kane johnson

[Shagga#6]

King crow, I am sure this has been debated a million times before, but I think Carey for Johnston is fair.

Carey is a gamle, but so is Johnston given his hamstring injuries.

On pure talent. Carey is a class above Johnstone, can win a match off his own boot, and gives the Crows what they desperately lack, a CHF who can kick goals (from outside 50) , take a contested mark, and feed off to to other less talented forwards.

Johnstone is younger than Carey, and if he says fit he will will play for longer and provide more service. Maybe not as much impact, or games won, but more service.

That's my 2 cents anyway.

 

[The Spornstar]

Originally posted by kelman

he is worth the Blues No. 2 pick, and he is better credentialed than Hamill

He's not worth our 2nd pick...not when we'd be going for Daniel Wells with it. Johnson is a gun but his injuries worry me, that's all. As for Hamill, Hamill's a different sort of player, and possibly a more useful player than Johnson (who is just another midfielder, albeit a good one). Players like Hamill are rare, and I'd have him back before I'd take Johnson (assuming I could forgive Hamill).

 

[Dogwatcher]

The rumour file on Johnson is pretty thick around Adelaide too and there may be another reason why he is leaving.
I'm not spreading the rumour, so I won't write it here, but the story is pretty thick on the ground in Adelaide.
I'm sure others here have heard the major rumour anyway.

 

[King Crow]

Originally posted by Shagga#6
King crow, I am sure this has been debated a million times before, but I think Carey for Johnston is fair.

Carey is a gamle, but so is Johnston given his hamstring injuries.

On pure talent. Carey is a class above Johnstone, can win a match off his own boot, and gives the Crows what they desperately lack, a CHF who can kick goals (from outside 50) , take a contested mark, and feed off to to other less talented forwards.

Johnstone is younger than Carey, and if he says fit he will will play for longer and provide more service. Maybe not as much impact, or games won, but more service.

That's my 2 cents anyway.

Its Johnson btw

Johnson is propably rated inside the top 20 or so midfielders in the AFL, and is only 24 years old, that alone makes him higher priced.

Then u have Carey, who hasnt played Footy for a year, is 31 years old, also has had injuries.

Kane Johnsons value should, and is alot higher than that of Wayne Careys.

 

[crazed_crow]

Originally posted by Dogwatcher
The rumour file on Johnson is pretty thick around Adelaide too and there may be another reason why he is leaving.
I'm not spreading the rumour, so I won't write it here, but the story is pretty thick on the ground in Adelaide.
I'm sure others here have heard the major rumour anyway.

now, now. You can't say that and not expand on it!

 

[Rooboy 96]

Originally posted by snakebite01


If you're talking about Kane Johnson going to North then I think he has already said he won't go and North have said they can't afford him.

we're looking at on-trading him...

 

[FIGJAM]

Originally posted by Rooboy 96
we're looking at on-trading him...

We're interested.

 

[goal_umpire]

Good luck to Kane Johnson. Who knows he could end up anywhere next year.

 

[Dogwatcher]

It's just an accusation that has been levelled at a number of players this year, but I'm just not saying because it's only a rumour and may not be true. Very hypocritical.
However, I am suggesting that if this rumour were true it may be a reason why the Crows would say sayonara.

 

[Rooboy 96]

Originally posted by FIGJAM

We're interested.

well go and get a top five pick and your in business...

 

[King Crow]

Roo Boy, there is a problem, you wont be getting Kane Johnson.


And....

You arent in touch with modern day football if you think Adelaide are going to give up twin top 10 picks for Wayne Carey

 

[Eago77]

Originally posted by MarkT

Just my opinion of what I think a fit ND would do at Collingwood if he was settled. I nkow he had a poor year but unfit and unsettled he kicked more goals in less games with less match time than most players in the AFL did in a full, fit season. IMO he is the best non key position forward in the AFL and his best position is not even forward. He is a midfielder who reads the play well, is a good mark and great kick. I am a huge rap for him. I have 2 hopes for Collingwood this off season. Keep Nick Davis and get a quality ruckman. I am prepared to let the former go to achieve the latter but if not I will be be bleeding.

I do rate Johnson highly but Collingwood have a deep midfield. He would be handy but is not what we need.

You collingwood boys have really lost the plot on this one. Johnson is far far superior to Davis (fit or otherwise), in fact Goodes is still probably better than Davis and he hasn't played anywhere near his full potential either.

Collingwoods deep midfield

 

[Eago77]

Originally posted by Shagga#6
I don't think so ok.crows

Carey to Crows
Johnson to Tigers
Pick no 4 (from Tigers)

That sounds more like a Carey trade.

Sounds almost fair to me. If i was North that (pick 4) would be the least i'd be happy with. A first round draft pick over that this year won't represent a decent trade IMO. As for NM accepting pick 14, dream on, i would think they would rather lose him for nothing than that.

If anything the Tigers would also need a bit of compensation from adelaide, perhaps a fringe player, or a third round pick.

 

[moomba]

I'd accept a number 4 pick in return for Carey
I'd love a number 4 pick plus a young kid with a bit of potential
I laugh at a number 14 pick, and will be very disappointed with my club if they are laughing alongside.

Moomba

 

[guy incognito]

Originally posted by Dogwatcher
It's just an accusation that has been levelled at a number of players this year, but I'm just not saying because it's only a rumour and may not be true. Very hypocritical.
However, I am suggesting that if this rumour were true it may be a reason why the Crows would say sayonara.

I heard his favourite actor is River Phoenix

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by Eago77
You collingwood boys have really lost the plot on this one. Johnson is far far superior to Davis (fit or otherwise), in fact Goodes is still probably better than Davis and he hasn't played anywhere near his full potential either.

Collingwoods deep midfield

I think it is more just me than Collingwood supporters in general. Far too many are waving goodbye for my liking.

My valuing of Davis is obviously based on potential. He is unquestionably in my mind a better play reader and better skilled than Johnson. He is probably the most skilled player on our list. To date Johnson has unquestionably been a more effective player. As I said, I rate Johnson and would love him at Collingwood. Davis has huge potential, is young and is the son of a former player of some note. It's not like I'm asking the world for him. I don't want anything for him. I just want to keep him.

Whether you see it or not Collingwood have a deep midfield. We have one obvious star in Buckley, arguably the games best tagger/ball getter in Licuria plus O'Bree, Burns, Lockyer and Lonnie as front line players. The next level includes the two Davis boys, Didak, Scottland, Holland and some up and comers like Adkins, Cole and McGough. There are also half a dozen others who can run in the midfield like Steinfort, Freeborne and Ben Johnston for starters. That's a deep midfield. That may not represent quality in your eyes but against the supposed best 3 midfields in the comp. I was more than happy with their collective finals efforts. When you consider we have probably the least effect ruckman in the comp. as far as getting it to the midfielders, they do a great job.

As for Goodes, if you want him, you take him. I'm not interested.

 

[PrideofSA]

Johnson should go to Richmond, coz atleast they are one of the respectible Melbourne clubs!

 

[ok.crows]

Originally posted by moomba
I'd accept a number 4 pick in return for Carey

Moomba

Unbelieveable!

After all that arguing, you actually agree?

A first round pick for Carey ... just what I said all along.

 

[moomba]

Originally posted by ok.crows
Unbelieveable!

After all that arguing, you actually agree?

A first round pick for Carey ... just what I said all along.

No I would not accept any first round pick for Carey.

Moomba

 

[Eago77]

Originally posted by MarkT

I think it is more just me than Collingwood supporters in general. Far too many are waving goodbye for my liking.

My valuing of Davis is obviously based on potential. He is unquestionably in my mind a better play reader and better skilled than Johnson. He is probably the most skilled player on our list. To date Johnson has unquestionably been a more effective player. As I said, I rate Johnson and would love him at Collingwood. Davis has huge potential, is young and is the son of a former player of some note. It's not like I'm asking the world for him. I don't want anything for him. I just want to keep him.

Whether you see it or not Collingwood have a deep midfield. We have one obvious star in Buckley, arguably the games best tagger/ball getter in Licuria plus O'Bree, Burns, Lockyer and Lonnie as front line players. The next level includes the two Davis boys, Didak, Scottland, Holland and some up and comers like Adkins, Cole and McGough. There are also half a dozen others who can run in the midfield like Steinfort, Freeborne and Ben Johnston for starters. That's a deep midfield. That may not represent quality in your eyes but against the supposed best 3 midfields in the comp. I was more than happy with their collective finals efforts. When you consider we have probably the least effect ruckman in the comp. as far as getting it to the midfielders, they do a great job.

As for Goodes, if you want him, you take him. I'm not interested.

Fair enough on the first two points, potential is a dangerous thing, for me i'd much rather a Kane Johnson than a Nick Davis but if you think otherwise good onya, i think you're wrong.

As for the depth of Collingwoods midfield, sure you throw up a lot of names but really there isn't much quality, a Kane Johnson would add that bit of quality along with the Buckleys, Licurias and O'Brees. You also do have a few good young future midfielders with the likes on Didak & McGough as for the rest of the names they are either good honest triers (Freeborn & Johnson) or are really not onballers Davis (x2), Scotland & Lonie. Not saying they didn't perform well this year just that Collingwood don't have the quality or depth of many other midfields and i think you are kidding yourself if you think that they don't need an improvement in this area. As such i think you'd be better off with Kane Johnson than Nick Davis.

As for Goodes, i wouldn't want him either but i wouldn't want DAvis for that matter but i'd take Johnson.

 

[ok.crows]

Originally posted by moomba


No I would not accept any first round pick for Carey.

Moomba

Yes I know, you said #4, which qualifies as "a first round pick".

It falls within the definition, where is the problem?

 

[moomba]

Forget it. I suspect you will never understand.

Moomba

 

[ok.crows]

Originally posted by moomba
Forget it. I suspect you will never understand.

Moomba

That is lame. You end up agreeing with what I said all along, and still it is somehow my fault?

Pathetic.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by ok.crows


That is lame. You end up agreeing with what I said all along, and still it is somehow my fault?

Pathetic.

Its not difficult to understand what he is saying.

#4 pick is distinctly better than the #14 pick.

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by Eago77
As for Goodes, i wouldn't want him either but i wouldn't want DAvis for that matter but i'd take Johnson.

Swans supporters seem to like him. Hopefully they keep him. FWIW Nick Davis is a midfielder not a forward. He is just good enough to play up forward. OP free he is a midfielder. Just on Lonnie, remember he is a second year player only. He has been into half back and used as a go to disposal specialist for much of his career to date. He is a natural winger/ruck rover which is about what I calssify Johnson as. I think Lonnie is stronger overhead. Scott Burns is among the best midfielders in the AFL too and is more under rated than the likes of Scott West IMO. In addittion he can play forward and back. He, Buckley and Licuria comprise the 3 front line midfileders responsible for much of Collingwood's success his last season. I know I have said it before but I cannot speak highly of the Scott Burns package. He was Collingwood's most valuable player in 2002 IMO.

You won't agree but I rate Collingwood's midfield 3rd behind Brisbane (clearly no1) and Adelaide. 4th would be Port and 5th Carlton. Just my opinion though. The 2nd to 5th rankings can change dramatically with a player or two injurred though. I doubt Carlton's midfield will be the 5th best this season because they won't all get on the park and some others have some promising youngsters.