Jeremy Corbyn, former UK Opposition Leader

[medusala]

Anti-Semitism was a beat up by those angry Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn won't give Israel a free pass and a shield for MPs who will be deselected for not accepting the left wing reality of the party.

Nothing anti semitic about calling Hamaz and Hizbollah your friends, nothing anti semitic about laying a wreath at the grave of an organiser of the Munich massacre, nothing anti semitic about having 673 anti semitic complaints made to the party in the last 10 months.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

And your Queen is anti-Protestant for paying her respects to IRA dead

 

[Balls In]

Just because the EU isn't bending over backwards to help out the UK doesn't mean they are negotiating in bad faith. The UK seems to think it can have favourable trade and travel conditions for itself while imposing whatever conditions it wants on the EU. That's the lie that was sold to the British people, this scenario was always going to play out pretty much as it is. The EU is within its rights to look after its members.

Bullshit

 

[Balls In]

Whats this exodus of 7 Labour MPs about? "Under Corban the party has been captured by the machine mechanism if the hard left". Ugly business.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Whats this exodus of 7 Labour MPs about? "Under Corban the party has been captured by the machine mechanism if the hard left". Ugly business.

Corbyn represents the fact that the party has been taken back by its members from the Blairite hijackers.
Good to see the last of the Blairite traitors, they should have had the guts to go all the way over to the Tories.

 

[medusala]

Corbyn represents the fact that the party has been taken back by its members from the Blairite hijackers.
Good to see the last of the Blairite traitors, they should have had the guts to go all the way over to the Tories.

The last? Still quite a few left. The Tories wouldnt take them. Soubry, Boles and Woolacott and Grieve can join them in purgatory.

Cant see Corbyn agreeing to a referendum now (not that he was keen before) given that Chuka has basically been the public face of another referendum.

 

[FredLeDeux]

The last? Still quite a few left. The Tories wouldnt take them. Soubry, Boles and Woolacott and Grieve can join them in purgatory.

Cant see Corbyn agreeing to a referendum now (not that he was keen before) given that Chuka has basically been the public face of another referendum.

There was never any reasonably foreseeable scenario in which either party's leadership would agree to another referendum.
Apart from the unpredictability of any result, it would be politically impossible for either leader to campaign strongly either for or against brexit - and that's regardless of their personal feelings about the issue..
And meanwhile, back at the ranch, Farage and his henchmen have been systematically campaigning in working class districts about "betrayals" with scripts straight out of the old nazi/fascist playbooks.

 

[medusala]

And meanwhile, back at the ranch, Farage and his henchmen have been systematically campaigning in working class districts about "betrayals" with scripts straight out of the old nazi/fascist playbooks.

That's amusing on a day people resigned due to industrial scale anti semitism in the labour party.

 

[FredLeDeux]

That's amusing on a day people resigned due to industrial scale anti semitism in the labour party.

Both propositions are bs.
All the screams about anti-semitism were the usual sheer propaganda conflation of anti-Israel and anti-semitism, made in order to force the party into a strong pro-Israel stance under the guise of an anti-semitism policy.

 

[its free real estate]

He’s cooked.

 

[Elroo]

He’s cooked.

Hopefully as Ive never seen the attraction of Corbyn as a potential leader for the UK. Ditto good old Boris aswell, if they are the best the UK has to offer, they are in trouble.

 

[its free real estate]

Hopefully as Ive never seen the attraction of Corbyn as a potential leader for the UK. Ditto good old Boris aswell, if they are the best the UK has to offer, they are in trouble.

Don’t particularly mind him one way or another, but if your party is falling apart against the flailing Theresa May, then you’re politically hopeless.

Labour are dead as a party imo, the Corbynites hate the Blairites and vice versa, the working class want Brexit, the chattering classes of London and multicultural bloc don’t. Too many fault lines, irrecoverable saving some kind of overall transformation of the party.

 

[Elroo]

Don’t particularly mind him one way or another, but if your party is falling apart against the flailing Theresa May, then you’re politically hopeless.

Labour are dead as a party imo, the Corbynites hate the Blairites and vice versa, the working class want Brexit, the chattering classes of London and multicultural bloc don’t. Too many fault lines, irrecoverable saving some kind of overall transformation of the party.

Yep this!

If you're the leader of the opposition in the UK right now, and you're struggling against May, then you're hopeless.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Yep this!

If you're the leader of the opposition in the UK right now, and you're struggling against May, then you're hopeless.

No, that's not the case.

No labour party leader could successfully lead the party unless and until the brexit issue is resolved, because of the fundamental difference between what its members overwhelmingly want - remain - and what its traditional working class voters overwhelmingly want - leave.

Hopefully this current walkout by the blairite rubbish will lance the boil, get rid of the poison and allow the members/voters to re-align once brexit is settled.

 

[ep2018]

I dont understand this bloke, he'd have the next election on a plate if he only came out against Brexit.

I wonder who or what has him by the balls.

 

[smokingjacket]

I dont understand this bloke, he'd have the next election on a plate if he only came out against Brexit.

I wonder who or what has him by the balls.

If you read any of the posts on this page you might find out haha. His base is split almost straight down the middle between (in a crude generality) progressive cosmopolitans of the big cities who are opposed to any sort of Brexit deal, and will really only be placated by a re-vote; and the northern working class who voted for Brexit by a healthy majority, continue to support it, and will likely punish any Labour leader who makes themmself the face of the anti-Brexit vote. The risk is greater than a single election though. Once they've cleared the psychological barrier of voting for someone else out of rage, there's the risk that a Labour anti-Brexit position could lose large parts of the northern working class vote forever, dooming them to irrelevence as a party that can't hold power on their own again.

Rock and a hard place situation.

 

[AM]

Yep! Gutless wonders who are only there because they stood under the Labor banner. Not one has the decency to go to a byelection cos they are weak as.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

 

[FredLeDeux]

Yep! Gutless wonders who are only there because they stood under the Labor banner. Not one has the decency to go to a byelection cos they are weak as.

The Momentum mob nailed them; a “fringe minority of MPs” who wanted to go back to the “Blair years programme of privatisation, tax cuts for the rich and deregulation of the banks”.

 

[its free real estate]

Whatever you think about Tony Blair, he’s the only Labor leader to win an election in more than 40 years.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Whatever you think about Tony Blair, he’s the only Labor leader to win an election in more than 40 years.

It's a very old argument in labor politics, what should you do to win elections in democracies.
Some old book even predicted the Blair hijack:
For what shall it profit a party, if it shall gain the whole world, and lose its own soul?

 

[smokingjacket]

Whatever you think about Tony Blair, he’s the only Labor leader to win an election in more than 40 years.

Say what you will about the Labour Party of that time, they had a sense of party discipline in pursuit of power. The Blairite wing have been flapping about in an extended tantrum and repeatedly undermined their own leader and party messaging when the whole country should be focused on the slow motion train wreck across the aisle.

 

[The Warlord]

Said it the whole time, Corbyn is a deadshit who will take them nowhere.

 

[The Warlord]

I notice Derek Hatton has been welcomed back to the fold.

Dearie dearie me.

 

[smokingjacket]

Said it the whole time, Corbyn is a deadshit who will take them nowhere.

Every time he gets some clear air to advocate for Labour policies the party's popularity increases.

I find it hard to judge what sort of electoral potential he has considering the external and internal chaos.