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Vader said:
Not really. Viney chose to bump, despite having other options available to him. Head contact resulted. That's all that really matters.
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  1. didnt chose to bump
  2. stopped to attempt to minimize contact
  3. Lynch was actually watching him and fully aware contact was about to happen
  4. Lynch is made of glass
 
Vader said:
Not really. Viney chose to bump, despite having other options available to him. Head contact resulted. That's all that really matters.
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Not really. Explained in earlier. There was going to be a collision after he was going after a loose ball, he was poorly balanced and had to change his action as the ball bobbled up to Lynch. He slowed his momentum down and got as low as he could. In the time frame and given his positioning, and the fact he'd been chasing a loose ball a split second before the collision, how exactly was he to shift his weight and position himself to make a tackle in the time he had?
 
If the so called experts who think it is a tragedy that this results in a suspension... well they should have maybe been a bit more vocal when Fyfe got rubbed out. I mean Mundy just got a week (reduced to 70 points on bood behaviour etc) for low impact and body contact resulting in zero injury... those are the decisions that are crazy and make it impossible for the broken jaw to result in weeks.
 

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BG32 said:
  1. didnt chose to bump
  2. stopped to attempt to minimize contact
  3. Lynch was actually watching him and fully aware contact was about to happen
  4. Lynch is made of glass
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1. Did choose to bump.
2. Using a player's own momentum against them is still a bump.
3. Contact was expected. It was still high, resulting in Lynch receiving a head injury.
4. Completely irrelevant.
 
I just took the AFL footage and used the stopwatch on my phone to time it.

Jack Viney had approximately 3/10ths of a second from Lynch collecting the ball to contact.
 
Striker475 said:
I just took the AFL footage and used the stopwatch on my phone to time it.

Jack Viney had approximately 3/10ths of a second from Lynch collecting the ball to contact.
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Your point being? It was long enough for him to make the decision to bump, bracing himself accordingly.
 
Striker475 said:
I just took the AFL footage and used the stopwatch on my phone to time it.

Jack Viney had approximately 3/10ths of a second from Lynch collecting the ball to contact.
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He chose to bump, simple as that.

He shouldn't get anything for it - the ruling on it is a joke.
 

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Vader said:
Your point being? It was long enough for him to make the decision to bump, bracing himself accordingly.
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King Elvis said:
He chose to bump, simple as that.

He shouldn't get anything for it - the ruling on it is a joke.
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What else could he do though? In all seriousness - his objective was to collect the ball. If Viney had gone straight for Lynch the risk is giving away a free kick for holding the man or losing track of the ball. His entire body positioning was to collect the ball. He's had three tenths of a second to shift his body in some way that results in something that isn't the bump. His whole positioning was what midfielders are encouraged to do - collect the ball with your opponent behind you so that if they drive you forward it's a push in the back and a free kick.

Lynch collects the ball with the bounce of it. In those three tenths, not only does Viney brace for contact - because he was going full tilt at the contest and Lynch collected in those three tenths - but Georgiou gets his hands around Lynch and drags him into the tackle.

The onus here is now on Viney to somehow shift his body at full tilt into a tackle that won't be head high because Lynch is already being tackled and also avoid hurting himself or his teammate. All in three tenths of a second.

It's unfortunate but it's literally impossible in that circumstance.

Don't get me wrong. I love Tommy Lynch. Followed him with some interest. But shit happens in footy, and this is one of those times.
 
BG32 said:
  1. didnt chose to bump
  2. stopped to attempt to minimize contact
  3. Lynch was actually watching him and fully aware contact was about to happen
  4. Lynch is made of glass
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As i posted this was a thread on the system not the incident but point 3. really. ur arguing Viney didn't have time to choose not to bump but Lynch had time to focus on anything but gathering the footy. Can't have it both ways
 
So people wanted Viney to stand there, not brace for contact and risk getting his own jaw broken again? He had his jaw broken when David Wojcinski hit him in a VFL game so excuse him for wanting to protect himself!!!

Anyway he took the hit off 2 bigger guys, bounced up won, burst through an opponent and delivered to a teammate

Best young midfielder in the comp, and hes ours. Love it.
 
Vader said:
When was the last time Liz Ellis broke another players jaw with her shoulder?:rolleyes:
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This is where the problem lays, commonsense has been thrown out the window.

The MRP are prosecuting the result, not the intention or action. To me, Viney braced for contact ( little time to get out of the road of a rampaging KP player ), they connected with another Melbourne player pressing from behind. Unfortunately his jaw was broken. What was Viney's intention, I think it was self preservation, brace for a collision and at no time could the contact be seen as malicious and against the spirit of the game.

There's that phrase, "spirit of the game", what was the intention of all the players ?. No one was trying to injure anyone.

If Sandilands trips over a pygmy ( sorry < 7 foot player ) and in landing breaks the players jaw, should he get hit by the MRP ?. Commonsense would say, why the flip did the pygmy get in Sandi's way !!!.

Lets look back 12 months, Mr S McKernan wilfully used an elbow and got 2 weeks. He was not playing in the spirit of the game !!!!!, and by the latest rulings would get a 20 week holiday.

Commonsense needs to apply.
 
I reckon he deserves to go. He arrived at the contest late and injured a guy. Seems pretty similar to collecting a guy just after he's taken a mark, really.

edit: to clarify, I think it was a free kick, since he collected him high, and since the tribunal penalties now take into account the results of an action in determining a penatly, I think Viney deserves to go based on those criteria. Not a moral "I think it was a dog act" deserves to go.
 
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wittzy said:
Do you want to expand? Or (maybe in your particularly case) I may concede to be incorrect in including you in this comment ..
"Whilst I sympathise with the Melbourne FC supporters on this incident ..."

I fear for the deluded here, that actually believe that Lynch's left broken jaw, was caused by contact with Georgiou's Head .. not Viney's shoulder??? Or that Lynch is "soft" .... Really??
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Yep soft. Just like Danger after a great tackle from Trengove. Typical Crow softness trying to sideline the Dees. :drunk:
 
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