Jack Viney

[master bate]

A broken jaw alone can't be severe impact.

Broken jaw's happen all the time in footy. Nick Maxwell broke a Geelong blokes jaw in the preseason. Viv Michie had his jaw broken in the VFL.

 

[Quinz]

I suspect he is going to the tribunal because they didn't agree with the grading he would have gotten under the normal system.

Hopefully anyway. We can't legislate contact out of the game.

 

[Bluelegs]

Really hope the footy world unites on this. If he gets snubbed out it sends the message that players are required to squib any contest that could cause damage to another player

 

[Vader]

Does it matter if that force came from Viney or Georgiou tackling Lynch pushing forward into Viney ?

Has anyone else been judged as Severe by the MRP?

The following is taken from the definition of "Impact" in the Tribunal Booklet:

In determining the level of impact, regard will be had to the extent of force and in particular, any injury sustained by the player who was offended against. Regard will also be had to the potential to cause injury. For example, contact to the head will generally have more impact than contact to the body if the force used is similar.

and

In determining the level of impact regard shall be had not only to the impact between the offending player and the victim player, but also any other impact to the victim player as a result of such impact. By way of an example, where a victim player as a result of the impact from the offending player is pushed into the path of a fast-moving third player, the impact to the victim player may be classified as high or severe, even though the level of impact between the offending
player and the victim player was only low or medium.

I'm not aware of any previous "Severe" gradings, but then again, I'm not aware of too many players having their jaws broken as the result of a high bump either. Most incidents like this are like the Douglas/Ward incident, where the player was subbed out but was able to play again the following week.

 

[Bluelegs]

Anything's possible with this MRP. A Wheel of Fortune would probably work as well.

Wouldn't be surprised if it was similar to this.

 

[rocket18]

Trenners sling tackle on Dangerfield got a month after the crows put in a report saying he had concussion, He then went out the next week and was best on

What, exactly like GWS did with Ward.

As soon as you decide to bump instead of tackle you take all responsibility for any injuries that occur. It sucks but that is the way the AFL have gone.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Ball wasn't being contested at all. He could of side stepped, could of tackled, or could of put his hands up to hold lynch off. Instead he decided to bump and drive his shoulder into lynch. 4+ weeks

Lynch should then be sighted for making high head contact to Georgiou, he could reasonably expect that by contesting the ball he was going to draw contact which could impact on Georgiou. 4+ weeks for Lynch

Seriously this is a good bump with an unfortunate outcome

 

[Bluelegs]

What, exactly like GWS did with Ward.

As soon as you decide to bump instead of tackle you take all responsibility for any injuries that occur. It sucks but that is the way the AFL have gone.

Viney's other option was to get cleaned up. He was bracing for the impact which resulted in the bump.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Anywhere between 3-5 weeks is probably on par. If Fyfe got 2, Viney has to get some.

 

[Topkent]

Melbourne Supporters want this thrown out
Adelaide supporters want this punished

I just want the neutral supporters to ask do they want this gone from the game as well, Instead of going for the footy the players are going to stop and go ' I hope I dont hurt someone ' wait for the other guy to get the ball and tackle him

AFL used to reward the guy who goes for the footy Like Viney , Now its best to wait for someone else to get it and then play stacks on because you will get a free kick

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Viney's other option was to get cleaned up. He was bracing for the impact which resulted in the bump.

Yes, but no need to go near the head unfortunately, that is what will hurt him.

 

[JUBJUB]

A broken jaw alone can't be severe impact.

Broken jaw's happen all the time in footy. Nick Maxwell broke a Geelong blokes jaw in the preseason. Viv Michie had his jaw broken in the VFL.

Yep and as much as Geelong fans hate Maxwell most sane Geelong fans [we have a few] didn't think Maxwell had a case to answer for breaking Burbs jaw.

 

[PrideOf]

Anywhere between 3-5 weeks is probably on par. If Fyfe got 2, Viney has to get some.

That's where the problem started. Everything this season is now measured from the Fyfe suspension, which was wrong to start off with. Once Fyfe gets weeks, everyone has to also get weeks so it seems fair.

Welcome to AFL Bizzarro World.

 

[JUBJUB]

Yes, but no need to go near the head unfortunately, that is what will hurt him.

Lynch's head make contact with Viney's shoulder because he was being tackled by another Dees player,which dragged his body in a downward action.

 

[Bluelegs]

Yes, but no need to go near the head unfortunately, that is what will hurt him.

Lynch's head was descending rapidly, if you look at that frame by frame post you'll see their shoulders were aligned to begin with.

 

[Tulip]

Welcome to Australian Rules Football:

An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.

 

[Tulip]

Yes, but no need to go near the head unfortunately, that is what will hurt him.

What need? He did what he had to do to win the ball and avoid being crushed by two players 20kg heavier than him.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

That's where the problem started. Everything this season is now measured from the Fyfe suspension, which was wrong to start off with. Once Fyfe gets weeks, everyone has to also get weeks so it seems fair.

Welcome to AFL Bizzarro World.

Well AT LEAST you can say they have been very consistent since the Fyfe decision. I think a 1-2 week ban for Viney is okay, I can live with that. Probably needs to learn to not hit the head I guess.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

What need? He did what he had to do to win the ball and avoid being crushed by two players 20kg heavier than him.

By hitting the guys head, yes. He should have done it in another way to avoid head contact. Players are told over and over again to avoid the head. If you don't you will suffer a suspension. In essence whether he meant it or not, Voney has taken the bloke out for 6 weeks. It wasn't reckless, it was negligent though.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Lynch's head make contact with Viney's shoulder because he was being tackled by another Dees player,which dragged his body in a downward action.

Which is negligent from Jack Viney, no need to do it.

 

[Vader]

I don't think Adelaide supporters necessarily want him to get weeks - but based on the precedents set so far this year he has to go, probably for 5 down to 3.

Most of us think it's a very unfortunate incident. The bump, which has long been a part of Australian Rules footy, is being more or less outlawed by the AFL, because of the risk that it may result in head injuries (as happened on this occasion). The AFL is very strong on head high contact - any player who chooses to bump (which Viney did) and who makes contact with another player's head (which Viney did) is in deep deep trouble.

Adelaide learned this to their chagrin a couple of weeks ago, when Douglas laid a perfectly good bump on Ward - only for Ward to be concussed when his head hit the ground. Freo learned the hard way with the Fyfe verdict. Now it's Melbourne's turn.

 

[rocket18]

If the tribunal use this logic - applying a frame-by-frame account - then all hope is lost for this game.

I understand that you're angry because your team lost, but give me a break! Viney does not deserve to be rubbed out for that!

I don't think any one is angry with Melbourne that we loss, no one is showing any malice to Viney. We have great respect for the Viney name.

The discussion is about what the outcome will be from the MRP/Tribunal, we have had a close look at their decision so we "think" we understand how it will be graded.

I agree it is a footy collision play on but the AFL have/are digging a hole for themselves.

 

[go_the_dockers]

The following is taken from the definition of "Impact" in the Tribunal Booklet:

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I'm not aware of any previous "Severe" gradings, but then again, I'm not aware of too many players having their jaws broken as the result of a high bump either. Most incidents like this are like the Douglas/Ward incident, where the player was subbed out but was able to play again the following week.

[/QUOTE]

Severe it is then

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Will be high contact, severe (obvious, broken jaw), and either negligent or reckless (I would hope they give him the benefit of the doubt and grade him negligent)

 

[MarcusP2]

Wellingham got 5 for his absolute shocker on Simpson...this being near that is ridiculous. Then so was Dougie's.

Edit: Also he broke Simpson's jaw and was judged severe.