Jaeger O'Meara

[Strapping Young Lad]

Cheers for all the kind words. This has reached far further than I ever thought it would.

I've got a similar take on a whole range of other issues that I feel I might able to highlight with other AFL players if anyones interested.

Daniel Wells/Harley Bennell and their calves are one I've had my eye on for a while.

Any contact from people outside of BF?

 

[sven_inc]

Any contact from people outside of BF?

It's been amazing. A few interested parties. Not quite the holy (Glenferrie) grail yet but the article has only been live for just a couple of days!

Work your magic mate

 

[SSSSSS]

It's very rare to find genuinely good thought provoking insight on Bigfooty.

Kudos sven_inc. Hope the club get in touch with you.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Yes he did champ. Let's face it lance your just a bitter bombers supporter, who's team has not won a final in 13 years

No he didn't

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Pretty sure Burgoyne at no point throughout his career had the same injury as O'Meara does.

Burgoyne had bone bruising when he joined Hawthorn.

 

[sven_inc]

Hey OP I've been having knee pain for about 2-3 months now but it only really hurts doing squats or dead lifts so the sort of bending the knee and putting weight on legs motion.

Have been able to run fine during that time.

Also prior to that I was doing heavy leg weights once a week (squats, leg press, stiff legged deadlifts)

I had Osgood-Schlatter disease when I was a teenager but haven't had anything in about 10 years with pain from that area in my leg.

I was thinking maybe it flared up again? I went to the doctor and he did the movements for ligament/cartilage damage and nothing so not sure what is.

What do you think?

Hi mate, sorry I've only just seen your post.

Unfortunately It's inappropriate for me to give specific advice/try and diagnose things over the net . I wish I could, sorry.

If this isn't too token its best to get it sussed out in person.

FWIW - I look at Osgood Schlatters as exactly the same as Patella Tendonopathy just in a younger knee (I had it too). The best I can do is if you think it's the same or have it confirmed id ask my patients to get stuck into their back with a ball or foam roller and reassess their symptoms. I'd recommend it to anyone anyway just in case because it's safe and free and easy.

Apologies again but good luck with it.

 

[sven_inc]

Just on the co-authoring with a University, there is a push from the Federal Government to encourage academics to publish with industry (eg people such as the OP). I'd get on to it.

Great article by the way and I truly, truly hope the OP is on the money.

Thanks for posting mate. I've got such positive feedback im thinking of taking it further. Do you happen to have any more info on this? Feel free to PM me if you don't mind.

 

[The Lemon]

FWIW - I look at Osgood Schlatters as exactly the same as Patella Tendonopathy just in a younger knee (I had it too)

This was so painful. I had only blocked this from my mind

 

[Sydney Kicker]

Cheers for all the kind words. This has reached far further than I ever thought it would.

I've got a similar take on a whole range of other issues that I feel I might able to highlight with other AFL players if anyones interested.

Daniel Wells/Harley Bennell and their calves are one I've had my eye on for a while.

The solution with Harley seems to be more along the line of a frontal lobotomy.

More seriously great article - very interesting. Hope the Hawks look at this if they aren't already.

There's a NRL Supercoach site where a physio does some really interesting analysis of weekly injuries. You might find it interesting, I think it's great... http://www.nrlsupercoachtalk.com/category/weekly-posts/injury-report/

 

[ShanDog]

The Psoas does connect in and around here for sure. I agree that the AFL medicos would be all over that kind of thing, for sure. Nothing too new about that.

The way I see it is that the spinal stiffness most likely precedes what the Psos is up to ie. Free up the low back and the psoas frees up. The body generally priorities the spine first and any dysfunction works down the line from there. But thats what I'm finding nonetheless.

Love the write up.

I can definitely relate to where you talked about asymptomatic back issues and not realising they were there. About 6-8 years ago I was having horrible pain in my left hip flexor and groin area to the point where I dreaded climbing the one step from my patio to the front door. Through work, I had all manner of scans (x-ray, CAT, MRI with dye injections) and was referred on to Mathew Liptak for possible surgery as a result. The scans showed minor issues but nothing that could pinpoint the problem. Luckily, he made the call that it was more likely a biomechanical issue and sent me back to the physio I'd been seeing for the past 18 months or so.

I say lucky, but I was pissed at the time. The physio had done nothing for it. Fortunately, I had to shift work locations and as a result, had to see a new physio. This person looked at the history and said "Obviously, if the issue hasn't been sorted in two years, we've been barking up the wrong tree," so we started all over again. This guy asked when it hurt or flared up the most, and I figured it was after trying to bowl in cricket (which I'd totally given up on by then).

He's immediately said "Well let's have a look at your back, since that's where pace bowlers have the most trouble" and starting poking. He hit a spot in the lower of my back and I almost jumped off the table. He gives me a massage of that spot, some hot/cold treatment and I felt so good when I got off the table I almost cried.

The whole time, it was a tight lower back that I never actually felt pain in, and it took two years to find the one guy who figured it out in 10 minutes. Can't tell you the relief I had from that time on.




TL;DR version: I had a back related lower body issue once too. Nice article.

 

[AFLOnline]

I've had aching patella tendons for years. Been to plenty of doctors, physios, had scans on them done etc etc. basically diagnosed as Patella Tendonosis (although I know you don't like that word.)

Pretty much everyone just tells me to rest. I rest for a couple months, go back and play 1 game of basketball and they are sore and inflamed again? Rinse, repeat. I've been told it's too complicated and ineffective to have surgery on them... what else can I do?

Really starting to cut me down. Not even close to 30 yet.

 

[Fetnarr]

Love the write up.

I can definitely relate to where you talked about asymptomatic back issues and not realising they were there. About 6-8 years ago I was having horrible pain in my left hip flexor and groin area to the point where I dreaded climbing the one step from my patio to the front door. Through work, I had all manner of scans (x-ray, CAT, MRI with dye injections) and was referred on to Mathew Liptak for possible surgery as a result. The scans showed minor issues but nothing that could pinpoint the problem. Luckily, he made the call that it was more likely a biomechanical issue and sent me back to the physio I'd been seeing for the past 18 months or so.

I say lucky, but I was pissed at the time. The physio had done nothing for it. Fortunately, I had to shift work locations and as a result, had to see a new physio. This person looked at the history and said "Obviously, if the issue hasn't been sorted in two years, we've been barking up the wrong tree," so we started all over again. This guy asked when it hurt or flared up the most, and I figured it was after trying to bowl in cricket (which I'd totally given up on by then).

He's immediately said "Well let's have a look at your back, since that's where pace bowlers have the most trouble" and starting poking. He hit a spot in the lower of my back and I almost jumped off the table. He gives me a massage of that spot, some hot/cold treatment and I felt so good when I got off the table I almost cried.

The whole time, it was a tight lower back that I never actually felt pain in, and it took two years to find the one guy who figured it out in 10 minutes. Can't tell you the relief I had from that time on.




TL;DR version: I had a back related lower body issue once too. Nice article.

I'm glad you got your issue sorted but as a Physio myself these stories are so bloody frustrating! All hip/groin issues need a lower back assessment, especially with your history of bowling. On behalf of the Physio profession I apologize it took so long to get sorted for you! Good luck with it for the future mate!

 

[Fetnarr]

I've had aching patella tendons for years. Been to plenty of doctors, physios, had scans on them done etc etc. basically diagnosed as Patella Tedonitis (although I know you don't like that word.)

Pretty much everyone just tells me to rest. I rest for a couple months, go back and play 1 game of basketball and they are sore and inflamed again? Rinse, repeat. I've been told it's too complicated and ineffective to have surgery on them... what else can I do?

Really starting to cut me down. Not even close to 30 yet.

You need a thorough assessment of your feet, knees, hips and spine. Work out which areas are weak and restricted and get those sorted first. Then you need a structured strengthening program targeting the areas identified in the assessment and your quads. Tendons respond to loading and will strengthen over time but you will need to be patient, it won't happen in a month it will be more like 6 months. Go see a good sports Physio, if you live in Melbourne, Olympic Park Sports Medicine Centre is generally very good. My advice is to see a sports Physio, pay the extra money if you have to it will save you in the long run. Also if you are still in pain shockwave therapy can work well in reducing inflammation and pain in tendons.
Make sure your diagnosis is correct before doing any of the above and obviously follow the plan set out by your Physio.
All the best!
Kinda feel like I just rained on Sven's parade here! Haha!

 

[ShanDog]

I'm glad you got your issue sorted but as a Physio myself these stories are so bloody frustrating! All hip/groin issues need a lower back assessment, especially with your history of bowling. On behalf of the Physio profession I apologize it took so long to get sorted for you! Good luck with it for the future mate!

Yep, really frustrating but I know what it now now and can sort it out myself which is great! I should have pushed to get a second opinion after a while but it doesn't really work like that in my workplace unfortunately.

 

[AFLOnline]

You need a thorough assessment of your feet, knees, hips and spine. Work out which areas are weak and restricted and get those sorted first. Then you need a structured strengthening program targeting the areas identified in the assessment and your quads. Tendons respond to loading and will strengthen over time but you will need to be patient, it won't happen in a month it will be more like 6 months. Go see a good sports Physio, if you live in Melbourne, Olympic Park Sports Medicine Centre is generally very good. My advice is to see a sports Physio, pay the extra money if you have to it will save you in the long run. Also if you are still in pain shockwave therapy can work well in reducing inflammation and pain in tendons.
Make sure your diagnosis is correct before doing any of the above and obviously follow the plan set out by your Physio.
All the best!
Kinda feel like I just rained on Sven's parade here! Haha!

Thanks mate, I'm not from the city. Know any decent sports physios eastern side of Melbourne?

 

[Fetnarr]

Thanks mate, I'm not from the city. Know any decent sports physios eastern side of Melbourne?

Where abouts?

 

[Fetnarr]

Thanks mate, I'm not from the city. Know any decent sports physios eastern side of Melbourne?

I studied in Melbourne but have lived on the Gold Coast for the last 13 years so not overly familiar. But I do know Brad is a very good sports Physio at Sportsfit Physio and Health in Glen Iris, if that helps.

 

[sven_inc]

Love the write up.

I can definitely relate to where you talked about asymptomatic back issues and not realising they were there. About 6-8 years ago I was having horrible pain in my left hip flexor and groin area to the point where I dreaded climbing the one step from my patio to the front door. Through work, I had all manner of scans (x-ray, CAT, MRI with dye injections) and was referred on to Mathew Liptak for possible surgery as a result. The scans showed minor issues but nothing that could pinpoint the problem. Luckily, he made the call that it was more likely a biomechanical issue and sent me back to the physio I'd been seeing for the past 18 months or so.

I say lucky, but I was pissed at the time. The physio had done nothing for it. Fortunately, I had to shift work locations and as a result, had to see a new physio. This person looked at the history and said "Obviously, if the issue hasn't been sorted in two years, we've been barking up the wrong tree," so we started all over again. This guy asked when it hurt or flared up the most, and I figured it was after trying to bowl in cricket (which I'd totally given up on by then).

He's immediately said "Well let's have a look at your back, since that's where pace bowlers have the most trouble" and starting poking. He hit a spot in the lower of my back and I almost jumped off the table. He gives me a massage of that spot, some hot/cold treatment and I felt so good when I got off the table I almost cried.

The whole time, it was a tight lower back that I never actually felt pain in, and it took two years to find the one guy who figured it out in 10 minutes. Can't tell you the relief I had from that time on.




TL;DR version: I had a back related lower body issue once too. Nice article.

Brilliant to hear it ended up well for you mate! [emoji106]

 

[sven_inc]

I've had aching patella tendons for years. Been to plenty of doctors, physios, had scans on them done etc etc. basically diagnosed as Patella Tendonosis (although I know you don't like that word.)

Pretty much everyone just tells me to rest. I rest for a couple months, go back and play 1 game of basketball and they are sore and inflamed again? Rinse, repeat. I've been told it's too complicated and ineffective to have surgery on them... what else can I do?

Really starting to cut me down. Not even close to 30 yet.

Any issue can definitely be a massive frustration if your not feeling like it's being sorted out for you. Feel for you mate. My experience tells me its often a lot more positive than it seems - potentially because the industry as a whole can be terrible at times.

See if the article applies to you, if it's been years it may still potentially be the linchpin that sets things in motion. If the tendons have been a bit dodgy for years they may have to remodel themselves eventually but that doesn't necessarily mean they still have to hurt.

One thing I have learnt over the years is if you've had plenty of frustration about the knee im sure people have got your hopes up only to let u down in the end. Hopefully this isn't another one of those but at least give the back stuff a run and see what you can do at home. Good luck with it. [emoji109]

 

[sven_inc]

You need a thorough assessment of your feet, knees, hips and spine. Work out which areas are weak and restricted and get those sorted first. Then you need a structured strengthening program targeting the areas identified in the assessment and your quads. Tendons respond to loading and will strengthen over time but you will need to be patient, it won't happen in a month it will be more like 6 months. Go see a good sports Physio, if you live in Melbourne, Olympic Park Sports Medicine Centre is generally very good. My advice is to see a sports Physio, pay the extra money if you have to it will save you in the long run. Also if you are still in pain shockwave therapy can work well in reducing inflammation and pain in tendons.
Make sure your diagnosis is correct before doing any of the above and obviously follow the plan set out by your Physio.
All the best!
Kinda feel like I just rained on Sven's parade here! Haha!

My parade is free to be rained on by anyone mate! If a thread like this gives even 1 person a leg up then im all in.

 

[sven_inc]

Thanks mate, I'm not from the city. Know any decent sports physios eastern side of Melbourne?

Im sure this wasn't what you were after mate but im south east down on the mornington peninsula. Can't recommend too many closer to the city unfortunately, but feel free to PM if you need to chat.

 

[WatWouldCyrilDo]

I've had aching patella tendons for years. Been to plenty of doctors, physios, had scans on them done etc etc. basically diagnosed as Patella Tendonosis (although I know you don't like that word.)

Pretty much everyone just tells me to rest. I rest for a couple months, go back and play 1 game of basketball and they are sore and inflamed again? Rinse, repeat. I've been told it's too complicated and ineffective to have surgery on them... what else can I do?

Really starting to cut me down. Not even close to 30 yet.

Not a physio, but have you tried using patella straps?

I've had "patella tendinitis" for a few years.. physios haven't really been able to help.. however the straps work really well for me. Have allowed me to play basketball and go running again.

 

[AFLOnline]

Not a physio, but have you tried using patella straps?

I've had "patella tendinitis" for a few years.. physios haven't really been able to help.. however the straps work really well for me. Have allowed me to play basketball and go running again.

Yeah my old football trainer use to do this and it really helped me get through games. However the strapping seems complicated and without having a trainer for basketball, it would be difficult for me to do it myself personally.

I can definitely see why they call it 'Basketballers Knee' though.

 

[Aeglos]

I've had aching patella tendons for years. Been to plenty of doctors, physios, had scans on them done etc etc. basically diagnosed as Patella Tendonosis (although I know you don't like that word.)

Pretty much everyone just tells me to rest. I rest for a couple months, go back and play 1 game of basketball and they are sore and inflamed again? Rinse, repeat. I've been told it's too complicated and ineffective to have surgery on them... what else can I do?

Really starting to cut me down. Not even close to 30 yet.

As a physio friend of mine says; if your car has a flat tyre, and you leave it for a month when you go back to drive it the tyre will still be flat!

Anyway, if you're out Ringwood way Tom Purcell is who I'd see for a physio.

 

[stfan]

mmmm Hawks just announced that JOM has injured his patella tendon again.

That is on top of his recent bone bruising injury.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-20/new-knee-drama-for-hawk-jaegers-season-in-peril


"It's a new injury, different to what he had before," he said, referring to the injury that kept him out of the 2015 and 2016 seasons when he played for Gold Coast.