Jack Viney

[go_the_dockers]

Laughable Adelaide supporters comparing this to Douglas bump. Thought Douglas' hit was a cowardly act, bumping Ward who was not chasing and was not looking. Compared to this where Lynch actually had the ball in his posession, and as described by ptgr, had slowed down completely to reduce impact.

Fyfe's bump is the closest one to this and his was graded as Reckless, High and Medium impact. I do not see how the force will not be High Impact in this case, which means 7 points and 4 weeks minus any early please discount.

When you listen to MRP panel, they will say he had he option to tackle. Does any one seriously believe they won't.

 

[wittzy]

Jack Viney being suspended for this won't make Lynch recover faster. I'm sure Lynch sees it as bad luck rather than malice.

Finally some sense. I agree wholeheartedly. No true footy-fan really wants these kind of incidents highlighted and "football accidents" cruelly penalising someone like Viney, who is a ball player. I suspect Tom Lynch (and the Adelaide FC) have no gripes with Viney at all. His father was a respected assistant at Adelaide and the Viney name is well respected in Adelaide. I don't believe anything changes there.

Unfortunately precedent and establishing a "level playing field" for all clubs (despite the Melbourne-centric media's attempts to sweep some incidents under the mat) will no doubt prevail. I feel sorry for Jack Zeibel, Nat Fyfe, Richard Douglas and (I suspect) Jack Viney - but despite what some people think "should happen", it IS now all about "Consequences" ... Sad, but true.

 

[anditsadraw69]

Fyfe's bump is the closest one to this and his was graded as Reckless, High and Medium impact. I do not see how the force will not be High Impact in this case, which means 7 points and 4 weeks minus any early please discount.

When you listen to MRP panel, they will say he had he option to tackle. Does any one seriously believe they won't.

I still think he will be suspended, but comparisons to Douglas' hit are off the mark.

 

[go_the_dockers]

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   Patrick Keane ‏@AFL_PKeane 19m
   Jack Viney has been referred directly to the Tribunal, with no early plea offered, for rough conduct on Tom Lynch.
   
   
   
   Patrick Keane ‏@AFL_PKeane 19m
   MRP has laid five charges & explained a further two matters from round seven:
   

 

[master bate]

IF it's Rough Conduct
- High impact
- High contact
- Negligent surely

All of that comes out about 3 weeks doesn't it if not 2 with an early plea/good record.

But I have to question whether it actually was rough conduct and a reportable offense. Just because someone got hurt doesn't have to mean it's worth a suspension.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Actually watch the incident in real time and you'll see Viney was running towards the loose ball, when he sees Lynch will take possession he basically stops and with Lynch & Georgiou coming towards him he braces for the impact. He didn't "choose to bump", if he did he would've kept running through the ball and lined Lynch up with a good old fashioned shirtfront.

 

[PrideOf]

Honestly lads, all the chest beating and 'ZOMG we won a game suck $hit Crowz' bollocks aside, this is either about a footy contest or consistency at the tribunal.

If you want it to be about a footy contest, it was unfortunate but it happened. That's how Fyfe and Douglas should have been viewed too.

If it's about consistency, young Viney's gotta go and go for a while considering the damage done to Lynch. Argue all you like about angles, slow-mos and options to tackle all you like, but the system says protect the head and the bump left a guy with a broken jaw.

It's a crap system, developed by a crap administrator in Anderson and it's crap we still have it.

If young Gilligan RompingCEO wants to make friends early, he should toss out this MRP shyte ASAP. Decent players are copping weeks for doing something that's burned into their footy DNA as being fair.

 

[BG32]

should not get weeks for this. did not have intent to bump! all these others the player choose to bump and saw the player coming which that player wasnt looking. this is a lot different and will surely wreck the game if if gets weeks

 

[ManWithNoName]

Honestly lads, all the chest beating and 'ZOMG we won a game suck $hit Crowz' bollocks aside, this is either about a footy contest or consistency at the tribunal.

If you want it to be about a footy contest, it was unfortunate but it happened. That's how Fyfe and Douglas should have been viewed too.

If it's about consistency, young Viney's gotta go and go for a while considering the damage done to Lynch. Argue all you like about angles, slow-mos and options to tackle all you like, but the system says protect the head and the bump left a guy with a broken jaw.

It's a crap system, developed by a crap administrator in Anderson and it's crap we still have it.

If young Gilligan RompingCEO wants to make friends early, he should toss out this MRP shyte ASAP. Decent players are copping weeks for doing something that's burned into their footy DNA as being fair.

Fyfe and Douglas chose to bump. Viney did not. That's the important difference people seem to be missing.

 

[Vader]

As I see it, there are only two options here..
A - They can find him not guilty of rough conduct. This is unlikely, but possible. Melbourne could try and argue that he had no alternative, that he was only trying to protect himself. I can't see the tribunal buying it, given that the MRP has already deemed him to be guilty.

He did have other options available to him and still chose to bump. If a player chooses to bump, then they wear the consequences, no matter how unintentional they might be. I don't believe for one second that Viney intended to injure Lynch, but those are the consequences of his actions.

B - If he is found guilty, then he's looking at 5 weeks, reduced to 3. Contact is clearly high - and it doesn't matter one iota whether Lynch's jaw was broken by Viney's shoulder or Georgiou's head. Impact is almost certainly going to be severe. Lynch has a jaw that is broken in 2 places and won't play for 6 weeks, there's no way that Melbourne can get around that. That only leaves the "Conduct" grading, which is most likely to be "Reckless" based on the Douglas & Fyfe precedents.

A Reckless/High/Severe Rough Conduct charge is 525pts. Viney should get 25% off if he pleads guilty, reducing it to 393.25pts. He's not eligible for the good record discount, as he hasn't been in the system long enough to qualify (5 years).

 

[go_the_dockers]

As I see it, there are only two options here..
A - They can find him not guilty of rough conduct. This is unlikely, but possible. Melbourne could try and argue that he had no alternative, that he was only trying to protect himself. I can't see the tribunal buying it, given that the MRP has already deemed him to be guilty.

He did have other options available to him and still chose to bump. If a player chooses to bump, then they wear the consequences, no matter how unintentional they might be. I don't believe for one second that Viney intended to injure Lynch, but those are the consequences of his actions.

B - If he is found guilty, then he's looking at 5 weeks, reduced to 3. Contact is clearly high - and it doesn't matter one iota whether Lynch's jaw was broken by Viney's shoulder or Georgiou's head. Impact is almost certainly going to be severe. Lynch has a jaw that is broken in 2 places and won't play for 6 weeks, there's no way that Melbourne can get around that. That only leaves the "Conduct" grading, which is most likely to be "Reckless" based on the Douglas & Fyfe precedents.

A Reckless/High/Severe Rough Conduct charge is 525pts. Viney should get 25% off if he pleads guilty, reducing it to 393.25pts. He's not eligible for the good record discount, as he hasn't been in the system long enough to qualify (5 years).

Agree with everything but the Severe grading. I though High would be enough, although I think that is a 50/50 call.

5 weeks would be tough, does he have any carry over points? (I though he got suspended last year)

 

[Hayes4PM]

What a ****ing joke. One week you have Clinton Young eyes on the man, Chapman, leaving the ground to bump him high and he gets off. Now Viney goes for a bump. at ground level, their heads clash and he's going straight to tribunal. Someone poke these MRP/Tribunal pricks in the eye if you see them, it's not like they're using them anyway.

 

[go_the_dockers]

The worst thing about this incident, is I think Glass's report two weeks ago was more reckless and deserved more.

But he got lucky, the player he hit was in the air and he didn't get him high or do any damage.

 

[Vader]

Agree with everything but the Severe grading. I though High would be enough, although I think that is a 50/50 call.

5 weeks would be tough, does he have any carry over points? (I though he got suspended last year)

The Douglas hit on Ward was graded High impact. Ward took no further part in the game, but was able to resume the following week and was close to BOG. Lynch has had his jaw broken and won't play for 6 weeks. If that's not severe, then short of homicide, I don't know what is.

 

[go_the_dockers]

The Douglas hit on Ward was graded High impact. Ward took no further part in the game, but was able to resume the following week and was close to BOG. Lynch has had his jaw broken and won't play for 6 weeks. If that's not severe, then short of homicide, I don't know what is.

It comes down to force vs injury inflicted. If the only thing they are considering is injury, then it is severe you are correct.

 

[PrideOf]

Fyfe and Douglas chose to bump. Viney did not. That's the important difference people seem to be missing.

Sweet baby Jesus on a jetski. Did he consciously make a decision to bump or did he go side-on out of an unconscious reflex?

Completely irrelevant when the AFL is only concerned about the PR element of anything that happens. They don't like seeing broken jaws - hence he'll get games.

Let me say again - I don't think it's right. I'm not going 'Viney should be crucified because it's my player who got injured'. I find it hilarious that this week it's Melbourne supporters defending bumps and talking about how Player X shouldn't get games ... because he's their player X.

 

[Cudi_420]

Ball wasn't being contested at all. He could of side stepped, could of tackled, or could of put his hands up to hold lynch off. Instead he decided to bump and drive his shoulder into lynch. 4+ weeks

If the tribunal use this logic - applying a frame-by-frame account - then all hope is lost for this game.

I understand that you're angry because your team lost, but give me a break! Viney does not deserve to be rubbed out for that!

 

[Vader]

It comes down to force vs injury inflicted. If the only thing they are considering is injury, then it is severe you are correct.

The force involved was pretty severe as well. He broke Lynch's jaw and sent his head cannoning into Georgiou's, giving both of them concussions.

 

[PrideOf]

If the tribunal use this logic - applying a frame-by-frame account - then all hope is lost for this game.

I understand that you're angry because your team lost, but give me a break! Viney does not deserve to be rubbed out for that!

Never, ever, ever use logic when working out what the AFL will do.

And you're right - all hope is pretty much lost for this game the way things are going.

 

[go_the_dockers]

The force involved was pretty severe as well. He broke Lynch's jaw and sent his head cannoning into Georgiou's, giving both of them concussions.

Does it matter if that force came from Viney or Georgiou tackling Lynch pushing forward into Viney ?

Has anyone else been judged as Severe by the MRP?

 

[JUBJUB]

Actually watch the incident in real time and you'll see Viney was running towards the loose ball, when he sees Lynch will take possession he basically stops and with Lynch & Georgiou coming towards him he braces for the impact. He didn't "choose to bump", if he did he would've kept running through the ball and lined Lynch up with a good old fashioned shirtfront.

Exactly,so can you now get punished for standing your ground ?

 

[JUBJUB]

The worst thing about this incident, is I think Glass's report two weeks ago was more reckless and deserved more.

But he got lucky, the player he hit was in the air and he didn't get him high or do any damage.

Didn't the player he hit [Wingard ?] go to hospital after the game ?

 

[PrideOf]

Exactly,so can you now get punished for standing your ground ?

Anything's possible with this MRP. A Wheel of Fortune would probably work as well.

 

[ptrg]

Umpires response: "play on"

Commentators response: "ouch, just an unlucky collision"

Adelaide players response: nothing. No anger toward viney, all knew it was just 3 players going for the ball flat out. (selwood style)

Adelaide fans response (at the time): not a peep. No boos, no anger. All understood that no one was at fault, it was just footballing incident.

 

[Atley]

He is going to get weeks and it absolutely sucks.