Jack Viney

[go_the_dockers]

As I've said before, if Viney's brain works this fast he should be running the country.

Fair point, but listen to the MRP and they will say he chose to bump. It has to become second nature for all AFL players to not bump now, because if they bump and they injure a player they will get suspended.

 

[Kummerspeck]

The way I see it he was running toward Lynch, he saw him collect the ball he had the option of either tackling him or bump him.

Tackling was probably the easier option as all he had to do it open his arms and tackle him, but he chose to turn side ways and bump him.

No, it it wouldn't have been. He was moving across the contest, not directly at it. He had just shifted his weight entirely onto one leg and wasn't facing the contest. He couldn't have tackled just by opening his arms. Again, keep in mind this all happens in less than a second. Most people when looking at incidents like this can't come up with a clear way of executing the action they deem to have been the easiest option, even with the benefit of thinking time and slow motion replays. The contest came, he got himself as low as he could and slowed down his momentum. He may get a penalty, I don't know, but the idea that he could have tackled from his position isn't a great one.

 

[go_the_dockers]

No, it it wouldn't have been. He was moving across the contest, not directly at it. He had just shifted his weight entirely onto one leg and wasn't facing the contest. He couldn't have tackled just by opening his arms. Again, keep in mind this all happens in less than a second. Most people when looking at incidents like this can't come up with a clear way of executing the action they deem to have been the easiest option, even with the benefit of thinking time and slow motion replays. The contest came, he got himself as low as he could and slowed down his momentum. He may get a penalty, I don't know, but the idea that he could have tackled from his position isn't a great one.

I would argue he shifted his weight in preparation to bump, so he didn't have to do this.

 

[Kummerspeck]

I would argue he shifted his weight in preparation to bump, so he didn't have to do this.

Or because he was running across the contest.

 

[dav3]

He's tried to pull up, and pressure from Georgiou has made Lynch drop a little. It's a high-speed contact sport, this shit happens, anything more than a reprimand would be concerning.



....... and yes, jangofett struggles quite a bit.

 

[ptrg]

The way I see it he was running toward Lynch, he saw him collect the ball he had the option of either tackling him or bump him.

Incorrect.
They were both running for the loose, bouncing ball. It went Lynch's way, and Viney tried to pull up as much as possible.

 

[wittzy]

Isn't it bemusing that after the Richard Douglas incident, the Melbourne-centric Media Mafia were all over it.
A rabid attack on Douglas - constant footage - disparaging remarks on all channels and pathetic misrepresentation (15 metres off the ball!) on Sky News and predictably Ed & Dermie's derogatory comments on "Bit Weak in Footy". No sympathy for Richard Douglas - all sympathy for Callan Ward, who was assessed with concussion (after his head hit the ground) and was OK to play the next week.

Contrast that to Melbourne Media "curfew" on the Tom Lynch injury - concussion and broken jaw in 2 places on the left side of his face - the side that Jack Viney unfortunately hit him on. Despite the fact (Tom Lynch's broken Jaw) was on reported the AFL official website on Saturday night, this injury (and the consequences for Viney) were completely overlooked by the likes of Fox-Footy After the Bounce, Mark Stevens and Jon Ralphs (or anyone else) in their Sunday post-mortem wrap-ups. Why is that?

Whilst I sympathise with the Melbourne FC supporters on this incident, I feel you are deluding yourself if you believe Jack's actions will be unpenalised. I understand no malice was intended and it was a football collision. However despite the ridiculous and paranoid claims that Adelaide FC "doctor" their medical reports and that Jack did "NOT choose to bump" and it was a accident - I will take a "miracle" to avoid suspension.

The Sunday night Dr Peter Larkin medical report section appeared to be "pulled" from Fox Footy in Adelaide(?) .. but I did find in on the web. Eddie & Dermie tried to hide it away .. and predictably made no reference to the consequences for Jack Viney. I guess that makes them (along with Jon Ralphs & Mark Stevens - who also failed to mention any injury to Tom Lynch) heroes in the eyes of the Melbourne faithful. However, to the discerning Football public their (predictable) omissions is both disrespectful to Adelaide FC (& Tom Lych - not to mention Matthew Jaench) and Richard Douglas. It does serve however, to vulcanise the Melbourne-centric Media Mafia's lack of integrity, lack of courage and lack of professionalism.

http://mashery.news.com.au/image/v1...pg&width=900&api_key=6b3kx5b4adane6ngwk44bzwx

 

[Kummerspeck]

However despite the ridiculous and paranoid claims that Adelaide FC "doctor" their medical reports

Christ that'd shit if you if you were a club doctor.

 

[okeydoke7]

Ball wasn't being contested at all. He could of side stepped, could of tackled, or could of put his hands up to hold lynch off. Instead he decided to bump and drive his shoulder into lynch. 4+ weeks

You've broken this down into still frames and come to that analysis?

On the first still frame he is planting his foot at full flight. By the last still frame, he still hasn't put his second foot down. Have you ever played a game of footy or even sat close to the action before??

The MRP is a lotto, but I think he will escape sanction. Difference with this one is Lynch being tackled from behind. Unpredictable motion which leads to severity of contact. Viney braces rather then bumps, his bump doesn't cause the incident (accidental or otherwise), the cause was the tackle from behind coming at the same time in a very speedy contest for the ball.

These things happen in footy and there was no alternative (unlike when somebody genuinely bumps a player in possession rather than tackles, forcing a clash of heads, which is different from the above IMO).

 

[Demonheart]

If you elect to bump, according to the AFL any damage that occurs is your fault.

With Lynch's arm's pinned and being pushed down it was dangerous.

Force will be high, no argument against that. 3 points
Contact was high. 2 points

The only argument is between negligent conduct and reckless conduct, and at is quiet easy to see he could have tackled so I think it is reckless.

That is 7 points, and 4 weeks probably down to 2 weeks with an early plea.

Tackle?

FFS, the sad thing is you really believe that a tackle was a valid option in the scenario.

 

[Demonheart]

Isn't it bemusing that after the Richard Douglas incident, the Melbourne-centric Media Mafia were all over it.
A rabid attack on Douglas - constant footage - disparaging remarks on all channels and pathetic misrepresentation (15 metres off the ball!) on Sky News and predictably Ed & Dermie's derogatory comments on "Bit Weak in Footy". No sympathy for Richard Douglas - all sympathy for Callan Ward, who was assessed with concussion (after his head hit the ground) and was OK to play the next week.

Contrast that to Melbourne Media "curfew" on the Tom Lynch injury - concussion and broken jaw in 2 places on the left side of his face - the side that Jack Viney unfortunately hit him on. Despite the fact (Tom Lynch's broken Jaw) was on reported the AFL official website on Saturday night, this injury (and the consequences for Viney) were completely overlooked by the likes of Fox-Footy After the Bounce, Mark Stevens and Jon Ralphs (or anyone else) in their Sunday post-mortem wrap-ups. Why is that?

Whilst I sympathise with the Melbourne FC supporters on this incident, I feel you are deluding yourself if you believe Jack's actions will be unpenalised. I understand no malice was intended and it was a football collision. However despite the ridiculous and paranoid claims that Adelaide FC "doctor" their medical reports and that Jack did "NOT choose to bump" and it was a accident - I will take a "miracle" to avoid suspension.

The Sunday night Dr Peter Larkin medical report section appeared to be "pulled" from Fox Footy in Adelaide(?) .. but I did find in on the web. Eddie & Dermie tried to hide it away .. and predictably made no reference to the consequences for Jack Viney. I guess that makes them (along with Jon Ralphs & Mark Stevens - who also failed to mention any injury to Tom Lynch) heroes in the eyes of the Melbourne faithful. However, to the discerning Football public their (predictable) omissions is both disrespectful to Adelaide FC (& Tom Lych - not to mention Matthew Jaench) and Richard Douglas. It does serve however, to vulcanise the Melbourne-centric Media Mafia's lack of integrity, lack of courage and lack of professionalism.

http://mashery.news.com.au/image/v1/external?url=http://content4.video.news.com.au/foxsports/prod/archive/2014/05/05/DVU_040514_AFL_INJURY_UPDATE_RD_7_SOT.jpg&width=900&api_key=6b3kx5b4adane6ngwk44bzwx

Or perhpas you're wrong.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Isn't it bemusing that after the Richard Douglas incident, the Melbourne-centric Media Mafia were all over it.
A rabid attack on Douglas - constant footage - disparaging remarks on all channels and pathetic misrepresentation (15 metres off the ball!) on Sky News and predictably Ed & Dermie's derogatory comments on "Bit Weak in Footy". No sympathy for Richard Douglas - all sympathy for Callan Ward, who was assessed with concussion (after his head hit the ground) and was OK to play the next week.

Contrast that to Melbourne Media "curfew" on the Tom Lynch injury - concussion and broken jaw in 2 places on the left side of his face - the side that Jack Viney unfortunately hit him on. Despite the fact (Tom Lynch's broken Jaw) was on reported the AFL official website on Saturday night, this injury (and the consequences for Viney) were completely overlooked by the likes of Fox-Footy After the Bounce, Mark Stevens and Jon Ralphs (or anyone else) in their Sunday post-mortem wrap-ups. Why is that?

Whilst I sympathise with the Melbourne FC supporters on this incident, I feel you are deluding yourself if you believe Jack's actions will be unpenalised. I understand no malice was intended and it was a football collision. However despite the ridiculous and paranoid claims that Adelaide FC "doctor" their medical reports and that Jack did "NOT choose to bump" and it was a accident - I will take a "miracle" to avoid suspension.

The Sunday night Dr Peter Larkin medical report section appeared to be "pulled" from Fox Footy in Adelaide(?) .. but I did find in on the web. Eddie & Dermie tried to hide it away .. and predictably made no reference to the consequences for Jack Viney. I guess that makes them (along with Jon Ralphs & Mark Stevens - who also failed to mention any injury to Tom Lynch) heroes in the eyes of the Melbourne faithful. However, to the discerning Football public their (predictable) omissions is both disrespectful to Adelaide FC (& Tom Lych - not to mention Matthew Jaench) and Richard Douglas. It does serve however, to vulcanise the Melbourne-centric Media Mafia's lack of integrity, lack of courage and lack of professionalism.

http://mashery.news.com.au/image/v1/external?url=http://content4.video.news.com.au/foxsports/prod/archive/2014/05/05/DVU_040514_AFL_INJURY_UPDATE_RD_7_SOT.jpg&width=900&api_key=6b3kx5b4adane6ngwk44bzwx

Douglas chose to bump off the ball.

Viney did not choose to bump with the ball next to him.

 

[wittzy]

Or perhpas you're wrong.

Do you want to expand? Or (maybe in your particularly case) I may concede to be incorrect in including you in this comment ..
"Whilst I sympathise with the Melbourne FC supporters on this incident ..."

I fear for the deluded here, that actually believe that Lynch's left broken jaw, was caused by contact with Georgiou's Head .. not Viney's shoulder??? Or that Lynch is "soft" .... Really??

 

[ManWithNoName]

Do you want to expand? Or (maybe in your particularly case) I may concede to be incorrect in including you in this comment ..
"Whilst I sympathise with the Melbourne FC supporters on this incident ..."

I fear for the deluded here, that actually believe that Lynch's left broken jaw, was caused by contact with Georgiou's Head .. not Viney's shoulder??? Or that Lynch is "soft" .... Really??

Stop focusing on the consequence and focus on the action.

 

[wittzy]

Douglas chose to bump off the ball.

Viney did not choose to bump with the ball next to him.

Are you actually implying that "Viney did NOT choose to bump" ? REALLY? Did someone else "choose" that for him???

 

[ManWithNoName]

Are you actually implying that "Viney did NOT choose to bump" ? REALLY? Did someone else "choose" that for him???

No I'm not implying it. I'm stating it as an obvious fact.

 

[wittzy]

Please watch this (at about 4m:30s mark)... and show some sympathy for Tom Lynch ...
Here is the correct Video link ... with apologies for the Eddie M 'rubbish' on Dale Thomas in the lead-up ...
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/video...guhs3hyEkn4Vo7qpm/AFL-round-seven-injury-list

I'm NOT sure why (Foxtel)?, but this segment did not appear to make it air last night in Adelaide??

 

[ManWithNoName]

Please watch this (at about 4m:30s mark)... and show some sympathy for Tom Lynch ...
Here is the correct Video link ... with apologies for the Eddie M 'rubbish' on Dale Thomas in the lead-up ...
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/video...guhs3hyEkn4Vo7qpm/AFL-round-seven-injury-list

I'm NOT sure why (Foxtel)?, but this segment did not appear to make it air last night in Adelaide??

Sympathy for Tom Lynch has nothing to do with the decision surrounding Jack Viney. None. Of course everyone is sorry he's injured and out for so long, but that's completely separate to the discussion here.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Tackle?

FFS, the sad thing is you really believe that a tackle was a valid option in the scenario.

Yes if you can hip and shoulder a player, then you have the option to tackle. This is true 100% of the time (providing he has the ball)

Really the only thing the AFL MRP have to talk about is if it was negligent or reckless.

Fyfe was graded as reckless, and I see this on par with that one.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Stop focusing on the consequence and focus on the action.

I agree the AFL should, but they don't. So the force has to be high.

 

[wittzy]

Sympathy for Tom Lynch has nothing to do with the decision surrounding Jack Viney. None. Of course everyone is sorry he's injured and out for so long, but that's completely separate to the discussion here.

Oh You again, so ... after watching the video(s), you still feel Viney did NOT choose to bump?
You had better hope that the MRP are as myopic as you .. maybe you can apply for a job in the Melbourne-centric myopic media mafia ... you seem to fit the credentials ... LOL

BTW: You are also WRONG with "everyone is sorry he's injured" ... go back and check the comments particularly those of "soft" Wowlace. Unbelievable.

 

[ziad]

went to bump and accidentally got him high - guilty these days (but chocolate wheel yet to be spun)

medical report - broken jaw

doesn't look good in this post football era

 

[ptrg]

Watch the video, or even look at Jangos frames (posted more on the Adelaide forum):

Look at Viney, Lynch, and the corner of the centre square for reference.

Now notice through the frames that Viney doesn't move any closer to the corner (ie right side of screen), but rather he stays stationary, relative to Lynch who's moving away from the corner.

You can also see in the foreground a melbourne player jog past Viney, again showing that's he's slowed right up.

Honestly, take a look at the square and use it as a reference for who's moving where..

 

[Tulip]

Jack Viney being suspended for this won't make Lynch recover faster. I'm sure Lynch sees it as bad luck rather than malice.

 

[anditsadraw69]

Laughable Adelaide supporters comparing this to Douglas bump. Thought Douglas' hit was a cowardly act, bumping Ward who was not chasing and was not looking. Compared to this where Lynch actually had the ball in his posession, and as described by ptgr, had slowed down completely to reduce impact.