Doesn’t it? If she swallowed then bibi is not born..?

I wasn't there, but I think they may have been doing a different act.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Eurovision has been a debacle thanks to Israel being allowed to have an entry despite their ongoing war crimes.

I did note how any jury that gave Israel more than a 3 point vote copped abuse (song was not great - and that’s without knowing the original lyrics). What surprised was the public vote for the song.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I did note how any jury that gave Israel more than a 3 point vote copped abuse (song was not great - and that’s without knowing the original lyrics). What surprised was the public vote for the song.

That's just the diaspora and bots voting for them

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

You should have listened more intently in sex ed. That comment doesn't quite work.

I think it means Bibi's daddy should have 'finished' in Bibi's mummy's mouth and not... down below. Which can and does happen in sexual encounters, believe it or not!

By the way, happy Mothers Day to all the mums out there!!

 

[Maggie5]

Hamas are Palestinian just as the Nazi's were German.

It might be difficult for you to understand but I will give it a go.

It is possible to defend the Palestinian people and condemn Hamas, just as it is possible to condemn Israel and defend Jews.

 

[barreness]

It's land theft and genocide. The genocide is an effect caused by those that enabled the land theft. Remember, the allies aided the land theft, not the Axis, they increased the suffering of the Jews which Herzl (the father of Zionism) said was essential, why was it essential? I don't know.

In the end everyone played their part for the State of "Israel."

(((Israel))) right?

Wait so the allies wanted the holocoust? this is some deep nazi lore here.

N.B. Many on the Allies side were fascist(capitalism in decline) and antisemetic, socialism or barbarism my friend

 

[barreness]

Oh, your an October 7 denier. There was a ceasefire deal fall through just yesterday because the Palestinians changed the terms from "living" hostages to "living or dead".

I guess its hard to guarantee their life when you are being bombed and shelled

This is apparently the deal that Hamas accepted and Israel declined, why is that you think? all hostages releasedView attachment INTERACTIVE-Gaza-ceasefire-proposal-approved-by-Hamas-1715080051.webp

 

[Saint]

Yeah sure the Vietnamese were sitting round thinking , "oh i could better my life ".
People have AlWAYS left their homeland when it became insufferable.

I don't care if that offends you.
But i don't think it actually does.

Who's making it insufferable? Gaza shares 95% of its border with Israel. The country making it insufferable.

And your response is: Why aren't Egypt helping?

You've created a race-based strawman to excuse Israel's genocide.

 

[Trouto]

So why would you want to deny anyone who wants to leave the opportunity to leave?

your support of Israel in this is not as covert as you think it is, mate

 

[Trouto]

Heavens! All those poor innocent fighting age men! None of whom are associated with the knuckle dragging neanderthals who broke a peace fire, invaded a neighbour and waged the most vile atrocities on innocent women and children we've seen in our lifetimes.

You do realise that regardless of their age or sex, you are not allowed to torture people?

 

[Saint]

I did note how any jury that gave Israel more than a 3 point vote copped abuse (song was not great - and that’s without knowing the original lyrics). What surprised was the public vote for the song.

Similar to elections in the US and Australia where devout religious people will vote on who promises to be the most devout religious person, while everyone else doesn't even consider religion in their voting.

 

[Tiger 79]

Not sure I see the logic here though, if a civilian wants to leave Gaza via Egypt to become a refugee I don't see why they should be stopped from doing so to escape a warzone.

I have to admit that I do find it disturbing that the Ummah are not helping their fellow members. As equally disturbing is how many here would prefer Egypt not to help their fellow Ummah members!

Could Egypt be thinking that all muslim Palestinians are Hamas?

 

[Rusty Brookes]

I don't if this makes me really happy or sad (probably both to be fair) but if only..

Inside 'the dream' where Israelis and Palestinians live together harmoniously, even as war rages on

Known in Arabic as Wahat al-Salaam and in Hebrew as Neve Shalom, Israel's only community shared intentionally between Jews and Palestinians hopes to show the wider world that a shared society is possible.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Saint]

I have to admit that I do find it disturbing that the Ummah are not helping their fellow members. As equally disturbing is how many here would prefer Egypt not to help their fellow Ummah members!

Could Egypt be thinking that all muslim Palestinians are Hamas?

Framing the problem as "why aren't other countries helping Israel commit ethnic cleansing" is not clever.

If Israel said the Palestinians could return, Egypt would take them. But Israel won't because they're committing ethnic cleansing

If Israel let Palestinian civilians move to the West Bank, that would keep them out of harms way. But Israel won't because they're committing ethnic cleansing.

It's the ethnic cleansing by Israel that's the problem. Any other framing is bigoted nonsense.

Maybe Israel could evacuate Ashkelon and Ashdod, historically Palestinian areas, and Palestinians could live there?

 

[Balls In]

You do realise that regardless of their age or sex, you are not allowed to torture people?

Yes and there is absolutely zero evidence the Isaeli's are torturing its prisoners of war.

Did you see that 20 year old woman being led into captivity with massive bleeding from the back of her pants and her achilles cut - that's how Hamas treats its prisoners.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Yes and there is absolutely zero evidence the Isaeli's are torturing its prisoners of war.

Did you see that 20 year old woman being led into captivity with massive bleeding from the back of her pants and her achilles cut - that's how Hamas treats its prisoners.

"There has been no torturing of any prisoners held by the IDF".

This accurate and unbiased information proudly brought to you by... The IDF...