Jesse Hogan(mini-draft)- priority for us

[democritus]

At the beginning of the year, Moller was rated much higher than he is now.
He hasn't been able to show his wares due to injury and other players have emerged.
I think the fact that he's still very lightly framed also has pushed him down the pecking order a little.
Still think we've got ourselves a bargain here.

 

[WAguru]

At the beginning of the year, Moller was rated much higher than he is now.
He hasn't been able to show his wares due to injury and other players have emerged.
I think the fact that he's still very lightly framed also has pushed him down the pecking order a little.
Still think we've got ourselves a bargain here.

Myles Bolger has feet like honeycomb, there's a shortage of rucks out there and Moller is at a premium.

 

[raffrox]

Myles Bolger has feet like honeycomb, there's a shortage of rucks out there and Moller is at a premium.

I don't disagree that he's not a good get but he's not mini-draft quality.

 

[democritus]

I understand where you're coming from, this year is rated as exceptional for mids, so-so for KPPs and pretty poor for rucks.

However, just because there aren't many doesn't immediately elevate you above superior, albeit more readily available talent.Hence why Myles Bolger went undrafted last year even though rucks were pretty hard to come by.

I reckon Moller should be rated higher, but I'm not keen on packaging him up to GWS anyway. We've got him as a rookie, which is great value to us, sod the rest.

 

[rgauci]

I posted this in the draft and trading board:

Wonder if we'll do a double dip with GWS similar to what Brisbane did with gold coast. They have already stolen Palmer so will need our permission to take any further players. Potentially playing out like the following:

Ibbotson to GWS
End of first round selection to us from AFL (compensation pick)

Deal Part 2:
Compensation pick, 1st rounder and Moller to GWS
2nd mini-draft pick (Jesse Hogan / Jack Martin) to us

End result:
From our end: Ibbotson + 1st round selection + Moller = Jesse Hogan
From their end: 2nd Mini-draft pick = Ibbotson, compensation pick, 1st round selection, Moller

May not involve the players suggested or the draft picks, but i think the 'double dip' will be used by a few clubs around the country.

 

[Dormammu]

Keep Moller, pass on whatever we get for Roberton.

 

[blue shark]

Sandi and Griffen are both injury prone, or Sandi could be retired in a few years. With Moller, Clarke, Griffen, we woud still have ruck
dominace. Moller is a genuine forward/ruck who knows the game, and has elite speed, x factor, and has shown loyalty. If we thought Mitch Clarke was the answer, isnt this guy similar?
Hogan will take years to be ready for AFL, and his set shot kicking needs major work, at great cost. I think we are ready to challenge now, forget about this bidding war, and concentrate on the draft, rookie list, the things we have done well for several years.

 

[PapaJ]

At the beginning of the year, Moller was rated much higher than he is now.
He hasn't been able to show his wares due to injury and other players have emerged.
I think the fact that he's still very lightly framed also has pushed him down the pecking order a little.
Still think we've got ourselves a bargain here.

Yeah, I'm probably going on that sort of sense so maybe I'm over rating Moller. Also, if Moller is happy with us (and it would seem he is), it's good to have a player who's has been purple blooded early on. That in itself is worth something. I still reckon if we have to start talking more than Moller+1st rounder then it's just not worth it.

 

[strobe00]

I think we are ready to challenge now, forget about this bidding war, and concentrate on the draft, rookie list, the things we have done well for several years.

If Clarke was prepared to go, and all it cost us was Clarke + first rounder to grab Hogan then I could cop that.

But anything more than that, as you say, get out of the bidding war and recruit like we have been the last couple of years.

It'd be great to grab a really promising KPF cheaply. But there is at least one leper club potentially vieing for that second pick, and we can't compete with what they'll be prepared to pay if it comes down to it. Walk away from the minidraft if it becomes a bidding war, pick up a decent KP or two via trade, PSD and/or ND and back the club to get them up to speed.

 

[democritus]

Hogan will take years to be ready for AFL, and his set shot kicking needs major work, at great cost. I think we are ready to challenge now, forget about this bidding war, and concentrate on the draft, rookie list, the things we have done well for several years.

Disagree, about Hogan taking years to be AFL ready.
He'll be good to go in 2013, in fact if AFL policy allowed it he'd be good to go as early as next season.
Someone has mentioned it, but I really think Jesse would have more impact in his first year than Shaw even would in his second.

Aside from Stringer I don't think many tall forwards from this years draft will be ready to go this year, so none will really feature in our best 22 at all. If we're serious about our long-term future Hogan is the best prospect, however we don't want to sell the farm to get him either. Quite a quandary.

 

[SHill Shall]

Any individual that can run 3.5 min kms while weighing in at nearly 100 kgs is going to be a threat at AFL level (providing they're even remotely co-ordinated). Will be happy to sort his kicking out in time

 

[Patty_Moz]

Disagree, about Hogan taking years to be AFL ready.
He'll be good to go in 2013, in fact if AFL policy allowed it he'd be good to go as early as next season.
Someone has mentioned it, but I really think Jesse would have more impact in his first year than Shaw even would in his second.

Aside from Stringer I don't think many tall forwards from this years draft will be ready to go this year, so none will really feature in our best 22 at all. If we're serious about our long-term future Hogan is the best prospect, however we don't want to sell the farm to get him either. Quite a quandary.

Agree with what your saying and want Hogan more than any of the others however despite Hogan being ready to go but I'm not sure how much effect he will have in his 1st yr. Patton was supposed to be ready to go had little effect (injuries), Darling had an outstanding first yr as a KPF and only managed about 25 goals.

Hogan is not overly tall for a KPF and will have to learn how to deal with KPD's that are taller than him which is something he won't have had to do in the juniors.

Still not convinced we have the currency to get him it would take our first pick plus quality- Clarke or maybe Morabito.

 

[free at last]

Agree with what your saying and want Hogan more than any of the others however despite Hogan being ready to go but I'm not sure how much effect he will have in his 1st yr. Patton was supposed to be ready to go had little effect (injuries), Darling had an outstanding first yr as a KPF and only managed about 25 goals.

Hogan is not overly tall for a KPF and will have to learn how to deal with KPD's that are taller than him which is something he won't have had to do in the juniors.

Still not convinced we have the currency to get him it would take our first pick plus quality- Clarke or maybe Morabito.

Having two pre-seasons under his belt will have hogan so readied for AFL Footy.

Jesse's height is 193cm no problems there either IMO.Drafting this kid will be a massive coup for us.

 

[Patty_Moz]

Good point FAL I got confused with Stringer who's 191ish, agree he would be a massive coup but still not convinced about 1st yr impact. Also not sure if we have the currency.

 

[kp junior]

Having two pre-seasons under his belt will have hogan so readied for AFL Footy.

Jesse's height is 193cm no problems there either IMO.Drafting this kid will be a massive coup for us.

can you confirm that height? I thought he'd been listed at 190-191?

 

[yakka man]

can you confirm that height? I thought he'd been listed at 190-191?

He's definitely 193cm's and 97Kg's. As a bottom ager he could grow more.

 

[free at last]

Good point FAL I got confused with Stringer who's 191ish, agree he would be a massive coup but still not convinced about 1st yr impact. Also not sure if we have the currency.

Not sure we've got the currency either.I think the AFL site said us,Melbourne,brissy and Geelong are keen on the final pick in the MD. Melbourne have a scully compo pick and the cats have an ablett compo pick.

 

[Dockernut]

He's definitely 193cm's and 97Kg's. As a bottom ager he could grow more.

Pudding guts! 97kg!!! This kid could end up like Lockett.

...or Brownless.

 

[Dormammu]

...or Brownless.

Aww, why did ya have to go and say something like that for?

 

[Nickos66]

At this point, with all those clubs with more compo picks/better picks than us - I think realistically the best outcome we can hope for is that someone takes this Josh Kelly kid instead of Hogan.

Not that we'd be a realistic chance to snag Hogan next year if he stays true to form and so do we.. But then the questions of whether he's worth picking up start to simmer if he has a less than outstanding year next year, ala Shaw, Darling etc, you're either damned if you do, or damned if you don't - it seems.

 

[WAguru]

Fremantle will do everything to secure Hogan in the mini draft, of that I am certain.

 

[DOCKERZ]

Fremantle will do everything to secure Hogan in the mini draft, of that I am certain.

Everything?

 

[Nickos66]

Fremantle will do everything to secure Hogan in the mini draft, of that I am certain.

I read that as 'try to'.

That they will, that's undeniable.

 

[chinggis77]

Sandi and Griffen are both injury prone, or Sandi could be retired in a few years. With Moller, Clarke, Griffen, we woud still have ruck
dominace. Moller is a genuine forward/ruck who knows the game, and has elite speed, x factor, and has shown loyalty. If we thought Mitch Clarke was the answer, isnt this guy similar?
Hogan will take years to be ready for AFL, and his set shot kicking needs major work, at great cost. I think we are ready to challenge now, forget about this bidding war, and concentrate on the draft, rookie list, the things we have done well for several years.

194cm, 97kg power athlete who ran a 14.4 beep test today. Kid will make a bigger impact than Darling did from the start.

Reckon Pick 16 and Moller will get it done, but then that may be paying overs. Got to remember, Moller will be a bit of a poster boy for GWS as he is from greater western Sydney.

Maybe Pick 16, Moller for Jesse Hogan and Tom Lee.

 

[Such is life Ben]

I think from the looks of it, Mini draft pick 2 (Hogan) for Clarke and first round pick would be a win for Freo, but not sure that would be enough to get the deal done? If Geelong offer up the Ablett pick would that trump it? (depending on how much GWS want a ruck man). Not bad for Freo, Clarke probs still fringe next year with Sandi and Griffen and Moller good insurance after that.

If you guys dont get the mini draft pick, what other KPPs would you be looking at at pick 16 in your opinions?