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Prediction Jesse Hogan

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I want to see the club use him properly.

If all we do is bomb it to packs Hogan like McCarthy before him doesn’t stand a chance. Decent defences always find a way to turn these sh*tty high bombs (which is a good 50% of forward entires if not more) into an outnumber in their favour.

He isn’t playing well but our team’s method going inside fifty doesn’t help when contested marking isn’t his strength. He’ll be just as frustrating as McCarthy if we don’t change the way we deliver it to him.
 
Docker82 said:
I want to see the club use him properly.

If all we do is bomb it to packs Hogan like McCarthy before him doesn’t stand a chance. Decent defences always find a way to turn these sh*tty high bombs (which is a good 50% of forward entires if not more) into an outnumber in their favour.

He isn’t playing well but our team’s method going inside fifty doesn’t help when contested marking isn’t his strength. He’ll be just as frustrating as McCarthy if we don’t change the way we deliver it to him.
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Matera and walters seem to be able lead and find space, and Tabs workrate gets him into the game, this game after halftime it felt like the mids were avoiding kicking it too him, which was probably wise as he was losing most contests. Sad to see, his confidence is on the floor, but seems to drop the bundle a bit.
 

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longsuffreosupp said:
He went down to the rooms during the 4th quarter. Anyone reckon he might have something still have something sore in the foot, hence all the handballs?
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He’s been limping the past few games.

Lyon probably wanted to talk to him about his head space.

I really hope things come together for him soon. I’m glad Lyon stood up for him and I’m confident he’ll work with him, for his sake and Freo’s.

I’m looking forward to the exciting and talented Jesse. I would hate for him to feel the need to retire early because of his anxiety etc


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Schauermann said:
8 handballs is decent for a key forward. Only needs to add 10 kicks, 8 marks and 3 goals...
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I think the 8 handballs are a more damning stat on our midfield delivery to our forwards than any one forwards performance.

If he's not given proper opportunities to mark the ball then how do we expect him to get kicks. I think maybe he had 4 total contests one on one and he didn't win any against a very good defender in Andrews. I would have liked to see him win at least 2, so that's a bit disappointing, but he was overall starved of any real opportunity all game, all our big forwards were.
 
The delivery sucks. Period. The fact Fyfe and Mundy just blindly kick instead of seeing Hogan on the lead. Is embarrassing. It’s frustrating too that we tend to play the long, risky, maybe option when lower your eyes, kick it low and play the better option.
Hogan has had no pre season. Yes he’s been in the system a few years but gee in AFL you get found out if you’re even 5% unfit.
Im backing him. His best is coming. The delivery has to be better, he’s not Pavlich. Without Tabs, he’s the tall forward. It’s a huge dent. Tabs not only did the work but he blanketed Cox and Hogab to do their thing. Lobb has to go forward with Jones coming in.
 
Cesoir said:
Not that long ago most were predicting he wouldn't play before the bye, now we have people on here who just want to tear him down because he's not tearing it up yet. For years we have been screaming for a quality tall forward, now we have one.
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He’s not playing like a quality tall forward though.

If he’s injured he shouldn’t be out there. Risking a huge recruit just to appease fans and get him out there is ludicrous. It’s not an excuse.

Our delivery is terrible because there are rarely options down there. We break down at half forward. Sonny Walters and Bradley Hill running into the 50 leading toward the goal after running through the midfield is ludicrous. We have no crumbing options. No real leads. A coach should be sorting that out - it’s his job.

But of course this forum says it’s not the coach. Says it’s not the player. So what the **** is it?
 
Silent Alarm said:
But of course this forum says it’s not the coach. Says it’s not the player. So what the **** is it?
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A combination of the two compounded by the issue that right now we are a Frankenstein stitched together team of either very young or new recruits still learning to work with each other and develop synergy. It's fair to say this might take more than 10 games.
 

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I'm not sure if people bagging Hogan actually go to games, and if they do, whether they watch what is happening ahead of the ball. It is incredibly difficult for him with the service he gets. Sometimes I thought he gave up front spot a bit too easily, but there were at least 6-7 times when he had very good position inside 50 on the lead or 1-on-1 with space, and every single time the delivery was awful or non-existent. He could have easily ended up with a brace of goals.

I watched a replay and when you see Cox play on from a mark and get pinged, what you don't see is Hogan standing in miles of space near the goalsquare. Cox obviously knows what it is like (several times he was 1-on-1 with Hodge, and they never got the ball down to him) and while it looked horrible, he was just trying to give Hogan a chance.
 
Alfonz said:
I'm not sure if people bagging Hogan actually go to games, and if they do, whether they watch what is happening ahead of the ball. It is incredibly difficult for him with the service he gets. Sometimes I thought he gave up front spot a bit too easily, but there were at least 6-7 times when he had very good position inside 50 on the lead or 1-on-1 with space, and every single time the delivery was awful or non-existent. He could have easily ended up with a brace of goals.

I watched a replay and when you see Cox play on from a mark and get pinged, what you don't see is Hogan standing in miles of space near the goalsquare. Cox obviously knows what it is like (several times he was 1-on-1 with Hodge, and they never got the ball down to him) and while it looked horrible, he was just trying to give Hogan a chance.
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Haven't see this game yet but that was the impression I got last week.

Was paying him a bit of attention and he's not being utilised well. He's largely doing his forwards' job but our ball use stinks
 
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Alfonz said:
I'm not sure if people bagging Hogan actually go to games, and if they do, whether they watch what is happening ahead of the ball. It is incredibly difficult for him with the service he gets. Sometimes I thought he gave up front spot a bit too easily, but there were at least 6-7 times when he had very good position inside 50 on the lead or 1-on-1 with space, and every single time the delivery was awful or non-existent. He could have easily ended up with a brace of goals.

I watched a replay and when you see Cox play on from a mark and get pinged, what you don't see is Hogan standing in miles of space near the goalsquare. Cox obviously knows what it is like (several times he was 1-on-1 with Hodge, and they never got the ball down to him) and while it looked horrible, he was just trying to give Hogan a chance.
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Cheers. It is difficult to know that from watching televised games, so appreciate the insight. But I also think he is well below what he can produce.

Good delivery should give a forward a better than 50;50 chance. Poor delivery should still be around 50;50, with the advantage going to defenders because they don't have to win it, they have to stop the forward winning it, which is much easier.
 
I'd start him the midfield to get him into the game before pushing him forward.

Getting a few touches early on can help the confidence i reckon
 
Roos who has coached Hogan said that Jesse has missed a lot of footy in the last two years, prior to that when he never had the issues he’s had he was the best young Key forward he’s coached.

He Also said part of the problem with him is that last year he was played further up the ground instead of his normal position, so he’s probably a bit out of whack atm, Roos seems to think in another three weeks he’ll be back some where near his best.
 

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Demons09 said:
He Also said part of the problem with him is that last year he was played further up the ground instead of his normal position, so he’s probably a bit out of whack atm, Roos seems to think in another three weeks he’ll be back some where near his best.
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Agree. I think Jesse is being played because the club has been advised it is the best thing to do for his mental health and to get him back to peak fitness. But he needs to get decent ball.

The things killing Jesse's chances:
1. Our midfield doesn't know how to kick to a leading player, which is why Wilson/Ryan/Hill busting through the midfield is so important.
2. The forwards need to lead to different parts of the 50 rather than all run around like schoolkids chasing the first player off the mark.
 
FreoRicci said:
The delivery sucks. Period. The fact Fyfe and Mundy just blindly kick instead of seeing Hogan on the lead. Is embarrassing. It’s frustrating too that we tend to play the long, risky, maybe option when lower your eyes, kick it low and play the better option.
Hogan has had no pre season. Yes he’s been in the system a few years but gee in AFL you get found out if you’re even 5% unfit.
Im backing him. His best is coming. The delivery has to be better, he’s not Pavlich. Without Tabs, he’s the tall forward. It’s a huge dent. Tabs not only did the work but he blanketed Cox and Hogab to do their thing. Lobb has to go forward with Jones coming in.
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I'm in agreement with you except that Jones in Hogan out . Hogan did almost no preseason and lacks the fitness to compete at AFL level right now . It would not hurt him to play 2 or 3 games for Peel to get his confidence back as well . Jones will compete in the ruck against Grundy but not beat him . Lobb
won't get many taps either so we are better with Lobb up forward .
 
couldhavebeen said:
I'm in agreement with you except that Jones in Hogan out . Hogan did almost no preseason and lacks the fitness to compete at AFL level right now . It would not hurt him to play 2 or 3 games for Peel to get his confidence back as well . Jones will compete in the ruck against Grundy but not beat him . Lobb
won't get many taps either so we are better with Lobb up forward .
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I don't really want to see this, but it is probably worth a try at some point, and this is not a bad game to try it.
 
couldhavebeen said:
I'm in agreement with you except that Jones in Hogan out . Hogan did almost no preseason and lacks the fitness to compete at AFL level right now . It would not hurt him to play 2 or 3 games for Peel to get his confidence back as well . Jones will compete in the ruck against Grundy but not beat him . Lobb
won't get many taps either so we are better with Lobb up forward .
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Who will skipper the tug that you will need to turn him. Jones is a slower version of Hannath plus he can't jump. Grundy would take Jones apart.
 
couldhavebeen said:
I'm in agreement with you except that Jones in Hogan out . Hogan did almost no preseason and lacks the fitness to compete at AFL level right now . It would not hurt him to play 2 or 3 games for Peel to get his confidence back as well . Jones will compete in the ruck against Grundy but not beat him . Lobb
won't get many taps either so we are better with Lobb up forward .
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You have stopped taking your medicine again. Jones is barely WAFL standard. Grundy would destroy him.

I'd almost rather couldhavebeen see if he shouldhavebeen at the G this Sat.
 
Cesoir said:
Not that long ago most were predicting he wouldn't play before the bye, now we have people on here who just want to tear him down because he's not tearing it up yet. For years we have been screaming for a quality tall forward, now we have one.
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This

He had 5 scoring shots against Essendon just over a week ago... anyone know of another bloke on the list capable of 5?

...apart from McCarthy, but he's playing 2s.... which is insane.

Maybe people on here think we're hiding Wayne Carey on the list and waiting for the right time to use him.

People jumped all over Kersten for not being defensive enough (even though he was our No2 GK in 2016), McCarthy who kicked 10 goals in 6 games this year, now they're on to Hogan... what next?

The way Freo undervalues blokes who kick goals is appalling.
 

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