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Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

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I'm no expert in Palestine-Israel conflict, but I've read half a dozen books on the subject, read thousands of wiki entries, reports, articles, UN resolutions, watched dozens of docos, and I feel like I've only scratched the surface.

I find it interesting that people can comment and have such strong opinions about some place in the world they've never been to, studied or even cared about, other than when it becomes a big headline, only for them to ignore completely for another decade.

And by that token, it's fascinating how people can have such strong opinions about something they really know little to nothing about. You can call Hamas evil all you like, but it's really just hubris.

It's hubris because how arrogant one must be, that they can discriminate a whole group to the point of being borderline racist, even though they've barely even know who or what they are.

The more I educate myself on the subject the harder I find to condemn on what happened on October 7th. Now if you want to get angry, report me, ban me and call me a terrorist for gaining such views than fine by me. But pause and reflect for a second: when genocides occured throughout history, like the holocaust for example, how many say now, 'that they would have never gone along with it, I would've always condemn genoicde'. And here we are, almost 100 years after the holocaust and people are finding all reasons to condemn, subjcate, and happy to play along with the extermination of a group of people. You're not as good as you think you are.
 

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If one already thinks Hamas are a terrorist organisation will it add anything new and interesting?
Well considering he's the son of one of Hamas's founders and has spent time imprisoned by both Israel and Hamas I'd say he is one person who would have better intrinsic knowledge of the depths of the conflict than most commenting on here..
 
Well considering he's the son of one of Hamas's founders and has spent time imprisoned by both Israel and Hamas I'd say he is one person who would have better intrinsic knowledge of the depths of the conflict.

How much is Israel paying him?
 
Well considering he's the son of one of Hamas's founders and has spent time imprisoned by both Israel and Hamas I'd say he is one person who would have better intrinsic knowledge of the depths of the conflict than most commenting on here..

As I said, will it add anything new?

I’ve read many sources outside of BigFooty, I’m no fan of Hamas alongside being no fan of the Israeli Government.
 
All you do is post Israeli puff pieces (without any comment a lot of the time) and then throw in a mention here or there of something different to feign a view that you’re balanced.
You’re as opaque as the hirdyword poster.
Look I'm a very introverted person and that probably is reflected a bit in my posting and I also like to let people make up their own minds on the infromation I post. I'm not feigning anything I've said multiple times I don't condone Israels response in killing innocent civilians to get to hamas but at the same time the hostages are innocent victims in this and that shouldn't be overlooked.

And if you have information that contradict what I'm posting then post it I'm happy to read it.

 
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As I said, will it add anything new?

I’ve read many sources outside of BigFooty, I’m no fan of Hamas alongside being no fan of the Israeli Government.
You'll have to make up your own mind on that score.
 

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How do you think Israel treats the Palestinian children and women they lock up without charge?

We‘ve seen them released in recent days with broken bones, scarred faces from burns etc.

But the main difference is scale, where Israel hold ten times as many hostages, and kill ten times as many civilians.
Did you really fall for the 'broken bones' kid?

The woman who had scars on her face has them because she blew herself up in a car bombing a number of years ago and had surgery to save her life in an Israeli hospital.

Gonna complain Israel didn't give her cosmetic surgery for an attempted suicide attack now?
 
You are an idiot.

I would post the videos, and force you to watch it. But bigfooty has rules against that for good reason. If you think you can achieve your aims by shooting and killing INNOCENT people, then go right ahead. promote more killing. I mean, killing innocents is working so well for Israel atm.

"an eye for an eye makes everyone blind"

just put the hamas justifiers on ignore.

thread is a lot more peaceful and the posting is a lot more genuine after that.
 
What about the 15,000 dead civilians. Is that justified?
Respectfully, those are numbers supplied by Hamas, who lie about everything(as do Israel).

For all we know, it could be 10k dead Hamas fighters that were counted because they fight in civvies. There's plenty of footage online showing this. That way they can count them as 'civilians' when they die fighting.
 

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Respectfully, those are numbers supplied by Hamas, who lie about everything(as do Israel).

For all we know, it could be 10k dead Hamas fighters that were counted because they fight in civvies. There's plenty of footage online showing this. That way they can count them as 'civilians' when they die fighting.
They have all there names. Is 10,000 justified? You are avoiding the question. The answer is that it can't be justified and that the extreme right wing Netanyahu government is an out of control civilian and child killing machine as you already know.
 
They have all there names. Is 10,000 justified? You are avoiding the question. The answer is that it can't be justified and that the extreme right wing Netanyahu government is an out of control civilian and child killing machine as you already know.
Israel's disregard for Palestinian lives predates Netanyahu by decades. Fully backed by the USA.
 
For all we know, it could be 10k dead Hamas fighters that were counted because they fight in civvies.

Yep, 'for all we know', all those dead children in Gaza are Hamas fighters in civvies. Babies in hospitals? - yep, Hamas fighters, the lot of 'em.

There's no pulling the wool over your eyes. 🤔
 
Respectfully, those are numbers supplied by Hamas, who lie about everything(as do Israel).

For all we know, it could be 10k dead Hamas fighters that were counted because they fight in civvies. There's plenty of footage online showing this. That way they can count them as 'civilians' when they die fighting.
Are the 4,000 dead children Hamas fighters? Come on mate.
 
What side uses there own people (Palestinians) as human shields?, what side uses suicide bombers?, what side sets up their headquarters and hideaways under public buildings like hospitals and heavily populated areas etc?...
 
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