News Jack Dyer Stand may go in $60m Punt Road Oval redevelopment

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The grand stand is Richmond history. The club played a role in its construction, which was thought significant enough for Australia's PM at the time to officially open it. People as old as Melbourne, like football pioneer Colden Harrison, lived long enough it sit in it, and no Australian alive today was around when it was built. It's not "just a stand". Also many structures in much more derelict condition have been restored, there's no reason the stand can't be. "Fall behind the pace" you've won three flags in five years
The location is Richmond’s history
If we can’t accommodate for the club’s future we will need to relocate to a more suitable site that would be more of a loss to the clubs history and identity than demolishing a derelict and condemned building that can’t be used for the purpose it was built for in the first place
 
The grand stand is Richmond history. The club played a role in its construction, which was thought significant enough for Australia's PM at the time to officially open it. People as old as Melbourne, like football pioneer Colden Harrison, lived long enough it sit in it, and no Australian alive today was around when it was built. It's not "just a stand". Also many structures in much more derelict condition have been restored, there's no reason the stand can't be. "Fall behind the pace" you've won three flags in five years
Yes it's Richmond history, playing home games at Punt Road probably more important but when it got in the way of the club itself, we let that go.
How did that turn out for us?

8 flags in 56 years since. Equal second most successful club in the league.

Those premierships are the most important part of Richmond history - we exist to win them. And we should have won more. We were a powerhouse in the Hafey era, not unlike where we sit today. So why did we only win 1 flag between Hafey and Hardwick, the two greatest coaches the club has ever had? Because we didn't move with the times as the league became more professional in the expansion era. There are currently listed players at Richmond who experienced this - they were drafted into a club with one of the richest histories in the league - yet its facilities were worse than the state league teams they were drafted from.

It was only with the construction of the David Mandie Building that we truly entered the modern era. That required the demolition of an old stand too. But it lead to at least 3 more flags, turning the club from the league's punching bag and running joke, into the powerhouse figures such as Dyer had once elevated it too.

Now we are facing a similar situation. Clubs are pouring money into their own state of the art training facilities. West Coast, Collingwood, Essendon, Hawthorn, Melbourne all the best examples. Eventually all will either join them or get left behind.

So there are 3 options for Richmond
1) do nothing, stay where we are, slowly tumble down the ladder to become a s**t club again
2) move the club away from it's heartland to a completely soulless new location
3) demolish the stand, build something that's going to allow us to continue to grow as a club and win more premierships.

I reckon Jack would laugh at you for even asking him the question. If we aren't going to chase flags, why even bother having a club?
 
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Richmond played host to Carlton on the King’s Birthday Monday (King George V1), with plenty of hype in the lead-up to the battle between the arch-rivals.
Richmond’s inspirational captain-coach Jack Dyer was in his final season as a player, and hell-bent on restoring the Tigers to their glory days of the early 1940s.
I'm surprised Rhett Bartlett wants it knocked down.
It is a big part of our history.
 

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Richmond played host to Carlton on the King’s Birthday Monday (King George V1), with plenty of hype in the lead-up to the battle between the arch-rivals.
Richmond’s inspirational captain-coach Jack Dyer was in his final season as a player, and hell-bent on restoring the Tigers to their glory days of the early 1940s.
I'm surprised Rhett Bartlett wants it knocked down.
It is a big part of our history.
When are we going to see it packed like that again?
 
When are we going to see it packed like that again?
I don't think that's the issue at all.
It's not just Richmond's history,it's Melbourne's history.
Thousands of people drive past it everyday, it's part of city now.
If it's demolished that area will look ugly and be full of corporate advertising.
It won't be knocked down anyway, the National Trust will rightfully prevent it.
 
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Richmond played host to Carlton on the King’s Birthday Monday (King George V1), with plenty of hype in the lead-up to the battle between the arch-rivals.
Richmond’s inspirational captain-coach Jack Dyer was in his final season as a player, and hell-bent on restoring the Tigers to their glory days of the early 1940s.
I'm surprised Rhett Bartlett wants it knocked down.
It is a big part of our history.
And what are all those people staring at? Probably something a little more important I bet.
 
Has anyone been able to explain why the playing surface needs to be enlarged apart from "coz MCG"? After 160+ years of proudly not being the MCG, and in a game where ground dimensions have always wildly differed, why does it suddenly have to conform?
 
I don't think that's the issue at all.
It's not just Richmond's history,it's Melbourne's history.
Thousands of people drive past it everyday, it's part of city now.
If it's demolished that area will look ugly and be full of corporate advertising.
It won't be knocked down anyway, the National Trust will rightfully prevent it.
That's a strawman, the David Mandie Building has less visible advertising on it than the Jack Dyer Stand. The entire roof of the stand is dedicated to a sponsor logo.
It's really not Melbourne history. To anyone who doesn't support Richmond it is just another relic from the suburban origins of the VFL/AFL. Victoria Park isn't getting knocked over anytime soon, the need is satisfied by that.
The only ground in Melbourne that could lay claim to being part of the city's history is the MCG. And even that isn't immune to getting knocked over.

The only way to save it is to sink Brunton Avenue. If National Trust really wants it kept, they can pay for that.
 

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How did preserving Flinders Street Station help Melbourne? Did you know it was almost erased from the cityscape? Or that the Queen Vic Market was almost a carpark? What do you think Melbourne be like without them?
How much would the removal of those structures have helped Melbourne?

Now compare how the removal of the JDS would help Richmond

Chalk and cheese.
 
and what is cultural history? and how does it help our club?
You can look up what cultural history is, it helps our club preserve an important part of our history and Melbourne's history.
Jack Dyer was told he couldn't join the army for WW2 as they wanted him to entertain the Melbourne people with his football. That is important history that goes back 78 years.
 
You can look up what cultural history is, it helps our club preserve an important part of our history and Melbourne's history.
Jack Dyer was told he couldn't join the army for WW2 as they wanted him to entertain the Melbourne people with his football. That is important history that goes back 78 years.
So you're saying the ability to watch champion footballers is an important thing to Melbourne?
 
So you're saying the ability to watch champion footballers is an important thing to Melbourne?
No, you can't deny it is an important part of Melbourne's and RFC's history, you sound like a developer with $$$ signs in his eyes, that's why the National Trust exists, to prevent the destruction of significant historical landmarks.
 
Has anyone been able to explain why the playing surface needs to be enlarged apart from "coz MCG"? After 160+ years of proudly not being the MCG, and in a game where ground dimensions have always wildly differed, why does it suddenly have to conform?

Why did Collingwood build an MCG sized training ground?

Why does Essendon have an MCG sized training ground?

Why did Geelong build a separate MCG sized training ground?


I’ll let your Freo Dockers answer that question actually....




“It includes a main training oval big enough to replicate every AFL ground and a GPS program that shows instantly where goal posts and markings need to go to mirror venues such as the MCG, SCG, the Gabba, Adelaide Oval and WA’s Domain Stadium.

It is modelled on the new Burswood Stadium oval with the same surface and orientation
and will have a similar perched water table under it which captures water and retains it so the ground can be watered from below.

On some grounds you have more space and some are smaller, so to be able to train in those situations leading up to games will be a big advantage,” Fremantle Dockers Foundation ambassador and star midfielder Stephen Hill told The West Australian.
 
No, you can't deny it is an important part of Melbourne's and RFC's history, you sound like a developer with $$$ signs in his eyes, that's why the National Trust exists, to prevent the destruction of significant historical landmarks.
I'm a club member with flags in my eyes actually. In 20 years time do you think having the stand will make up for us not winning any flags in the meantime?
'We've been s**t for decades now and there's no end in sight, but geez at least we've got a stand to look at'
 
Why did Collingwood build an MCG sized training ground?

Why does Essendon have an MCG sized training ground?

Why did Geelong build a separate MCG sized training ground?


I’ll let your Freo Dockers answer that question actually....




“It includes a main training oval big enough to replicate every AFL ground and a GPS program that shows instantly where goal posts and markings need to go to mirror venues such as the MCG, SCG, the Gabba, Adelaide Oval and WA’s Domain Stadium.

It is modelled on the new Burswood Stadium oval with the same surface and orientation
and will have a similar perched water table under it which captures water and retains it so the ground can be watered from below.

On some grounds you have more space and some are smaller, so to be able to train in those situations leading up to games will be a big advantage,” Fremantle Dockers Foundation ambassador and star midfielder Stephen Hill told The West Australian.
That's still not a good enough reason to destroy the grandstand.
There's other options available.
 

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